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September 5, 2009

It’s A Win and Little Else

Filed under: Football,Opponent(s) — Chas @ 11:33 pm

It’s hard to take a lot away from Pitt’s 38-3 win over YSU. Pitt did what it was supposed to. They won in an ultimately lopsided way. They were never in danger against a clearly inferior team.

I’m not knocking anything. It’s just that I still don’t know what this team can or will do this season.

Dion Lewis is the starting tailback for the foreseeable future. He performed very well.

The defense was solid, but showed some lapses in concentration.

The O-line still makes me nervous. There were a couple moments where they absolutely failed against YSU.

Bill Stull does not inspire, and the fans are waiting for him to fail. He probably wasn’t as bad as it seemed. At the same time, Sunseri did not do much to convince me why he should be starting either.

The offensive playcalling was solid. Heavy emphasis on the run as expected, but the ball was spread around and definite efforts made to get the ball to Dickerson and Baldwin. Nice use of the middle of the field.

This very much had the feel of an exhibition game.





Yeah, definitely surprised to see Sunseri throw a bullet over the MIDDLE for a TD. I wonder if Wanny approves of stunts like that?

A good time was had by all. I saw Chas do a solid for some students at the tailgate who forgot to bring charcoal by grilling their non-kosher franks for them. I’m not going to insert the obvious joke about how that was not the first time that I saw Chas push meat through a hole in a fence. Not me, no sir. I’m too classy for that 🙂

Looking forward to Navy in two weeks. By then my sunburn from this game should stop hurting.

Comment by Chuck Morris 09.06.09 @ 12:22 am

A decent start for a first game.
Does anyone know if the Buffalo game is going to be televised???

Comment by beanboy 09.06.09 @ 12:24 am

I’m not sure how you can say that Sunseri didn’t convince you that he should be starting. I went to the game as well and I think his play was on par with Stull. That’s not a compliment, but when presented with two equivalent options, it makes sense to select the one with greater potential as well as future value to the team.

Comment by Chris S 09.06.09 @ 12:28 am

Televised ov ESPN Regionally and WTAE-TV

Comment by Luke 09.06.09 @ 1:03 am

Thought the articles in the Post Gazette and Tribune review were entertaining about how Bill Stull was treated. Hey its Pittsburgh, we always like the backup QB, get use to it by now. Looks like Stull played average, not great, and Tino really hasn’t given Wanny much reason to give him the job. Buffalo will be a test; just let the wins keep coming. Gotta admit that I would have loved to have been there to hear the boos and cheers at the game. Told the wife all it would take to move me back is Pitt football season tickets; sure beats watching the game via espn updates. Hail to PITT!

Comment by Heel Hater 09.06.09 @ 1:39 am

“I was really disappointed that our fans would boo our starting quarterback,” offensive tackle Jason Pinkston said. “They are supposed to be our fans and be up screaming for us. But, instead, they boo him.”

Read more: link to post-gazette.com

The people around me booed at every Stull incompletion but when Tino missed the wide open WR in the end zone, nothing was said. Tino is obviously stronger-armed and shorter than Stull.

The one plus I had from this game is that OC Cig will make a better effort to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers in open space .. as opposed to handing off to Shady and throwing the long fade to Baldwin. His offense seems to widen the field where it has to be defended from sideline to sidelne.

Comment by w Bill 09.06.09 @ 6:18 am

The following is an excerpt from the Trib’s Joe Starkey that I totally agree with:

But the most pertinent question to arise yesterday was this: What is acceptable and what is not when it comes to criticizing a college athlete?

Like Wannstedt, I thought the booing was a bit premature. But I’ll say this: Like it or not, dealing with boos and calls for the backup are part of the deal in big-time college athletics.

I don’t think it’s wrong or bad for fans to do that.

It’s the other stuff — the name-calling, the vicious message-board attacks, the insults that Stull’s family surely must hear in the stands — that is beyond uncalled-for.

It is pathetic and needs to stop.

Comment by w Bill 09.06.09 @ 6:31 am

There is an easy way for Bill Stull to shut everyone up – go out and kick some ass. But lets face it, thats not going to happen. It was probably a little much for the first game but obviously the fans are trying to get a message across – we dont want Bill Stull to be the starter. The only voice the fans have is cheering or booing – like it or not thats the way it is. I dont think any of us hate Bill Stull or wish anything bad for him – we just dont want him as our starting qb. Coaches have the media and press conferences to make their points, fans cheer and boo to make theirs.

Comment by RJ 09.06.09 @ 8:13 am

RJ – actully booing to voice an opinion is the easy and lazy way out. You certainly do have other ways to get your message across… hold your donations, don’t buy tickets, write your AD, speak to alumni groups to put forward your opinions…etc. I suppose that would take too much effort on your part though.

Instead you do what is a typical lazy thing – boo a kid who is out there trying his best. Do you honestly think that any college player is going to be able to determine that your boos are actually directed to the coaching staff for playing the kid rather to himself personally?

Comment by Reed 09.06.09 @ 8:24 am

Let’s face it.
This is the best we have and we have to live with it. This is not Stull’s fault, he is doing the best he can. It is just frustrating to see that every other team we play has a better qb than we do. Did anyone see the Stull for Heisman t-shirts? Also, Tino is short!

Comment by JP 09.06.09 @ 8:49 am

The best way to get a change is to withhold donations and not buy season tickets? Well, Pitt fans have done plenty of that and Bill Stull is still the starter.

This whole ‘don’t boo the kid’ mentality does not look at the reality that is big-time college football. The football team makes millions a year for Pitt, these kids fly around the country, these kids (many of whom would not have the financial means/aptitude) to get to college are provided a free education.

Zeise’s conclusion that it is better to boo Kordell because he is a highly paid athlete is weak. Stull probably gets about $35,000 a year from Pitt in terms of tuition, books, housing & meal stipend etc., plus academic tutoring, easy classes etc. If people who pay $25,000+ a year in tuition, or who donate thousands to Pitt want to boo, why the hell not?

Plus, it wasn’t the fans that completed one pass after mid-October last year.

Comment by JoeyD 09.06.09 @ 9:04 am

Booing is also a sure way to turn off recruits in the stands. Agreed, Stull and Sunseri did nothing to stand apart from each other, but Stull’s head right now is moving quicker and that’s why he’s in. Tino’s checkdowns are a LOT slower.

Regarding Stull’s interception – Baldwin ran an out, Stull threw a post – who’s fault was it? Based on what I’ve heard about last year, I’m guessing Baldwin.

Comment by KeyboardKev 09.06.09 @ 9:16 am

I was not impressed with the linebacking play,
especially the outside linebackers ! They seem to be caught in between not supporting the run defense and no help on the 8 to 9 yd pass plays.

Comment by Marty 09.06.09 @ 9:16 am

Booing is like shooting yourself in the foot. It is an “adult” version of a toddler’s temper tantrum. It can only can have the exact opposite result for your team to what you want for it success-wise.

The coaches are not going to sit Stull because of fans booing as long as they remain convinced he is the best option on game day to get a win. At this point in time Sunseri is not better–whether he will be someday remains problematic due, in part at least, to his height limitation which makes it hard for him to see and throw over onrushing DL. If, or when, Sunseri proves himself clearly–not marginally–the better QB he will become the starter.

The only thing booing may accomplish (other than allowing you to vent your personal frustrations) is to possibly undermine the confidence of both Stull and the rest of the team which helps Pitt’s opponents and could result in a loss or two that might otherwise not happen.

It is far better to let a QB transition happen when it does happen naturally rather than to risk making things worse for your team and aiding your opponents by booing.

Comment by pitt1972 09.06.09 @ 9:20 am

Booing is classless. I felt like I was in Philly yesterday. Pittsburgh fans are better than that (or at least I thought). This is our team and our QB, why the heck would you boo when you are winning by 20+????? Some fans are just idiots. It makes Pitt look bad in front of potential recruits….nice job.

Comment by PittinMD 09.06.09 @ 9:42 am

Blame goes to Wanny and his staff for the QBs they recruited. For all the fine players he recruited, he gets an F for the QBs.

Reed said it the best.

Comment by joel 09.06.09 @ 10:59 am

booing is fair. calling for a grass roots effort to make the point that the QB is a dud is a choder idea. good recruits will respect the boos because it means that this is a “sophisticated fanbase” with high standards.

Those unis looked great didnt they? I think they’ll factor into Pitt’s return to prominence. Will Wanny ever get a quarterback and get over his career long hump?

Comment by johnnyrocket 09.06.09 @ 11:35 am

Everybody acts like these “kids” are so vulnerable. The fact is, today’s college athletes are generally a couple yrs older than they were 25 yrs ago and most of these “kids” have been coddled since they were playing midget or Pop Warner. These “kids” enter college at 18 or 19 and leave at 22 or 23, which means they’ve been told they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread for about 10 years by the time they hit the real world, so maybe a little reality isn’t the worst thing.

With regard to Stull, when you sign up to play QB, you sign up for attention. It’s par for the course and you better have the personality to handle it or you picked the wrong position. There’s a lot of upside to that attention if you perform well and a lot of downside to that attention if you don’t.

I actually think a lot of the fans’ displeasure is really displeasure with the coaching staff’s inability to recruit talent at the most important position on the field. Stull gets the brunt of that anger right now, but that anger will transfer to Sunseri or Bostick in seconds if they play like Stull has. It’s just frustrating to look around the team and see so much talent and then look at the QB depth chart and see so many question marks.

On a lighter note, I tried to tell everybody on this board that Sunseri was short last year, but no one wanted to believe me. I still think you can play D1 QB successfully under 6 ft (so many guys have done it), but it’s certainly not a plus.

Comment by hugh green 09.06.09 @ 11:51 am

If people want to boo a certain player so what?

If Stull performs then the boo’s will turn to cheers!

Stull is a big boy he is a major division 1 starting qb if he can’t handle the pressure then he shouldn’t be there.

Sports is about performing, he is a 5th year senior, time to produce or feel the heat!

Comment by Howard 09.06.09 @ 11:58 am

“RJ – actully booing to voice an opinion is the easy and lazy way out. You certainly do have other ways to get your message across… hold your donations, don’t buy tickets, write your AD, speak to alumni groups to put forward your opinions…etc. I suppose that would take too much effort on your part though.

Instead you do what is a typical lazy thing – boo a kid who is out there trying his best. Do you honestly think that any college player is going to be able to determine that your boos are actually directed to the coaching staff for playing the kid rather to himself personally?”

Sorry all high and mighty Reed, I dont agree. I didnt buy season tickets this year. Did it matter? No, they sold the most season tickets since 2003. Go and talk to alumni groups to voice my opinion? You’re kidding right? Lets go to the Steeler fan club meetings and give our suggestions too. Write to the AD? Yeah, I’m sure he’s interested in reading my letter, if it ever would even make it to his desk. You can disagree with me Reed but no need to insult. And on a side note I wasn’t booing yesterday because I refused to drive 6 hours to go watch a scrimmage game with 1AA.

As far as turning recruits off…does anyone think there was one recruit there yesterday to see us play YSU in a less than full stadium? doubt it…

I actually feel bad for Stull but booing is a part of sports, always has been, always will be. If you are going to charge fans to see a game then thats part of the territory. When tickets and food are free then someone can tell the fans not to boo. Or we could always go with the “No Booing” policy in our stadium like the State Penn did a few years back. No thanks.

PittinMd, you thought pittsburgh fans were better than that?? Perhaps you dont remember Terry Bradshaw being booed out of the stadium, people in the stands with bradshaw life size dolls hanging by a noose…or Kordell Stewart that couldnt step foot in public? Even the beloved Bill Cowher was taking a lot of heat for the Kordell years.

Comment by RJ 09.06.09 @ 12:01 pm

Did anyone see some of the Pitt players (most noted Byham) try to raise the crowd noise with his arms when Tino came in? While people were booing stull, and cheering Tino, it was encouraged by some of the players. I do not think there is any question that some of these players want Tino at Quarterback. I didnt see anyone trying to tell the crowd to lower the boos against Stull. Something to note as time goes on. If Stull doesnt perform, it could be his own team against him, not just the fans!

Comment by Dat Dude Panther 09.06.09 @ 12:56 pm

How dare anyone criticize me and my right to boo. I went to school at Pitt for four years, and guess what, all of my tuition and expenses were paid for by myself and my family. Bill Stull is in his fifth year at Pitt and hasn’t had to pay a dime because of season ticket holders and donors like myself. Booing “a kid”? Get real. The guy is a 23 year old fifth year senior. Booing a kid would be booing a true freshman in his first career game for not getting it done. All the boos can do is hurt someone’s psyche; nobody’s threatening the guy physically. If Stull were a winner or had ability, he’d use the boos as a motivation to perform. I doubt we’ll see much of a change though.

Comment by Hollywood 09.06.09 @ 1:37 pm

Dat, you are absolutely correct. If you conduct an anonymous player poll right now, 99% would prefer Tino.

Comment by steve 09.06.09 @ 2:01 pm

Lets face it, Shady left for the NFL because of that Sun Bowl fiasco. Fortunately we have some depth at rb or so it appears. As Hollywood points out, booing a true freshman or someone in their first start or even first few games may be on the classless side but thats not whats happening here.

This whole “college kid” argument doesnt fly. At the age of 18 you can be sent of to fight and die for your country. Surely Bill Stull at 23 can handle some boos.

Comment by RJ 09.06.09 @ 2:08 pm

“How dare anyone criticize me and my right to boo. I went to school at Pitt for four years, and guess what, all of my tuition and expenses were paid for by myself and my family”

Hollywood, your post makes no sense. Stull’s scholarship is not “free”. Instead of putting in the hours that players do in training, practice and game preparations, may students pay for their schooling by devoting those hours to part time jobs. By your post, you have a right to boo one of those working students if he/she doesn’t perform at their jobs to your expectations. Stull is still a student and not a professional. Although he appears to be a good kid and works hard, he is going to carry those “booing scars” with him the rest of his life. Knowing that, if you still want to boo him, well, I guess you and I have different sets of values.

Comment by BigGuy 09.06.09 @ 2:19 pm

“Lets face it, Shady left for the NFL because of that Sun Bowl fiasco.”

RJ, you “scooped” me. Here I thought that Shady went to the NFL for financial benefits. Now I find out it was because Pitt lost a bowl game.

Comment by BigGuy 09.06.09 @ 2:24 pm

I can’t say how I feel about booing in general at the collegiate level. I will say that the booing was premature. Now I know Stull’s performance has been frustrating and lackluster to say the least, however, it is a new season. Fans need to be fair and realistic with their expectations. He made one horrible pass (the int.) but other than that wasn’t all that bad. I thought it was laughable when fans were booing him for throwing the ball in the turf on a particular series. The Bill Stull of last year would have surely taken a sack. Just goes to show you how much some of these folks know about football though.

Bottom line is we have NO talent at QB. Sunseri looked like garbage too. We need our QB to play with as much confidence as possible and minimize his mistakes and we can be competitive. Until we get some real talent at the position we’re not going to see a QB who is capable of winning games for us. Right now we just need the QB to not lose games.

Comment by TJ 09.06.09 @ 2:33 pm

Booing is an individual thing.

As for me, I may boo officials or the opposing team, but as to one of our PITT players, I don’t see it. Terry Bradshaw took it almost every game his first few years, and the crowd always wanted Terry Hanratty in the game.

Yes, Stull had a bad Sun Bowl game (and living out here in Oregon, i have heard about that game for the past 9 months…thankfully, the new season has started and I don’t have to hear about it)…but did anyone boo the Offensive Line (who A

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.06.09 @ 3:21 pm

Booing is an individual thing…some people do it, others don’t.

As for me, I would rather be positive and encouraging (think back to school—anyone like to be publicly embarassed about a bad test)…and boo the refs or the opposing team.

Stull had a bad Sun Bowl (and living in Oregon, I’ve heard about it the past 9 months, so a new season ends that chapter)…but so did the O Line (were they booed yesterday?)…and were there boos when the coaching staff came out?

Stull is the QB. That isn’t going to change.

As for me, I’d rather be positive and as Danny Murtaugh once observed after hearing boos, “We have guys who can pitch a no hitter every game, and hit a home run every at bat, unfortunately, they won’t put down their beers and come down from the stands!”

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.06.09 @ 3:28 pm

Sorry,but I just can’t get used to so called “fans” who boo their own team. I thought Philly was bad,but SOME who sit in Heinz Field are worse. If people come out to denigrate gridiron warriors they are sick. Stull, Bradshaw, Stewart have heard the wrath of Pittsburgh fandom. I will do whatever I can to encourage my team. In my opinion, those who boo any athlete from the comfort of the stands are less than worthy of attention. So “Go Stull. Go Sunseri, Go Pitt. Let us win with honor”. George from Columbus.

Comment by rev. george mehaffey 09.06.09 @ 3:34 pm

I thought booing was covered under the first amendment. In general, this whole argument and conversation is ridiculous. It is hard not to read through all the posts and just laugh at how idiotic it all is. Hopefully, Saturday will get here soon and give us all something new to talk about! A for now, I stand behind my right to boo when I want, but I have made note not to boo for anyone under the age of 18 who can’t serve our country.

Comment by Heel Hater 09.06.09 @ 4:36 pm

Boo if you want, don’t boo if you don’t want to. Who gives a crap really? I’m tired of talking about it.

Regardless of who was in at QB yesterday, we should’ve started airing it out exclusively once we were up by a few scores, just to see what we have at QB and get ready for real competition.

Instead, what did we learn? That our offensive line can push around a 1AA school’s defense and open ginourmous holes for our backs to run through. Wow, what an amazing revelation!!

We should’ve spent some of the more garbage-like time evaluating what we have in the passing game (and not just the “bubble screen passing game”) when we could afford to have hiccups.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 09.06.09 @ 4:56 pm

Here’s the issue I have with the treatment of Stull …. the booing is a direct result of the Sun Bowl fiasco, as he continues to be held up as the the sole reason for that game. But here is an excerpt from Brian’s Bennett’s (ESPN) write-up immediately after the game:

“It’s not fair to pin all the blame on quarterback Bill Stull. He was running for his life most plays, got knocked down a ton and even hurt his wrist. The biggest factor was that Pitt played without left tackle Jason Pinkston, who had a shoulder injury. Oregon State’s defensive line absolutely decimated the Pittsburgh offensive front, which had been a strength of the team most of the season. Then there was a snapping wind that made throwing long patterns difficult, if not impossible, for both teams.

Still, Stull didn’t have a strong enough arm to combat the wind. Why offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh didn’t call more short passes or over-the-middle routes is a mystery to me. The long fades to Jonathan Baldwin had no chance of working.”
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Yes, the O-line stunk on ice, Mother Nature stunk on ice, and Cav’s playcalling stunk on ice, and in fact, the plays he called exploited Stull’s weakness especially under the conditions. But, I guess it is always so much easier to blame it on the QB.

Comment by w Bill 09.06.09 @ 5:15 pm

A final note on the booing–it has to be a negative for any recruits in attendance. I doubt you would hear the boo birds getting on a player for their own team at any other Div 1 team coming off of a 9-4 season and in the process of a 38-3 opening win. Booing doesn’t translate as “high standards” to visiting recryuits–it translateas as “low-class” fair weather fans. Just keep it up boo-birds you are damaging the program you profess to love.

Comment by pitt1972 09.06.09 @ 7:15 pm

HOW MANY PLAYS WAS FIELDS IN ON?

Comment by alcofan 09.06.09 @ 7:15 pm

Let’s get one thing straight the majority of these kids are paid for there services in free tuition, health care, books, per diems, etc or approximately 35-45,000 per year, so if I want to boo them I do it with a free conscience. If these so called “student athletes” can’t take the heat then they shouldn’t have signed up for the job, and yes it is a job, one that pays better and offers better perks then the majority of americans currently enjoy in there professions.

Comment by Marco 09.06.09 @ 7:30 pm

But what I believe many of the bloggers are saying that the continuous booing speaks more about the booers than the player(s) being booed. It certainly doesn’t seem constructive (or especially supportive) in so many ways … and it will sure not do much to sway Wanny’s opinion.

Booing! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

Comment by w Bill 09.06.09 @ 7:46 pm

Look, of course people have “the right” to boo…that is not the point people. West Virginia fans have the right to not go to a dentist…I’m just saying it is classless when it is a college player and your team is UP BY 20+ POINTS! That just makes us fans look horribly uneducated….If we’re down by 20 and Stull is still in there after tossing 3 picks, then fine rain the boos down (I still wouldn’t)….and don’t think for a second that a recruit doesn’t notice…and/or especially that recruit’s parents when a team’s fans boo their starting QB who is leading them to a lopsided win. What kind of s–t is that? Again, you’re choice if you want to boo, but you certainly aren’t helping any situation and make yourself and the fan base look horrible.

RJ- Fair point on the Pittsburgh Steelers fans re: Bradshaw and Kordell. I guess I was being semi-sarcastic with my Philly comment. (although I can’t imagine the Pittsburgh fans were booing Kordell and/or Bradshaw with the team up 20+)

I know, I know…the fans who are going to try to justify it will say they were booing the Stull from the Sun Bowl and the Wanny decision to start him over Sunseri. All I can say to that is Get Over It. This is a new year, and our team won by 35.

Comment by PittinMD 09.06.09 @ 8:34 pm

Central Florida (the region of the state, not the college) Panther fans:

The Buffalo game is being televised on Brighthouse Sports Network if you have Brighthouse cable.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 09.06.09 @ 9:27 pm

BOOO, BOOO, BOOO
Just reading all this silliness made me want to booo! This is possibly one of the most absurd arguments that I have ever read. Its part of the fun of the game. I agree that these athletes are paid for their services. Part of the game is dealing with the elements, be it weather or crowd conditions, so I in no way feel bad anything. Also, just because you are loyal and supportive to your team doesn’t mean you have to like everything they do or every player they have. Its called having an opinion and that is what is great about our country having the ability to express it freely and openly. Hopefully people have enough sense of when to filter it.

Comment by Henry Hudson 09.06.09 @ 9:40 pm

all the First Amendment guarantees is that you are not arrested for expressing your verbal or written views …. everyone is still responible for what they say or write, and for that matter, everyone has the right to differ in opinion to what is said or written.

One of the problems of the internet is that since these opinions are expressed (mostly) anonymously, many bloggers do not have to take responsibility for their views.

My opinion is that the team (and players) have a better chance of playing well if they’re being supported as opposed to being criticized for every mis-step …. I know I respond much better to constructive criticism and support …. but I guess if it makes you feel better, then go ahead and boo.

Comment by w Bill 09.06.09 @ 11:03 pm

Here’s to Coach DW. I was not booing Billy Stull. I was booing you for having Billy Stull in the game. I do believe he is trying his best, but what has it gotten us? And yes, I fully beleive that no matter how bad he plays , you will stick with him. Partly becasue he has got to have something on you, and partly because you will be too aggogant and stubborn to take him out. In your eyes it would be like the fans telling you what to do and that may dent that large thing around your head we call an ego. For everyone saying this is Pittsburgh, what do you expect, they boo and thats how they are… you are missing the point. We are Pittsburgh and we have extremely high expectations for our teams. Expectations in this city that have molded championship teams and molded relationships throughtout each season amongs players /coaches and players / fans. I boo Dave Wannestadt cause I think it is a shame when the fans have higher expectations than coaches. You, Cignetti, and the rest of the staff… step it up or get the F out!

Comment by Z-boy 09.07.09 @ 12:35 am

Whoever Henry Hudson and Heel lover are, they are a fucking genious! Who the fuck cares if a player (who is getting a free education) gets booed. It lets them know that how they performed sucked. Its called constructive criticism yo! Why the fuck do we pay money to go into the stadium anyway. So we can just spend our time clapping aimlessly???

Comment by sleepless in seattle 09.07.09 @ 1:08 am

I am oblivious to the booing BECAUSE THE GAME WASN’T ON TV! How could that game not be covered at all? Isn’t the point of FSN supposed to be focusing on local niche stuff like, I dunno, hometown games? Isn’t this why there is a FSN Pittsburgh, FSN Indiana, FSN Detroit, etc etc? I don’t understand how FSN covers almost every non-ESPN/CBS game for basketball but steers away from PITT pigskin.

Couldn’t even go to a bar to watch it on deep cable. At least the UB game is on extended ESPN.

HTscriptP

P.S. RJ is absolutely correct about McCoy leaving because of the Sun Bowl fiasco. Let’s face it, everyone in his ear said the same thing, ‘what is PITT possibly going to do for you next year?’ The writing was on the wall for him. I believe in his heart he wanted to stay another year, but there was no way Stull was going to give him a shot at competing for anything that would raise his draft status and he knew the right decision was to go pro.

Comment by Cool Hand Nuke 09.07.09 @ 2:17 am

Lots of good viewpoints on this here – but my point, at least one I tried to make, was that the fans are deluding themselves if they think they were booing Bill Stull for poor performance in that game – here’s how that shook out yesterday.

PITT gets the ball for it’s first offensive series. Lewis gets four yards. Stull then completes a pass for a first down. Stull then has two incompletions and the boos start raining down… at about the 11:00 minute mark in the first quarter!

He wasn’t being booed for what just transpired – those fans were sitting in wait to boo him at the first opportunity just because he’s Bill Stull. QBs in every single game played across the country have two incompletions in a row and don’t get booed like that.

I sat next to four men who in pre-game conversation basically told me they hated Stull and didn’t want to see him play at all. Yet when those boos started even they were upset and embarrassed by it. Maybe its an age thing where us older guys realize that the kid’s out there trying his best and we give him credit for that.

But really – the bottom line is that booing won’t make a damn bit of difference to Dave Wannstedt at all – he’ll play who he wants to when he wants to. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see a change of QBs somewhere down the road – and if it happens it’ll be because DW thinks it’s the right thing to do based on what he sees in the two kids – not what the fans think.

To the poster who said “good recruits will respect the boos because it means that this is a “sophisticated fanbase” with high standards.” I hope you are joking about this…

Comment by Reed 09.07.09 @ 5:48 am

Reed, I couldn’t agree more with your last paragraph.

Since many bloggers here seem to think that booing is expressing their opinions, and they have the right to do so …. let me offer my opinion of what I really do think of those who boo:

It doesn’t make you look cute; certainly doesn’t make you look sophicticated; and doesn’t make you more passionate or knowledgeable …. IMO it makes you look like a bunch of TOTAL FREAKING MORONS … especially when it is coming from adults(?)

Comment by w Bill 09.07.09 @ 8:19 am

Last note on booing subject. People will boo their own team and players if that’s what they want to do–no one is going to remove them from a game for doing so. It is just disappointing that there are those who feel the need to do so and for some strange reason feel that their booing has, or will have, a positive effect on making their team better either now or in the future. The reality is that the only effect it has is to allow the boo-ers to have a release their personal frustrations. It can only have a negative effect, to a greater or lesser degree, on the players and the program. It’s a shame more don’t recognize that fact and restrain themselves VOLUNTARILY for the greater good.

Comment by pitt 09.07.09 @ 8:28 am

yea pitt …. these ‘sophisticated’ fans surprisingly can’t figure out that booing your own team:

1) causes undue additional stress for its own players to perform better,
2) causes a negative image on their own university,
3) will not force a change in strategy … Wanny and Cignetti have coached for a very long time, are thick-skined, and will stick to their agenda …. they have no reason not to want to succeed and will do what they feel provides Pitt with the best chance of succeeding

Comment by w Bill 09.07.09 @ 8:50 am

Just two thoughts:

1) As a teacher and coach who has accompanied recruits to college games, including Pitt, I would never recommend a school based on booing as a sophisticated fan base. High schoolers are loking for energy – positive and exciting energy. That was a very negative crowd in 38-3 win. Our basketball recruits praise their experience at our games because of the Oakland Zoo crowd – even when we lose.

2) Someone wrote they wouldn’t travel to this game because of its “exhibition” status against YSU. This is partially why Pitt’s next step is such a struggle. We don’t sell out regardless of opponent. Don’t kid ourselves, lots of ND or WVU fans are counted on to sell out those games. Our fans don’t travel well for Bowl games regardless of where or what they are… Schools like Ohio State put 80,000 in the stadium for their SPRING GAME. We don’t show up and then boo when we win opening day??? I drov six hours for this game and loved the gameday experience. It’s a lot better than a few years ago. I grumble and cuss all I want when I watch us on tv, but at the game it’s time to do your part as part of the team.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 09.07.09 @ 10:38 am

How many who boo’d have ever actually played football? Probably are the same people I see riding the carts at the wal-mart cause they are too fat.

How do you figure Stull is getting a “free” education. With all the time these guys spend at practice and at the gym, it’s probably equivalent to a minimum wage job.

Comment by Jon C 09.07.09 @ 10:39 am

Boos are only given when the fans have no other voice. Wanny refuses to adapt to the college game, so boos force him to adapt to his paying fans. Boos are one reason Cav is not here this year anymore. Boos are one reason Stull will not be permitted to take us backwards in the name of conservative coaching.

Everyone thinks Sunseri must be the starter, but logic tells me we all agreed Bostic was the better starter by the end of last year and suddenly we are using Sunseri and the freshman excuse to keep Stull on the field.

Any fans of any program would boo for this option. Holding back donations only hurts the program. It’s all about winning and a few boos should help get the loser off the field.

Comment by Pittisforreal 09.07.09 @ 11:47 am

Lastly guys…

In a world in which OSU’s Pittsburgh born quarterback puts “Vick” accross his eyebrows as a tribute to a dog killing and drug taking convicted fellon… One would have to realize that recruits and fans care about winning and winning only. KIds and parents are not going to pick a school based on the frequency that the fans boo the quarterback. Recruits are going to pick a school that wins and wins often. If the fans need to boo an athlete who is in the way of a winning program, so be it. Please spare me the fake outrage. I’m sure many of you have done far worse.

Comment by Pittisforreal 09.07.09 @ 11:57 am

I find Pittisforreal to be very unreal. Do you honestly think that the booing will have a significant effect on Wanny? Especially when the booing began in the very 1st series of a new season?????

Wanny (and Cig for that matter) have coached for a very long time and they have heard all of the boos many times. They will make choices based on their knowledge and experience, and will adhere to their strict agenda for success. If Stull is replaced, I guarantee you it will be because they think Tino will provide a better alternative … and not because of the booing. In fact, if this does happen, Tino may feel the added pressure to live up the expectations of the fans who have been booing.

You want to help the team, provide positive reinforcement.

Comment by w Bill 09.07.09 @ 12:57 pm

Geez, glad I was away from this thread!

So, when are we having the first annual Pitt Blather Tailgate?

Comment by Pauly P 09.07.09 @ 2:28 pm

Pittisforreal, I have to disagree. Bostick sucked last year, Shady and the defense won the ND game.

I actually thought, at least until the concussion, that Stull was way better than anything we’d seen out of Bostick. And even after the concussion, he proved that he could hand off to Shady in order to beat WVU just as well as Pat did the year before.

In the NFL, running the ball and playing defense can win most games. In the NFL, the best defenses can shut down the best offenses. College football just doesn’t work like that. Good defenses are nice, but you have to be able to put up points.

We can’t put up points with Stull.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 09.07.09 @ 2:33 pm

Pauly P, I have already submitted an application for the position of Director of Snackages for this year’s Pitt Blather Tailgate.

Comment by Panthoor 09.07.09 @ 2:45 pm

Cool, Panthoor. I would be willing to be CMO (Chief Meat Officer) for the festivities (including the grill). I’m in Lot 2 Red; sound good for a starting point? Who’s down for Navy?

Comment by Pauly P 09.07.09 @ 2:55 pm

“I grumble and cuss all I want when I watch us on tv, but at the game it’s time to do your part as part of the team.”

Great post, Bowling Green

Comment by BigGuy 09.07.09 @ 3:35 pm

This from Smiziks Blog on the subject of this string:

“Now the Penn State fans really have some ammunition. What kind of football program has fans who boo the starting quarterback in the first quarter of the first game of the season? After a nine-win season?

You can be sure that this will be used against Pitt in recruiting. Prominent quarterbacks Pitt might be recruiting will hear about this. They’ll hear how Pitt fans treat starting quarterbacks from nine-win teams.”

Of course, Smizik is just stirring the pot and he knows it. The dictionary defines “fan” as an ardent supporter. I think that is what I’m seeing from all of these posts is that Pitt has a passionate fan base. The same passion that motivates me to say that as an alumnus of the University of Pittsburgh, I will never boo our team at Heinz Field (or any other field), is the passion that motivates those who rain down the boo’s to do so. I think that its pretty obvious from some of the comments made by the players after the game that those boos were less than motivating….On another subject, the myth of Shady leaving because of the bowl game just will not go away…I’m going to start calling you people the “bowlers”, like those who think our President is not a US Citizen are called the “birthers”. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, you keep repeating the same false story. Shady himself has had nothing but good things to say about Pitt. Since he has left, he has said nothing but positive things to potential recruits from this area. And of course, to listen to the “bowlers”, there is no way Shady could have accomplihed what Dion Lewis did against YSU, right? Now let’s talk about what he did accomplish in his two years at Pitt…Simply put, he was the most productive running back in all of college football over that two year period in terms of yards plus points scored. In fact, he scored more touchdowns during his FR and Soph years combined, than any RB in the entire history of college football has as FR and Soph…Tell me again how he left because this offense did nothing for him! His decision to leave was obviously difficult for him (go read the articles from those days). He had a very serious injury in HS. It scared him, he wanted security for his familiy and himself. He took the sure bet and went pro. I can’t agrue with that. Frankly, seeing what happened to Okl’s Sam Bradford in his first game this year is making Shady’s decision a look a lot smarter.

Comment by HbgFrank 09.07.09 @ 3:50 pm

Another comment before this thread ends. Did you ever sit next to a person at a sporting event who “booed”. If so, what were your thoughts?

“Gee, this guy has a lot of class” or, perhaps,
“Gee, this guy is acting like he is a jerk”

His wife? “Atta boy. Hey everone, this is my husband. I’m proud of him!” or, perhaps,
“Hey, tone it down. You’re embarassing me and you’re not setting a good example for our children.”

Comment by BigGuy 09.07.09 @ 3:52 pm

couple of comments to recent posts:

1. if you are Paul Jones and are considering Pitt and other schools as reported (not sure if he is), how do you think the booing will affect his decision making? My guess is that it certainly doesn’t help …. and I don’t buy the sophisticated fan argument one bit, but in fact consider it to be one of the most inane arguments I’ve ever read on this site

2) when I see adults booing and shouting insults, I am actually embarassed for them.

I don’t necessarily think Stull is the answer, but I will be damned if I ever boo a player, college or pro, who is giving his best effort … and really wonder if those who do boo actually ever participated in sports. They remind me way too much of the parent who lives vicariously through his child, and berates him for his failures.

Comment by w Bill 09.07.09 @ 5:11 pm

right on w Bill….right on
And whoever said its the equivalent of a child’s temper tantrum is exactly right as well. It does have the exact opposite effect that is intended. Fans want better, so they boo. This never changes a coaches mind, and if it does you need to worry that your coach is listening to the crowd too much. It doesn’t spur the team to play better, only puts failure into their mind. Lastly, the recruiting effect can in absolutely no way be positive. In other words, its absolutely idiotic and does nothing but harm. I’m not saying fans can want and expect more from a team, simply saying that it does absolutely nothing when they address this by booing.

Comment by Yinzer 09.07.09 @ 9:22 pm

Give me a break fellow pather fans. People were booing the coaches and in this case, the coaches were so small, they put it all back on the players. Most people knew the booing was about picking the wrong starter. Nobody cares Stull the person. They were not booing him.

And like I said… OSU cheats, pays its players, and it’s players sport Michael Vick on their faces. Tell me now how parents and kids pick schools based on the chants of the fans? They picks schools that win, they fill stadiums of the most winning teams, and they look at who can help their pro careers the most.

Comment by Pittisforreal 09.07.09 @ 10:13 pm

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