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October 12, 2016

Position Switching and Redshirts

Filed under: Football,Players — Chas @ 9:51 am

Focus of today. Primarily some pieces on tackles and the secondary.

Stories today looked at the position changes for Brian O’Neill and Shakir Soto. In no small part owing to their game against Georgia Tech. Both have been thriving all season, but they really shined this past weekend.

Shakir Soto was recruited, and last year started, as a defensive end. The outcome wasn’t great. There was little choice, because the depth on the defense last year left little behind him. So, even as Ejuan Price surged back that season, Soto was frustrating to watch. Not fast enough, and unable to really bring pressure from his side that the defense needed.

With the graduation of K.K. Mosley-Smith, Pitt needed more help inside with Tyrique Jarrett and Soto became the guy.

The result — along with a lot of work on the field and in the weight room — has been a booming transformation from defensive end to defensive tackle.

Soto, who gained 40-plus pounds for the role change, finished Saturday’s win against Georgia Tech with a game-high 7.5 tackles, including two for loss.

“He’s been special inside, and he’s been good all year to be honest with you,” coach Pat Narduzzi said. “It was one of the great moves of the offseason. I don’t know if he knew it, but we knew it.”

Soto’s position coach expects his pupil will continue to thrive as the Panthers (4-2, 1-1 ACC) travel to Virginia (2-3, 1-0 ACC) this weekend looking for another win.

“Since I’ve had him, that’s the best performance we’ve had and we expect him to build on it this week,” said Tom Sims, Pitt’s defensive line coach.

The coaching staff approached Soto after the Military Bowl last year about the possibility of becoming an interior lineman, after spending the first three years of his Pitt career at defensive end.

“He embraced it. He wants us to have success and we felt moving him down in there would give us a better opportunity,” Sims said. “He’s trying to grow with it, and learn, push himself. He’s done a good job, and I think we’re seeing improvement from him.”

Soto said his biggest concern was gaining weight while keeping his athleticism. He went from 245 pounds to 275 last spring, then hit a high of 290 this summer.

The 2015 media guide listed Soto at 270 pounds, so just like with recruiting sites, I kind of take the weight stuff at limited value. Clearly he added weight, but the amount is debatable.

That’s not as relevant as how the change in position has worked out. Where he was just a touch too slow on the outside, he is showing great speed and movement on the inside of the line. Creating pressure up front with Jarrett.

Soto was a 3-star recruit from a small school out in Wilkes-Barre who was one of the first commits in 2013. He got some late interest from PSU and Rutgers, but enrolled early at Pitt. He wants to be here. He’s one of those kids that you want to see succeed.

As for O’Neill, the way he talks it sounds more like finding himself.

O’Neill said he grew up thinking for many years he was a wide receiver or tight end. In the end, his move to offensive tackle two years ago was more than an alteration of the depth chart.

“We know what I am now,” he said, his voice filled with the pride of someone who found his football identity. “It’s a kind of change in lifestyle in terms of having that mentality that every day is going to be a grind.”

Both players said they embraced the change because it is what the team wanted and needed. Coach Pat Narduzzi mentioned to O’Neill, a redshirt sophomore, that it might be his best ticket to the NFL.

O’Neill was brought in as tight end, but immediately seemed to be more of a blocking tight end for Paul Chryst with a 6-6 frame and weighing (per 2014 media guide) 245 pounds. His bulking up has not been as difficult. I think the only one surprised at his move from TE to tackle is O’Neill. The blossoming in the position to being a legitimate NFL prospect as a redshirt sophomore is the surprising part.

O’Neill also earned ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week (it’s a real thing), though that may have had as much to do with his touchdown. The Pitt O-line is on the mid-season honor roll of top offensive lines in the country.

Averaging more than 244 yards per game rushing, the resurgent Panthers O-line unit is opening holes for the rushing game, as their RBs are gaining an average of 2.9 yards before contact. Pitt leads the ACC with the fewest sacks allowed (4) and their QB is only pressured on just over 13% of drop backs. Senior tackle Brian O-Neill is this week’s ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week, as he led a unit that produced 407 yards of offense and scored the game’s first points when he ran 24 yards for a touchdown after catching a lateral pass.

Moving on to redshirts. We’ve already seen the wide receivers losing redshirts — and taking advantage of it. Along with running back Chawntez Moss. It seems increasingly clear that the defensive side of the ball is going to need to do something with the secondary.

Freshmen defensive backs Damar Hamlin and Therran Coleman made their career debuts on Pitt’s depth chart Monday. Hamlin was listed third at one cornerback position, behind Avonte Maddox and Dane Jackson; Coleman was third at the opposite cornerback spot, behind Ryan Lewis and Phillipie Motley.

Both were highly rated coming out of high schools with Hamlin from Central Catholic and Coleman from Brashear. Their potential has caused some to wonder whether the plan to redshirt them will be scrapped six games into the season in order to help heal an ailing secondary.

Narduzzi said, more than anything, the move was made as a result of their impressive play of late.

“Damar and Therran, for really the past three weeks, have been battling back and forth,” he said. “We’ve traveled with both of them I think the past two or three weeks. They’re just getting closer. They’re freshmen, and we’ll see how much closer they are.”

Both Hamlin and Therran are at least 6-0. When your defensive scheme requires the corners to regularly by one-on-one, they need to have some size. Both have that, and it seems to have reached a point where they have to be put out there. Even though, it is clear the coaches really, really wanted to redshirt them.

I really don’t mind burning the redshirts. Not simply because the fact that Pitt is 126 out of 128 in the FBS in defending pass plays of 40 or more yards. So either the D-line has to get to the QB even faster, or the DBs have to defend better. I think a player like Hamlin, who has NFL potential, being redshirted doesn’t do much. If he turns pro early, it means he could leave as a redshirt sophomore rather than a junior. Which serves the program more?

Extra: A nice piece on Ejuan Price and his big season.

A week into the season, Price’s partner at the opposite end of Pitt’s line, Dewayne Hendrix, went down with an injury. Price already was getting more attention from opposing coaches, and now he’d see more double-teams.

But that problem, like all the others, has been solved easily enough. Play each play like it might be the last. Go hard, and see what happens. And the funny thing is, eventually, it all works out.

“It took me a while to realize I was 100 percent and could have fun again,” Price said. “I’m glad I’m here at this point. You couldn’t see it at the time, but I’m ecstatic to be here right now.”

 





The thing I was looking forward to the most this season was the team of Price – Hendrix. The best cure for a weak secondary is a great pass rush.

Comment by wbb 10.12.16 @ 10:38 am

Chas… you make a good point about Redshirts.

Way too much is made over BURNING them.

Comment by PittofDreams 10.12.16 @ 11:54 am

As for the Secondary, there might be GOOD reason why Hamlin and Coleman have not seen the Field… besides Hamlin’s injury whatever it is.

To me, Dane Jackson looked pretty GOOD in replacing Maddox.

Just like Hamlin and Coleman, Jackson is also 6-0 or Better.

He looked Cool and Calm after being pressed into action.

Should not be a total surprise since the Coaches have been RAVING about him since the start of Camp.

Comment by PittofDreams 10.12.16 @ 12:56 pm

PITT doesn’t have the luxury to Redshirt folks, play the best players, build a strong program and eventually you can redshirt some kids.

Comment by Pittastic 10.12.16 @ 1:00 pm

I don’t mind freshmen playing if they are worthy, but burning redshirts foolishly is stupid.

We have 10 redshirt seniors on this team and we would most certainly be in trouble without them.

Only four true seniors, Orndoff, Johnson, Galambos and Soto.

They didn’t distinguish themselves as freshman and I wish they were coming back next year except possibly Galambos. Wirginis is a true junior, sure would be nice for him and for us if he had two years left.

We are half way through the season, unless there is absolute need or the guy is an immediate impact player, I would rather have him around in year five.

Comment by gc 10.12.16 @ 1:31 pm

Especially linemen, it takes them longer to mature physically and to learn technique. Really a shame to lose Watt for a year. Different if he won a starting position from day 1, but a few minutes in a few games is a waste.

Comment by gc 10.12.16 @ 1:34 pm

Dane Jackson looked just like Maddox…not turning his head and getting a PI. I’m not sold…

Comment by Joe 10.12.16 @ 1:51 pm

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Optimally best to redshirt all freshman. Realistically freshman
should play now if they can help win games; and stay in the hunt for the coastal championship.

Comment by JR 10.12.16 @ 4:07 pm

It is obvious this team needs to be bigger, faster, more depth etc. That happens by recruiting better. Pitt is only going to recruit better by winning. If one or both of Hamlin and Coleman make you a better team you burn the redshirt(s). You win it is much more likely you get more 4 star DB’s down the line that ideally you can redshirt if you wish.

Oh yeah and there is this 5 star DB out of Clairton named Lamont Wade, ( you may have heard of him). You are much more likely to land him with 8 or 9 wins, than you are with 6 or 7.

Comment by Pap76 10.12.16 @ 5:53 pm

CB is a real tough position to play for a freshman coming in.

First they have to be physical enough to play it at the D1 P5 level.

Then they have to be confident enough to be able to play it at the D1 P5 level. Cause you’re going to beat, and you’re going to look bad on some plays. And if you don’t have that extreme confidence which comes with age and lots of practice, you can lose that edge or never even develop it.

Indecision at CB, which comes from lack of confidence and experience, can cause you to hesitate, just that fraction of a second, where that WR is past you.

So I can see where the Nard Dog is reluctant to throw these kids in there, if they’re not ready.

Big difference playing against less than speedy kids in HS, than against former HS All-Star speedy WR’s every week. And these gunslinger QB’s who can throw the ball all over the field.

Comment by Emel 10.12.16 @ 5:57 pm

Hamlin likely would have likely been “in there” if it weren’t for whatever MYSTERIOUS injury he has suffered.

But at this point, my money is on Dane Jackson.

Saw him CLOSE UP against Georgia Tech. Has a bit of a PRESENCE.

Comment by PittofDreams 10.12.16 @ 8:03 pm

Hamlin has a sports Hernia, not that mysterious.

I like Jackson too, He deserves his shot. Has the size, speed, and athleticism just lacks experience.

Comment by gc 10.12.16 @ 9:15 pm

Redshirts? Burn baby, burn! These guys are talented and should be utilized if the need is there. Our goal is to win as many games as possible now. Not next year.

H2P

Comment by panther94 10.12.16 @ 9:54 pm

Regie Mitchell- he played many games in 2014 at corner and was effective. Don’t forget him. Also, I agree that Pitt should play the best players- if the freshman are ready and they are the most talented-play them. Pitt needs playmakers in the secondary vs the pass

H2P

Comment by joec 10.12.16 @ 11:57 pm

gc… What sport?

Comment by PittofDreams 10.13.16 @ 4:35 am

They really need to get over the red shirting idea. We are not Alabama or Florida State where we have so much depth that we can save alll of these red shirts. We need our most talented players on the field as soon as they are ready or whenever they are forced to be ready. Put them out there and let’s see what they got.

Comment by Coach Ditka 10.13.16 @ 6:37 am

The panthers are dabbling in a process that Miami did so successfully over 20 years ago. When you take a kid with speed and talent, build him up a little and play him in a position closer to the line of scrimmage, amazing things happen. Just look at O’neill and Soto. I think moving Whitehead closer to the line of scrimmage letting him blitz and pressure the QB could do more to help our pass defense than he is doing back there now. The coaches must find a system to fit the best coverage people they have regardless of redshirt situations. What we know is the current players and system are producing the worst pass defense in college football.

Comment by scriptrules 10.13.16 @ 6:44 am

scriptrules – I like your thinking. Why not slid JW into Odawu’s spot with Mitchell playing well? Bam or Brightwell likely to play for the injured Caprara. Instant speed upgrade at the outside LB spots – time to dial up the blitz packages to help our DB’s in pass coverage.

Comment by Erie Express 10.13.16 @ 8:18 am

A sports hernia is a painful, soft tissue injury that occurs in the groin area. It most often occurs during sports that require sudden changes of direction or intense twisting movements. Although a sports hernia may lead to a traditional, abdominal hernia, it is a different injury.

Comment by gc 10.13.16 @ 8:58 am

We’re not quite the worst anymore on Pass Defense.

We moved up to #121, from #127 (of 128).

We need so more rushing teams on the schedule.
Maybe, perhaps, certainly.

Comment by Emel 10.13.16 @ 10:44 am

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