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April 16, 2011

High Octane, Blue-Gold Open Thread

Filed under: Football,Practice — Chas @ 8:01 am

One of these years the Blue-Gold game will take place, and it will be a warm, sunny April day. This won’t be that year.

Miserable, wet, windy. Can’t wait.

If you are heading over early, Reed and I will be having a few at the Tilted Kilt near Heinz Field. Never been there before. Guess it’s some Scottish theme? Come on by and say hello.

Chris Peak from PantherLair has a good piece on what he’s looking to see at the scrimmage.

I’ll be tweeting all day — or until the battery on my phone dies — so if you can follow here.





This is just the game that goes on every year like clockwork.

“Pitt’s starting QB sucks, but backup QB is the best ever! Why won’t stupid coach bench the starter and play the backup? We won’t even win 5 games this year with at QB!”

Comment by maguro 04.17.11 @ 1:01 pm

Amen maguro

Comment by CompLit 04.17.11 @ 1:28 pm

on a roundball note, Khem Birch played 16 min in the Jordan Classic and scored 15 pts, had 7 RB and blocked 5 shots. Against the best in the nation. And of course, as a future Panther, missed 3 out of 4 FT. Sweet things ahead with this kid.

Comment by Bossdaws 04.17.11 @ 1:51 pm

Would be interested in your impression of the Tilted Kilt? I went there for lunch last week. There’s no way in hell I would have left that place to go see the BLUE/GOLD game in that weather (maybe any weather). Just sayin’.

Comment by boubacar aw 04.17.11 @ 1:52 pm

@wbb
“If there was ‘hometown’ favoritism in the Getzky-Palko derby as claimed above, then the starting QB should have been awarded to Pittsburgh resident Getzky and not Palko, a resident of Imperial (a suburb). ”

You’re either very naive or someone who agrees with this kind of garbage. Palko’s father was the Head Football Coach at West Allegheny, and thus a member of the coaching fraternity. Getsy’s father was not. What don’t you understand about that. Throw in the fact Pitt was also recruiting 5 star stud Dorin Dickerson also from West Allegheny during this time period.
Finally Getsy was from Munhall, which is about as much as part of Pittsburgh as Imperial is.

“Also remember, A Morelli also reneged on his verbal comittment to Pitt for ‘The University of Penn State’ in part because he thought Palko’s dad who was coaching the East in the US Army all-star game prevented him from being selected, which was later termed by the chief talent scout responsible for picking the squadto be ‘ludicrous.’”

If this was true, are you that naive to believe that the Chief Talent scout of the game WOULD ADMIT TO IT. You must also believe Obama when he told us we were in Libya for humanitarian reasons.
That’s about the silliest thing I’ve heard lately.

“I find the fact that any Pitt head coach would start a QB who would not give the team the best chance of success (except for maybe disciplinary reasons) to be incomprehensible. There is too much at stake for HC.”

Yeah Wannstedt found that out didn’t he. Perhaps you should read the story of Ben Roethlisberger in high school in Findley, Ohio and why he if he was 1 year older would have never even became a QB because of who was being played at QB instead of him Or perhaps check out the Colorado Coach who was recently fired, Dan Hawkins who continually played his son at QB which led to a 19-39 record and his firing. Incomprehensible, too much at stake…… right!

Better to believe in plausible conspiracies than Magic Bullets.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 2:24 pm

“Yeah, he turned into a pretty good QB, but claiming that he was treated unfairly vis a vis Palko is pure hogwash.”

Yeah Flacco turned out pretty good, he was a 1rst round draft pick, 18th pick and became the 1rst NFL rookie QB to win two playoff games in his very first season.

Pitt has never had a QB taken that high in the draft even Marino was not picked until the 27th pick of the draft.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 2:38 pm

This one was a hoot as well

“For everyone making a big deal about Tino starting, just relax. Graham hasn’t even released a depth chart or publicly stated that he was going with Tino. That being said, some of you are being selfish by not renewing tickets just because you don’t like Tino as QB. Yea, he’s not the best, but he has the most experience in games. Each QB was given a equal chance to gain the starting job with this new offense and Tino has the upper hand.”
Comment by Greg 04.16.11 @ 8:08 pm

What people are a little upset with is that EACH QB WAS NOT GIVEN AN EQUAL CHANCE TO GAIN THE STARTING JOB WITH THE NEW OFFENSE. NEITHER MYERS NOR GONZALEZ TOOK A SINGLE SOLITARY SNAP WITH THE FIRST TEAM OFFENSE. SO OF COURSE TINO HAS THE UPPER HAND. Of course you perform better when you have better players (1rst team) around you. Dah.

And this: “Yea, he’s not the best, but he has the most experience in games.”

Based on that logic Bostick should have been the starter last year. I don’t remember you on here last year pushing for Bostick to get playing time let alone be the starter.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 2:44 pm

OK, melvinbennett, what the hell agenda would Todd Grahana, as an outsider, have for playing Tino over Myers or Gonzalez.

And please don’t insult my intelligence by the ‘legacy’ argument as I posted earlier .. if Sal Sunser has that much damn influence, then why wasn’t he hired since it is public knowledge that he was interviewed for it.

Comment by wbb 04.17.11 @ 3:06 pm

With a solid showing at the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine, Flacco solidified himself as a top five quarterback in the 2008 NFL Draft. Most experts agreed that he would be off the board before the end of the second round.[7] Flacco also won the long distance throw competition in ESPN’s State Farm College Football All-Star Challenge with a 74 yard throw.[8] He beat out Matt Ryan, Colt Brennan, Chad Henne, and John David Booty, then won the Taco Bell Quarterback Scramble with a time of 15.72 seconds.[citation needed] In addition, he scored a 27 on the Wonderlic exam.

This kid had a cannon, could scramble and was very intelligent and is 6’6″ tall. Yet he couldn’t get on the field at Pitt, which was barely at .500 the years he would have played here, if he had stayed.
Better yet, supposed(actually they had been) pro coaches at Pitt (guys who are supposed to know talent) saw this talent and kept it on the bench. So the logical question would be…why? The only conclusion one can come to is, he wasn’t given a fair chance to win the position. And this stuff happens all the time, in fact it’s happening right now, right in front of our faces.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 3:14 pm

and Colorado coach Hawkins got fired, didn’t he? The fact is that with the million dollar salaries that college head coaches make, they stand to lose the most when the team is not winning .. or in Wanny’s case, not winning enough. I assure they have more at stake than anyone else.

Comment by wbb 04.17.11 @ 3:15 pm

@wbb

It’s very simple. TG is part of the coaching fraternity, Sal Sunseri is part of the coaching fraternity. They take care of their own.

There it is.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 3:17 pm

The problem at Pitt when Palko played wasn’t the offense but the defense … I believe Pitt was the highest scoring team in the BE when Palko was a senior (even wit Cav as OC)

Comment by wbb 04.17.11 @ 3:17 pm

Offhand I just remember getting pummeled by WVU the last 2 Palko years and them losing the last 5 games in a row his senior year.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 3:32 pm

“It’s very simple. TG is part of the coaching fraternity, Sal Sunseri is part of the coaching fraternity. They take care of their own.”

That’s why they will tell anything about another coach or his program to a recruit in order to convince them to join their own program.

Brendan Carroll was a backup tight end for Walt
Harris …. why didn’t he start?

MB< That statement you had above is total nonsense and you know it … coaches are some of the most competitive people on earth.

Comment by wbb 04.17.11 @ 3:34 pm

In Palko’s last 3 games, Pitt scored 45, 24 and 27 … trouble is that the defense gave up in the 40s all 3 games

Comment by wbb 04.17.11 @ 3:38 pm

Wannstedt’s teams were littered with ex-players sons, coach’s sons and the like. I still can see Oderick Turner (Odessa Turner’s (of NY Giants) son), dropping a beautifully thrown long TD pass from Kevan Smith up at Michigan State. Had he caught it, well who knows.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 3:41 pm

Perhaps Brendan Carroll was lucky to have been just on the team. And that was what Harris did for daddy Pete Carroll. As I don’t remember him doing anything significant before Pitt, during Pitt or after Pitt.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 3:47 pm

There are guys that are just groomed to carry clipboards and there are guys who are groomed to play if they have any talent whatsoever. No talent at all, they become coaches. Obviously Brendan Carroll fell into the latter category. As soon as he left Pitt, daddy hired him to coach at USC.

I’m really shocked I have to explain how this process works among fraternity professions. And that’s what coaching is.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 3:53 pm

melvinbennett–It is certainly possible for a coach to make a mistake in evaluating QBs or players at other positions and therefore fail to start the player that gives them the best chance to win. But no rational major college FB coach (with his position and big $$s on the line) ever does so deliberately!

Your insistence otherwise, has convinced me that you must be paranoid as regards Pitt football. You seem to have deluded yourself into believing highly unlikely conspiracy theories for which there is no objective evidence.

Comment by pitt1972 04.17.11 @ 4:19 pm

pitt1972

“But no rational major college FB coach (with his position and big $$s on the line) ever does so deliberately!”

Unless you know something I don’t, how do you know if it isn’t done deliberately. And who’s to say if they’re all rational. Did Wanny appear rational to you all the time since he was named Pitt football coach? Because to the vast majority on this board, it didn’t appear he did.
Did Woody Hayes appear rational when he slugged a Clemson player during a sideline play in the Gator Bowl? Do college coaches act rational when they allow all kinds of recruiting violations to occur(and risk they’re position & big $$$$ as you say) in an attempt to field a winning team? (see Calipari where ever he goes)

Even here at Pitt, we had a coach do some real irrational things which caused him to lose his position and that big $$$$ you mention, or have you no clue or don’t won’t to hone up to Mike Gottfried.

So please give me a break, you’re not talking with some 20 something or 30 something kid here.
I’m not the deluded one.

Comment by melvinbennett 04.17.11 @ 4:53 pm

Sunseri is the best we have. Get the over it. It takes more than a cannon arm to play quarterback (Tom Brady>Drew Henson).

Comment by Tony C 04.17.11 @ 7:13 pm

Tony, there are some sad excuses for fans ,no facts just whinning .There will be another QB coming , but until then Tino [not Tinny] will be the leader he was meant to be. I m with you.

Comment by paul shannon 04.17.11 @ 8:29 pm

melvinbennett–I know your not a 20 year old kid and neither am I. Your entitled to believe whatever you like no matter how illogical it may seem to others. Peace.

Comment by pitt1972 04.17.11 @ 10:30 pm

melvinbennett – I don’t think you are 100% right in this situation, (about 85% right) BUT I agree with you on a couple points you made with QB situations at Pitt (100%) and I thought Palko was an average skill Qb at Pitt and made up for his shortcomings with HEART, MIND, and GUTS:

1) What people are a little upset with is that EACH QB WAS NOT GIVEN AN EQUAL CHANCE TO GAIN THE STARTING JOB WITH THE NEW OFFENSE. NEITHER MYERS NOR GONZALEZ TOOK A SINGLE SOLITARY SNAP WITH THE FIRST TEAM OFFENSE. SO OF COURSE TINO HAS THE UPPER HAND. Of course you perform better when you have better players (1rst team) around you. Dah.

2) With a solid showing at the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine, Flacco solidified himself as a top five quarterback in the 2008 NFL Draft. Most experts agreed that he would be off the board before the end of the second round.[7] Flacco also won the long distance throw competition in ESPN’s State Farm College Football All-Star Challenge with a 74 yard throw.[8] He beat out Matt Ryan, Colt Brennan, Chad Henne, and John David Booty, then won the Taco Bell Quarterback Scramble with a time of 15.72 seconds.[citation needed] In addition, he scored a 27 on the Wonderlic exam.

This kid had a cannon, could scramble and was very intelligent and is 6’6? tall. Yet he couldn’t get on the field at Pitt, which was barely at .500 the years he would have played here, if he had stayed.
Better yet, supposed(actually they had been) pro coaches at Pitt (guys who are supposed to know talent) saw this talent and kept it on the bench. So the logical question would be…why? The only conclusion one can come to is, he wasn’t given a fair chance to win the position. And this stuff happens all the time, in fact it’s happening right now, right in front of our faces.

*****NOTE TO Melvin Bennett*****:
I was at the spring game that Flacco played in and he CLEARLY was EQUAL or BETTER to Tyler Palko in the spring game and he had all second teamers he was playing with. I came away from that game saying to my family members that Flacco had a heck of an arm and if Flacco played with the 1st team, he’d look 5 times better than Palko. The only knock against him though was that Flacco always “threw the ball high” and left the receivers outstretched to catch his passes and very vulnerable to rib hits. We all know the rest of the Flacco story that took place…bottom line, he was not given a fair chance due to Dorin Dickerson’s Recruitment (Palko’s dad was his head coach) and Pitt had to land him after the Morrelli/Johnson decommit debacle a year earlier.

Comment by Professor77 04.17.11 @ 11:39 pm

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