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May 11, 2018

Pitt-Penn State Plan Another Break

Filed under: Football — Chas @ 7:11 am

We all saw it coming. Most of us cannot bother with even a semblance of outrage any longer. I’m hoping not to have to talk about it other then in the context of the two remaining games.

Pitt AD Heather Lyke made it clear that Pitt wanted to continue the series with Penn State in football. Lyke also made it clear that Pitt wasn’t going to bend over backwards to make it happen or keep waiting. For all intents and purposes, making it very public that Penn State was the one keeping it from happening.

Penn State AD Sandy Barbour, this week made it known that Pitt and Penn State were not going to see each other again until at least 2030.

Of course she didn’t want to admit it was Penn State that took the break. No, it was mutually agreed in her world.

“We’ve had conversations but I think at this point we both agreed that based on Big Ten and ACC scheduling principles — and you know it’s a complicated puzzle nowadays — that we’re probably not going to do anything at this point and look at some point after 2030 to maybe do something,” Barbour said Tuesday night ahead of Penn State’s first of three coaches caravan stops.

If by “we” she means her, and “agreed,” Barbour means, “No, we aren’t going to even discuss resuming the series,” then sure. As usual, it isn’t the intransigence that annoys me. It’s the lying and dissembling over it.

Look, there are actually legitimate reasons for Penn State to not want to make this the annual game it should be. The Big Ten is starting a 9-game schedule. That only leaves 3 open dates. We all know that in college football, you schedule at least 2 patsy home games for the home gate revenue and to pad wins. So, for PSU to lock up their expected only good non-con game with Pitt every year would be illogical by their point of view.

Hell, Pitt fans are now pissed that Pitt scheduled so aggressively in the non-con in recent years.

It’s the same reason Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville and Florida State have fought so hard against expanding the ACC schedule to 9 games. They all have rivalry games with out of conference opponents that limits them. I mean, Pitt was flipping back-and-forth on the issue over the past few years when it came up for a vote by the conference; because the Panthers wanted to keep the PSU series going.

And who knows when the ACC will be forced to go to 9 conference games because of the ACC Network contract demands?

Then there is the specter of the College Football Playoff. God help me, but PSU Head Coach James Franklin makes a reasonable point.

“If you’re looking at the Pitt-Penn State series as just the Pitt-Penn State series, yeah, it’s been fantastic, it’s been awesome,” he said. “There’s an excitement, there’s a buzz about it. I think it’s really good for the state of Pennsylvania. Obviously we’re keeping a game that has some historical value to it as well, so all those things are wonderful.”

There is a “but,” however. Penn State plays a nine-game schedule in the Big Ten, including one game against each of its six rivals in the Big Ten East, one of the toughest divisions in the country. That’s supposed to impress the College Football Playoff selection committee, but Franklin isn’t so sure.

“Strength of schedule is a huge part, or was supposed to be a huge part of the selection committee, but that hasn’t panned out,” Franklin said. “You wouldn’t necessarily say that after looking at it the last couple of years on how that’s played out.

“So what you have to do is, based on your institution, based on your program, you have to do everything in your power to be undefeated and win the conference championship. All the other variables, you can’t control them, so [you need to control] everything you possibly can, especially when you play in the Big Ten East.

“There’s going to be different people that come off the committee, people that come on the committee, and they’re all going to have their personal biases,” Franklin said. “So, for me, if Pitt makes sense and it helps us with that, then wonderful. But for me, I’m looking at what can we do to put Penn State in the best position to win conference championships and to have a chance to get into the playoffs.”

All you have to do is look at Wisconsin last year. They played nobody in their non-con. Rolled through a “meh” Big Ten West to be undefeated and poised to be in the CFB Playoff if they could just win one game in the Big Ten Championship.

Objectively, I do get it. And it is much more honest then anything Joe Paterno ever said about why he didn’t want to play Pitt.

Personally, I would be thrilled if there could be some sort of  rotating group in the non-con. Say: Pitt, PSU, WVU and Temple(?). Where everyone plays a different team each year on a 3-year rotation. Of course, getting all four programs to reach an agreement in the real world is something much different.





Personally I don’t care about playing State Pen. I’d rather see Pitt pick up non-con games against some TX or west coast teams to expand our recruiting footprint nation-wide

Comment by Mtoolmn 05.11.18 @ 8:01 am

After we kick their Asses back to State (Perv City) College September 8th, I no longer care. If I never hear their name mentioned by a Pitt fan again, it will be too soon!

Arrogant Asshats!

Comment by Dan 72 05.11.18 @ 2:05 pm

Time to move on. Cherish the memories. I would like to see the Hoopies back on the schedule. I understand their attitude and priorities. They always considered Pitt little brother and too urban. They need easy wins. Pitt is already in their market owned by their media minions whom dare not say a disparaging word about their program. Lets just win when we play them.

Comment by Tex 05.11.18 @ 4:22 pm

The only reason the Pervs agreed to the present 4 year deal was because of the then ban by the NCAA on bowl appearances which has been rescinded. They used us like Sandusky with a 12 YOA. Sign a 20 year deal with the Hoopies. Hail to Pitt

Comment by rkb 05.11.18 @ 4:33 pm

PSU athletic director knew back in the fall they did not want to play PItt, why did Heather Lyke wait so long to press the issue. She should have set a deadline of DEC. 31, 2017 and we waited like a beggar for the series to continue.
With all the conference moves that took place over the last decade many rivalries were in jeopardy but they seem to worked out the scheduling and continued to play. In many cases, the governors or other state politicians pressured the schools to continue the series, case closed. In our state we have a governor that most likely never held a football let alone knew about the rivalry.
The ACC must make a move to go to 9 conference games to allow a quicker rotation of inter sub conference play. We need to see more of Florida State and Clemson at Heinz field. the present rotation allows for way to long for that to happen. Also, Notre Dame needs to be addressed as a full member for football. Shame on the ACC for allowing Notre Dame to get away with this.
Schedule West Virginia in their place of PSU and move on. Could you imagine scheduling Ohio State, Michigan or Michigan State to fill in for Penn State??? Up PSU ass.
The Penn State arrogance is alive and well.
I am more than ever excited about ACC conference play than ever before and that is all I care about going forward.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 05.11.18 @ 4:52 pm

Rkb. Your best post ever!

Comment by Dan 72 05.11.18 @ 5:39 pm

Win the next two and Pitt is 4-1 this century against PSU. I’m perfectly fine going out on a high note.

Too bad our state legislature won’t put pressure on PSU like other states have done with in-state rivalries.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 05.11.18 @ 9:05 pm

I am going to contact my state guys directly this week with your suggestion but I am afraid they are just as stupid as the governor I these situations, I will have to educate them.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 05.12.18 @ 2:38 am

Neat ! So psux head coach admits that playing Pitt makes it virtually impossible for them to go undefeated!! CASE CLOSED – WE WIN!! We all know the psux way – bring the nobodies to play in The Pasture!

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Comment by Savannah Panther 05.12.18 @ 8:24 am

Part of the Paterno legacy is that he ended the series. That plus he knew little boys were being raped and didn’t stop it. I am fine if we don’t play them because they suck.

Comment by spiritofsec22 05.12.18 @ 11:58 am

I also think that if they won’t play us in football we should not play them in hoops. They are typically inferior in basketball and I see no advantage in scheduling them.

Comment by spiritofsec22 05.12.18 @ 12:19 pm

I just watched the softball game. How this school continuously pulls defeat from the jaws of victory is mind boggling.

Comment by JLE 05.12.18 @ 1:19 pm

I could care less about playing PSU in any sport; let those suckers just rot on the vine. They mean nothing to me. Also until Pitt football elevates itself no need to play out of conference heavies. Once the elevation is stable and concrete it would be feasible to do so. Finally let me just say that psu sucks and they always have and always will!
Finally let me say psu sucks!

Comment by kiskiminetas 05.13.18 @ 5:53 am

And yet Pitt treats WVU with the same arrogance. I agree with those above that say schedule WVU and forget about PSU. Really, our new AD is handling PSU exactly as she should.

Comment by HbgFrank 05.13.18 @ 9:05 am

Hbg – It’s always annoyed me that Pitt fans get upset over PSU and then Pitt turns around and does the same thing to WVU. It’s real simple. WVU wants to play Pitt. PSU doesn’t want to play Pitt. Pitt fans want to play WVU and PSU. Just take WVU and turn into the baddest east coast rivalry and let PSU wish they had that.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 05.13.18 @ 7:01 pm

THE Pitt WVU would be a great rivalry again, just wear your flack jackets when you go there. lol. I would go to every Pitt/WVU game in Morgantown and it was great. Let me tell you, I went up to Penn state last year and there was not to much difference in their fans compared to WVU.
Also, after next year Pitt needs to cancel all other sport games with PSU, its time to say the hell with you. No basketball, baseball or any other sport.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 05.13.18 @ 8:49 pm

Yep, it’s time to move on. When Paterno first ended the Pitt Penn State series, it was typically played on Thanksgiving weekend and it was one of the most watched college football games in the country. It was done out of spite when Pitt joined the Big East. It was a stupid move then and it’s a stupid move now. I agree with some of the comments above. Going forward, I wouldn’t even play them in badminton.

Comment by Justinian 05.13.18 @ 9:23 pm

Also agree with the comment above about rotating temple into our schedule every other year or so.

Comment by HbgFrank 05.14.18 @ 1:08 pm

Franklin has it right about scheduling ,so why can’t our athletic dept understand that and get the Pitt schedule set to put the team forward by planning the OOC games more carefully.

Comment by Pitt60 05.16.18 @ 8:02 pm

I see we hired another marketing person to increase ticket sales. If you read the bio she single handedly increased everything at Georgia Tech and then left before year 2 was over. LOL.
It said she increased average attendance during those two years to over 50,706. Could it be the fact that in 2015 they had 2 sellouts with Florida State and Georgia ??? lol. and in 2016 there were also 2 close sell outs because Clemson and Miami came to town. Our average attendance will also increase this year with a sell out of the penn state game. I guess they will attribute that to our new marketing director. lol
I was just about convinced we were in the right direction with the new coaching changes and the work the AD put into finding people etc. But when I read this BS about a new marketing person etc. I just cringe and start to question what the hell else is going on in the athletic department. Scheduling good teams and winning games bring people into the stadium not marketing gimmicks at least at Pitt. Ahhh, what the heck, maybe she will help sell a couple of hundred more than last year.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 05.16.18 @ 10:00 pm

I really wish our AD would close the book on Ped State. Please move on already, there are a lot of teams I would like to see on the schedule. I have no interest in reading or talking about it. Lyke- move on.

Comment by Pitt of Glory 05.17.18 @ 9:08 am

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