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February 22, 2018

Pitt Basketball Continues Descent

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 8:44 am

Maybe it was just the ineptitude of Wake Forest that made the loss feel like the end of Stallings. Maybe it has been seeing his name on so many of the “hot seat” articles this week. Maybe it’s because no one was watching the game — at the Pete or even on TV. Hell, maybe it’s because it is snowing this morning where I live after being 70, two days ago.

Whatever the reason, there is almost a palpable feeling that Pitt basketball coach Kevin Stallings has moved into the terminal stage.

Let’s get this out of the way. Wake Forest is bad. I mean, painful to watch, incompetent, bad. This is year four after the deconstruction by Bzdelik for Danny Manning and they have taken a significant step backwards. They have some nice pieces, but they are a bad team. That Pitt still lost to them is a testament of how much worse Pitt is, and why this loss seems like the bottom.

Let me put it this way. In the second half, Pitt had two. TWO! Two scoring droughts of at least five minutes. By they time they scored to end that second drought, they were down by only 4 points. That was amazing.

And Stallings knows this is bad.

With slumped shoulders and sagging spirits, Pitt coach Kevin Stallings said Wednesday night he’s worried more about his players than his job security.

“I’m here to help these guys be successful,” he said, “and I’m not doing a good enough job of that right now.”

Still, the question of how to prop up a program that attracted a meager crowd of 2,420 — a record low at the Pete for a conference game — continues to shadow this team. Pitt (8-21, 0-16) has lost a school-record 16 games in a row. It entered the night as one of only five Division I teams that are winless in conference play.

“I thought the difference in the game was, honestly, that (Wake Forest) played like they had some experience, and we just kept doing things that seemingly didn’t … we didn’t play with enough discipline to win this game,” Stallings said. “There are new and different lessons they have to learn every game.”

“New and different lessons.”???? It’s the same problems. The same mistakes. That’s why there is no support for Stallings. There is nothing that can be pointed at to show this team. The individual players, even, have made tangible improvements since the start of conference play.

“I could call out mistakes that were made in the last two or three minutes of this game that just completely go against what we practice and what we teach and how we work,” Stallings said. “But that wouldn’t do any good. It’s an overall collective. We have to play better, we have to execute better, we have to execute better on defense, we have to play with more discipline on defense, we have to make good decisions on offense. We start the half and we have three, four, five ‘Like you’re playing H-O-R-S-E’ shots and don’t make one. You’ve got to make shots.”

Such instances raise questions of how much progress and maturation has taken place with this team, as has been the case for much of the season. Now, with only two regular-season games remaining, those same continual struggles also prompt speculation about Stallings and his future at the school.

For now, even as his team continues to lose and the ominous signs around him only seem to multiply — from the swaths of empty seats at the Petersen Events Center to the absence of his boss, athletic director Heather Lyke, at numerous games, including Wednesday’s — Stallings can only focus on what he can control.

“My confidence in that really is irrelevant,” Stallings said of his job security. “It doesn’t matter what I think. Those questions need to be asked to the athletic director. I’m not here to be confident or unconfident. I’m here to help these guys be successful. I’m not doing a good enough job of that right now.”

[Emphasis added.]

AD Heather Lyke was at the Dapper Dan dinner last night. As for why Lyke is generally staying away from the basketball games, the answer is easy. She is trying to avoid having to continually give the same canned answer every AD says of a struggling coach who’s job status is questionable, “we will evaluate the program at the end of the season.”

She’s not going to say anything else. But every utterance of that dreaded cliche is one more nail in the Stallings coffin. And props to Stallings for practically daring Lyke to fire him at this point, even while being depressed.

Columnist Joe Starkey paints a bleak picture.

I guess I’ll start here with the on-court scene: They aren’t even announcing Kevin Stallings’ name independently anymore. Pitt used to introduce the coach — be it Ben Howland, Jamie Dixon or Stallings — after the players. Now it happens before the player intros in quick conjunction with “Pitt Panthers!” in an obvious effort to spare Stallings as many boos as possible.

The “Oakland Zoo” student section has been reduced to a miniature exhibit. It used to stretch across eight sections of Pete real estate. It no longer fills two on most nights.

The 15 smallest crowds in Pete history have come under Stallings’ watch. This was one of them — and at 2,420 the lowest of any conference game in the arena’s history.

She [Lyke] has to be asking herself whether she can afford to keep Stallings as the fan base dwindles toward zero, not whether Pitt can afford to let him go.

I’m guessing Stallings is gone.

That might not be fair. I almost always believe a new coach deserves one natural recruiting cycle — four years — to make a case. But this has been far more horrifying than any reasonable person could have imagined.

One could argue this is Pitt’s worst team since its very first team in 1905-06, the one that lost a 106-13 squeaker to Westminster.

If they don’t win one of their final two games — against No.1 Virginia on Saturday or at Notre Dame next week — the Panthers will go winless in-conference for the first time. Which means 49 years of conference play.

Stallings’ conference record is 4-30. That is Hue Jackson territory.

The one question that remains out there, where does Pitt find the money? No one seems to have answer to that part.





“we will evaluate the program at the end of the season.”

I think for all intents and purposes, last night was the end of the season.

Comment by DD 02.22.18 @ 9:17 am

I’ve gotten the sense that Stallings saw the righting on the wall as early as December. His response to questions seemed to be setting the stage for an exit. Then the Lyke passive-aggressive response to his job security appeared to cement it for me.

Dan Hurley is the name getting mentioned the most with Pitt. I don’t think that happens. If Pitt goes the assistant route, like I’m anticipating they’ll have to, I hope they raid Jay Wright’s staff at Villanova.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.22.18 @ 10:14 am

writing*

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.22.18 @ 10:14 am

If stallings was going to remain as hc the responsible thing to do would have been for the ad to give a vote of confidence by now for recruiting purposes. As such i think he’s gone?,??

Comment by Steve 02.22.18 @ 11:08 am

link to post-gazette.com

“Joe Starkey: Kevin Stallings cannot survive this, can he?”

Comment by NickC 02.22.18 @ 12:29 pm

Sad that we are even having this type of discussion.

I will start by saying that KS hasn’t had enough time to develop his program .. and, I do expect things will improve next year if he still is here.

But WOW … what he has done in his short tenure is mind boggling.

1) longest losing streak in our 111 year history
2) lowest attendance of any game in conference history
3) the 15 smallest crowds in building history (only coached 61 games)
4) possibly, the first season w/o a conference win
5) other

It’s only up from here .. right ?

Comment by tomas 02.22.18 @ 1:24 pm

Kevin Stallings: “I’m not doing a good enough job of that right now.”

Well I guess that makes it unanimous. So long Kevin.

Stallings is to Pitt basketball what Dave Hart was to Pitt football.

Comment by dinosaur 71 02.22.18 @ 1:37 pm

Ten million dollar buyout and you really think he is gone.
Maybe a negotiated settlement but $10 million, I don’t see that happening.

Maybe other ACC teams can give us the names of their top contributors to see if some of them want to help us raise the cash to buy out Stallings. They may be sick enough of seeing Pitt compete with their teams and want us to change coaches. LOL. “We can only dream”.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 02.22.18 @ 3:05 pm

Dinosaur …we welcomed Dave Hart like a conquering hero. You and I were there. “This is the year the Panther begins to growl” was the motto.

We excoriated KS for 3 full days on every kind of media and in every way before he was hired. Barnes, Gallagher and the BOT gave us the finger and hired him anyhow and tried to portray him as the “steal of a lifetime!” You’ll love his uptempo offense…said they.

How’s that working out??

Occasionally the Alums are right.

Comment by Dan 72 02.22.18 @ 4:20 pm

Dan_72 – 100%. They should have read the room better. People laughed at TN fans for the way they revolted over Schiano but you know what? They got a more exciting coach out of it. Good for them.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.22.18 @ 4:38 pm

Pitt could have save a lot of money if they listened to the fans two years ago.

Comment by Steve 02.22.18 @ 5:21 pm

Pitt fans gave the brain trust the finger back by boycotting the pete!

Comment by Steve 02.22.18 @ 5:23 pm

Dan – I remember all too well.

The common thread btwn Hart and Stallings is that both followed moderately successful coaches who had run out of gas. Both came in and ran their programs off a cliff in record time. It took a miracle to resurrect football. Whether basketball will recover remains to be seen.

The comparison ends at that. Dave Hart was a likable guy who was able to capture the imagination of fans of the day. In that respect, he was the anithesis of Kevin Stallings.

Comment by dinosaur 71 02.22.18 @ 6:31 pm

I know a lot of up and coming BB assistants would be licking their chops to get a chance to coach a team in the ACC, but they better have some awfully thick skin and some tremendous vision to accept a job here. Hell, I don’t think they should dare do that to a first time head coach; hire him I mean. Too much work and pressure for a neophite.

Comment by Special K 02.22.18 @ 8:47 pm

Chas – descent and decent are two words that have totally different and contrasting meanings. But, spoken out loud with a Yinzer accent they could sound the same.

Let’s hope that when the Winter interns are reading your blog to the BoT’s and Pitt admin’s sitting around the large, expensive conference table sipping tea, that the accent clarifies DESCENT and not DECENT.

Comment by Erie Express 02.23.18 @ 12:15 pm

The no 1 Virginia Cav’s come to the Pete tommorrow, with a win, Stallings will get the fans off his back.

Comment by alcofan 02.23.18 @ 2:10 pm

Sean Miller caught on tape offering $100large to bribe a player to play at Zona.

Stallings Linked to same while at Vandy. Enough to fire for cause and save $10 mill????

Comment by Dan 72 02.24.18 @ 12:24 am

We can only dream that Stallings was linked to this latest college mess which may lead to his departure with no payment from Pitt.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 02.24.18 @ 12:37 am

Seriously though, Stallings wasn’t involved at all.
Stallings if anything, runs a clean program.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 02.24.18 @ 2:05 am

We need Dan Hurley.

Comment by DD 02.24.18 @ 7:47 am

We need a good coach. Wins is what fans want ultimately. Even the unlikeable Stallings, who has cursed out players at Vandy and Pitt and comes across as clueless to boot, would rally support here if he were moving things in the right direction and fans thought they could win with him eventually. Nobody thinks that. There is no progress. And I sure hope Tossing is wrong, I don’t want to hire an Assistant; I liked the Narduzzi hire, but that’s completely different than this hoops situation. I want a young head coach that wants to make the move to the next level, a Hurley type yes, but it doesn’t have to be him. Large Power 5 schools have been successful in this area in recent years, all you have to do is make the right hire and as many have pointed out, it doesn’t take long to turn things around in hoops if you do so. If I’m a BIG DONOR, my buyout money has a condition: input into the hire at some level. In other words, the BOT, which is the real source of the problem, cannot be trusted to orchestrate the next hire. (by and large, they should be replaced).

Comment by 1618mt 02.24.18 @ 9:40 am

If these allegations are true, Miller is toast…I guess we can be grateful that he had no interest in the Pitt job!

Comment by HbgFrank 02.24.18 @ 10:49 am

HbgFrank – You’re right, and based on the national headlines, it doesn’t look good for him. I was ALWAYS disappointed in Sean Miller for 2 reasons: He never really gave us any impression of admiration or support for his alma mater and there was family tension there maybe getting in the way, and I felt/feel this aspect of the handling has been nothing short of disgraceful on his part and the part of his family, and secondly, like some others have said, I don’t think he’s a very good coach given how poorly he’s done with the recruits he purchased. I truly hope that if these accusations are true, he turns his life around and resurrects his character, because ultimately that’s the most important thing anyway.

Comment by 1618mt 02.24.18 @ 11:32 am

MIller’s contract actually calls for him to be paid MORE if he is fired for cause. You read that correctly. It’s cheaper for AZ to fire him for no reason at all. If he goes down for this (and it’s certainly “cause”) he makes out like bandit. We thought Pitt signed some bad contracts – goes to show that when you run with the big dogs, things get weird in a hurry, financially speaking.

There were a growing number of AZ fans who were souring on Miller before any of this happened, largely for what ‘1618 mentioned above. He’s had a TON of talent, and regardless of how he acquired it, you could argue that he’s underachieved. Massively in some cases. There will be enough negative sentiment to show him the door but it’s going to cost someone a lot of money. The only way he stays is if the corruption is so deep across so many schools and big name coaches that the NCAA just presses the reset button on the whole thing. That will almost certainly never happen, but this is the tip of an iceberg that may well sink quite a few ships before it’s over. With all the potential vacated wins, they may as well have not even played the last few tournaments, or the upcoming one…. but they will… because… well… money.

Ultimately the NCAA is as much to blame for this as the coaches, players, boosters, and agents they excoriate. They have far too much power and the wield it discriminately. In theory, the NCAA was supposed to protect the game from these sorts of transgressions – to preserve the integrity of collegiate athletics. Are we to believe that they were really this grossly incompetent? Negligent? Impotent? All the mountains of rules they created over the past two decades (or more) apparently didn’t work at all. If anything they made the problem worse. But all along the way, they also made a lot of money…. so I guess that’s something.

The deeper this rabbit hole goes, the more potential it has to expose the NCAA as the big scam that it is – for that reason alone I am watching intently.

Comment by 55 02.24.18 @ 2:42 pm

This is not the fault of the NCAA. Its the coaches, players, players families and sports agents who broke the law.
Coaches with no morals who make millions of dollars and are forced to win.
What is the NCAA suppose to do? Maybe hire ex CIA and FBI agents to comb the universities nationwide to keep tabs on corrupt players and coaches.
This is way beyond the NCAA, people need to go to jail over this.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 02.24.18 @ 11:47 pm

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