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August 29, 2016

Basketball Bits, 8/29

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 7:28 am

A few basketball related things.

Last week I noted the ACC schedule for basketball will go to 20. Really didn’t dig deep into that side of it, and I still don’t think I am right now. One thing to consider is how that lessens the impact of the non-con schedule in terms of RPI, BPI, KenPom, etc.

On the one hand you now have a portion of the schedule shrunk by over 15%. That same side of the schedule that we and the punditry will harp on for bubble teams come March. With the increase to the conference schedule, the value of the non-con should reasonable shrink as it is only 33% of the schedule.

The decrease in the non-con schedule will also flatten the difference — at least among ACC teams — in their non-con strength of schedule.

UNC Coach Roy Williams is the first to sound off on the impact of the schedule changes.

Roy Williams went on an ESPN podcast earlier this week and said because of this, the UK-UNC series is almost certainly going to end come 2019-2020.

“My feeling right now, and it could change by ’19, heck I could be fired by ’19,” Williams said, “but my feeling right now is to play our conference schedule, play one exempt event where you have really good teams, and other than that play home games to help out your revenue and help out your budget. My business manager, she drives me crazy because we play 15 or 16 home games, and she sees some other teams playing 20 or 21 or 22. That’s what she wants. She wants more revenue coming in. So right now that’s my thinking. … We have the ACC/Big Ten (Challenge) and that is not going to go away. So it’s 21 already scheduled and play one exempt event.”

And when asked specifically if this 20-game authorization would put an end to UNC’s series with Kentucky, Williams said, “Oh yeah. … Why would I need to do that?”

[Emphasis added.]

For Pitt it is 22 games, with the City Game. The possibility of some sort of annual game with Penn State being on the table — and potentially neutrally sited. Who knows about WVU. Pitt’s non-con will be patsies, but so will most other ACC teams simply because of the economy of it. In no small part because Pitt will need the home games.

Including an exhibition, Pitt played 19 home games last year. This year — while still with 18 conference games — the number of home games will be 18.

I don’t see this as a bad thing, but it is definitely a change. One that will take some time for adjustments for the fans and those analyzing schedules.

Shifting over to basketball strategy, Ken Pomeroy did a study on coaches playing players with 2 fouls late in the first half. It’s not a perfect study, as it can skew to “risk takers” more at the mid-major and lower level simply because those programs don’t have the same depth and aren’t in as much a position to play their bench as much. Or someone like Jim Boeheim at Syracuse who rarely has much of a bench that he uses.

Here’s the data on all 321 active D-I coaches that have at least one year of experience in the books since the 2009-10 season:

                                                    Minutes  Minutes  PctMin
Rank  Coach (Seasons)          Team                 2-Fouls     On      On
   1  Larry Hunter (7)         Western Carolina       2135     1189    55.7
   2  Keith Richard (6)        Louisiana Monroe       1777      939    52.8
   3  Ron Hunter (7)           Georgia St.            1925      948    49.2
   4  Jim Boeheim (7)          Syracuse               1651      810    49.1
   5  Greg Kampe (7)           Oakland                2209     1067    48.3
   6  George Ivory (7)         Arkansas Pine Bluff    1758      849    48.3
   7  Dave Simmons (7)         McNeese St.            1555      707    45.5
   8  Randy Bennett (7)        Saint Mary's           1782      804    45.1
   9  Matthew Driscoll (7)     North Florida          1690      756    44.7
  10  Bob Walsh (2)            Maine                   576      254    44.1
...
132  Steve Fisher (7)         San Diego St.          1475      304    20.6
 133  Bobby Hurley (3)         Arizona St.             830      171    20.6
 134  John Groce (7)           Illinois               1942      400    20.6
 135  Tim Craft (3)            Gardner Webb            623      128    20.5
 136  Corey Williams (3)       Stetson                 683      140    20.5
 137  Kevin Stallings (7)      Pittsburgh             1914      392    20.5
 138  Mark Few (7)             Gonzaga                2183      446    20.4
 139  Pat Chambers (7)         Penn St.               2734      557    20.4
 140  John Becker (5)          Vermont                1271      256    20.1

 141  Steve Prohm (5)          Iowa St.               1584      318    20.1
 142  John Gallagher (6)       Hartford               1570      309    19.7
 143  Earl Grant (2)           College of Charleston   747      147    19.7
...
261  Rick Pitino (7)          Louisville             2122      233    11.0
 262  Todd Bozeman (7)         Morgan St.             1733      190    11.0
 263  Lon Kruger (7)           Oklahoma               1726      189    11.0
 264  Mike Jones (5)           Radford                1429      156    10.9
 265  Marty Simmons (7)        Evansville             1992      216    10.8
 266  Jerry Slocum (7)         Youngstown St.         1773      192    10.8
 267  Joe Callero (7)          Cal Poly               1406      151    10.7
 268  Scott Cherry (7)         High Point             1428      152    10.6
 269  Tad Boyle (7)            Colorado               2074      219    10.6
 270  Ron Cottrell (7)         Houston Baptist        1983      209    10.5
 271  Nicholas McDevitt (3)    UNC Asheville           755       79    10.5
 272  Jon Coffman (2)          IPFW                    411       43    10.5
 273  Rick Ray (4)             Southeast Missouri St. 1102      115    10.4
 274  Greg McDermott (7)       Creighton              1607      167    10.4
 275  Jamie Dixon (7)          TCU                    1437      149    10.4
 276  Brad Brownell (7)        Clemson                1509      156    10.3
 277  Will Wade (3)            VCU                     743       75    10.1
...
290  Greg Gard (1)            Wisconsin               312       28     9.0
 291  Mick Cronin (7)          Cincinnati             1796      160     8.9
 292  Willie Hayes (5)         Alabama A&M             800       71     8.9
 293  Tom Moore (7)            Quinnipiac             1839      161     8.8
 294  Tom Izzo (7)             Michigan St.           1781      155     8.7
 295  Keith Walker (2)         Delaware St.            437       38     8.7
 296  Dedrique Taylor (3)      Cal St. Fullerton       588       51     8.7
 297  Glenn Braica (6)         St. Francis NY         1715      148     8.6
 298  Montez Robinson (1)      Alcorn St.              177       15     8.5
 299  Bob McKillop (7)         Davidson               2113      175     8.3
 300  Bashir Mason (4)         Wagner                 1329      110     8.3

 301  Michael White (5)        Florida                1459      120     8.2
 302  Chris Beard (1)          Texas Tech              198       16     8.1
 303  Eric Konkol (1)          Louisiana Tech          243       19     7.8
 304  Archie Miller (5)        Dayton                 1287      100     7.8
 305  Tony Bennett (7)         Virginia               1474      102     6.9
 306  Matt Matheny (7)         Elon                   1867      129     6.9
 307  Mark Fox (7)             Georgia                1826      126     6.9
 308  John Beilein (7)         Michigan               1277       88     6.9
 309  Jay Spoonhour (4)        Eastern Illinois        803       54     6.7
 310  Pat Kelsey (4)           Winthrop                867       58     6.7
 311  Greg Lansing (6)         Indiana St.            1312       84     6.4
 312  Gregg Marshall (7)       Wichita St.            1844      112     6.1

This is very much a broad stroke look, but it does reveal at bit. Including the fact that Kevin Stallings will be willing to take chances late in the first half.

Jamie Dixon continues to say nice things about Pitt and the city of Pittsburgh.

Kevin Stallings is being positive and continuing to regularly make media rounds.

The article on whether Pitt can step up to a higher level in college basketball is interesting. I wouldn’t mind revisiting it with a little more detail. I think it gets a little chicken-egg thing going with revenue and expenses. Especially compared to the programs that are already at the higher level. That’s a little too reductive in the college basketball model. Obviously recruiting has to be better. To expect consistently pulling 5-stars and McD players is silly. But doing better for 4-star and high 3-star is not unrealistic. A lot more to unpack — including the observation that the programs that have elevated and stayed elevated also have had or still have an iconic coach who has been there for a couple decades.





Welcome back Chas. Missed this type of insight.

Comment by Velvil 08.29.16 @ 7:33 am

Both Football and basketball are heavily senior laden. This hasn’t happened for a long time. Will they over or under achieve?

They also both have “weak links”, will this be their Achilles heal or will they overcome?

So next year will be “rebuilding” years for both, it looks like football has more spare parts, but basketball can rebuild faster with good recruiting.

Glad to see Chas crushing his writer’s block, should be a lot of good stories happening soon.

Comment by gc 08.29.16 @ 8:37 am

Chas, the City Game is played at Consol, no budget for travel is involved. Every other year Pitt is at home in the ACC-B10 Challenge. It would be nice if Pitt could play WVU each year especially since on the years Pitt hosts the Challenge, WVU plays away in the B12-SEC Challenge. But then again … that would make too much sense .. wouldn’t it?

Comment by wbb 08.29.16 @ 9:43 am

In the Challenges …. last year Pitt hosted Indiana while WVU played at Florida. This coming year Pitt plays at Maryland while WVU hosts Texas A&M.

Comment by wbb 08.29.16 @ 9:49 am

correction … last year, Pitt hosted Purdue

Comment by wbb 08.29.16 @ 9:50 am

Got an email from Stallings inviting me to a reception at Stage AE before Saturday’s game with an offer for free tickets to the game included. Asking me to reconsider my decision to not renew season tickets. Further evidence of the hole Barnes dug for Stallings. I will always root for Pitt! Got no ax to grind with the new coach. But I will never set foot in the Pete again so long as Barnes is in town. P S. Also skipped the “reception” with Barnes at Heinz.

Vote for playing WVU every year instead of Joe Knewers.

Comment by Wally 08.29.16 @ 12:00 pm

Happened to catch the article on stepping up a level over the weekend. Love the comments by Brandin Knight regarding Pitt’s formula for recruiting success. Go after kids who are willing to work hard and have something to prove.

Coach Howland and Dixon built our very good teams over the years. We are not in a position to “hire” teams with one and done’s and transfers. In fact, if I were a HC I would not even consider one and done type kid at Pitt. It just does not work for our program.

Comment by HbgFrank 08.29.16 @ 12:08 pm

Never was a fan of giving the hook for 2 fowls. It is essentially putting the player in a penalty box because he might get another foul. Emphasis on might. A lot of things might happen, including earning no more fouls and playing quality minutes.

Comment by 2$Chuck 08.29.16 @ 4:54 pm

Nova rarely has one and dones and look what they did last year. I agree. Pitt needs to recruit players with upside who fit their style of play.

Comment by TX Panther 08.29.16 @ 5:02 pm

Huckleberry Hound should be ‘heck I could be fired by 2019’. Since he oversaw a program where most if not all the players got passing grades on courses they never attended classes on. Or had papers written for them.

And this wasn’t a one year thing. Many years.

Cheatin Tarholes !

Comment by Emel 08.29.16 @ 5:11 pm

So it appears ‘Friar Tuck’ Stallings is a gambling man.

That might work at a place like Vanderbilt, where like Duke, the preppies get the majority of the calls.

But I doubt it works at Pitt, where the majority of the calls tend to go against us.

Comment by Emel 08.29.16 @ 5:15 pm

Some names of note, on the ultra conservative side.

Tom Izzo #294
Bob McKillop #299
Archie Miller #304
Tony Bennett #305
Jon Beilein #308
Greg Marshall #312

I tend to believe you save your better players and your fouls for the 2nd half.

Especially if you’re not one of these schools like Duke & UNC that tend to get the calls.

Comment by Emel 08.29.16 @ 5:23 pm

I suggest we wait until at least mid February before we start hating Stallings.

Comment by Jackagain 08.29.16 @ 5:44 pm

IMO and I would believe statistics would probably back me up…sitting someone with two fouls for the rest of the half is just too conservative. You’re playing the ‘what-if’ game and playing scared. The chances are greater that it won’t happen than it will (in general). And, if they get that 3rd, they still have two more and you can have them sit the bench for a bit to start the 2nd.

Comment by panther94 08.29.16 @ 5:48 pm

The 2 foul issue never bothered me either way. But you must admit, Jamie rarely had guys foul out too early because of it.

Comment by gc 08.29.16 @ 9:35 pm

@gc
But what is impossible to say is if his guys would have scored more points and been better for the team staying in the game as opposed to being pulled. No one can say. But, like I said earlier, I’m taking the side of math. Who cares if they foul out too early if they score 10 more points that they otherwise wouldn’t have at the end of the first half?!

Anyway, I’m not a coach, but I’d leave them in. Of course, that could be why I’m not a coach. That and a million other reasons.

Comment by panther94 08.29.16 @ 10:16 pm

Although they said they wanted to “up” the schedule in the future, I’d believe it when I see it, so, I’ll take the two extra conference games.

I’d rather even watch Wake Forest than Central Maryland Southern State.

Comment by Dan 08.30.16 @ 11:51 am

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