I had plans once, man. Dreams. I was going to the Military Bowl. An old friend and I were going to drive to the game today, with our kids. Then drive back the same night. Two middle-aged dads, four kids ranging from 7 to 13. What could go wrong?
Well, both of us getting the requisite time off from work had some fits and starts. By the time we got it worked out, the tickets had been sold out through Pitt a few times over. Looking into aftermarket options to get a block of six tickets proved more than a little cost prohibitive.
So, in the end, plans for attending the game fell apart. Instead, we are just getting together to drink and watch the game. Grilling a bit, but mainly staying inside, drinking and watching the Military Bowl.
Not as good as being there, but it will have to do.
Does this game count an official neutral site for the records?
Pitt is 10-7-1 at Navy, but is 0-3 in neutral site games.
For all of you that went and suffered thru both games…I feel your pain!
Like most of you, I had high hopes for a Pitt win. I bet em at + 5.5 and when the line dropped to -2.5 today I at least thought Pitt would be competitive …but not even close.
A fellow Blatherite and frat bro put it this way at dinner ” I became emotionally involved with Pitt Football this year after 31 years but after today, I’m back to just being a fan !”
You guys have nailed the finer points of the game but here’s a few thoughts not covered:
* I won awards as a corporate VP and Sales Mgr by following
A simple philosophy not always popular with higher ups….that is” any time you touch the public, do it with utmost class and spend whatever you have to ..to do it!”
As I sat in the mud floor tent that was the Pitt Alumni reception..I pondered that thought…not enough food, heat, rest rooms, giveaways etc. A very poor effort by Pitt D- at best
* Then there were the Pitt Tidy Whitey Uni’s. On national f’ing TV this is what represents Pitt!!! These are the uniforms the HS JV squads wear for games, passed down from varsity’s past.
Then there was the game. A mismatch from 14 seconds in. Pitt was exposed in the ugliest way of every deficiency we had.
Most of all I missed meeting all of you…GC, Marrieta, etc. and even you wbb! A cold nasty deeply dissappointing day where 13,000 of my long suffering friends made the trip to my home state…and for what? Lily Tomlin once said, ” being from NY is never having to say your sorry!”
Well being from Pitt Football means always having to say your sorry. Today was no exception!
Wouldn’t want anything else to add to these 2 days of bliss!
However I didn’t think Pitt would get soundly beat in all phases of the game. Navy was 14-17 on 3rd and 4th down. Didn’t think in addition to gashing Pitt for over 400 yds on the ground, they were also going to be extremely efficient throwing the ball too. I also thought Pitt would score more than 2 stinking TD’s on offense and not turn the ball over 3 times. Just a bad day at the office. Real bad.
That said 8-5 was a decent debut for Narduzzi. Hopefully this staff can finish this recruiting class strong and make a good hire at OC.
It is evident more talent is needed. Hendrix and Edwards should provide an upgrade in talent at DE. DT still is a big concern and more talent there is needed.
Galambos and Caprera are smart football players but are a bit too slow. Wirginis may be a bit better, looked ok in limited times. McKee, Brightwell, Pine(if he don’t flip), and Pugh are more purely talented and should improve that position.
I like the talent being recruited in the secondary. Land Hamlin and keep Ford and this secondary can be really good sooner than later. Need corners that can cover without a lot of help in this defense. Pressuring the QB is essential in this D also.
Nate Peterman disappointed down the stretch and regressed actually. He is the starter next year, however. Macvittie is a must keep and the new OC’s 1st priority should be keeping him aboard. He can be a future star. But only started one year in high school and just isn’t going to start as a true freshman. Need to recruit more depth and talent at QB starting with next years class.
If Conner and Ibrahim return healthy next year our RB’s can be among the best in the country. I still think George Hill should get a long look at RB.
Tyler Boyd likely played his last game as a Panther. Dontez Ford, Challingsworth, and Zeise can all be decent receivers but none of them are stars. Flowers and Winfree can be. I think Pitt screwed up recruiting Aaron Mathews, the kid wants to play WR and Pitt should have gave him his 1st shot there. Now that Pedo St offered that ship probably sailed. Quadree Henderson, Tre Tipton, and Maurice Ffrench all have the speed to be good slot receivers that make plays in space.
The OL is in good shape but that is a position you have to continue to recruit depth and talent. Need 8 guys minimum that can play and start at all times.
I like Ordorff and Chris Clark can be a beast, but unfortunately will probably have to sit next year. Zach Poker switched to TE but depth there is a real concern.
I am glad Narduzzi is our coach. I love his fire and seemingly endless energy. I think he plans on being here and building a program. I think we all want a program that consistently contends for ACC titles and a fixture in the top 25. If you get to that point there no reason you can’t make occasional runs at the top 10 and play in New Years Six type bowl games in better years.
I remain cautiously optimistic. But there is much work to be done. Let’s start it with a top 25 recruiting class.
Hail to Pitt!!
In looking at the game stats, Pitt ran the ball (ONLY) 21 times for 198 yards (YIKES). Pitt lost both halves in regards to points. N.Peterman was 13-21 for 137 yards, 3 INT’s and 1 TD for a QBR of 19.4 (PATHETIC). Did Chad transfer already that he didn’t play? There was a player that looked like him on the sideline with a #16 jersey – just sayin, plus I was payin to watch that (PATHETIC) performance.
T.Boyd touched the ball 12 times – 6 receptions for 53 yards + 5 carries for 55 yards and one dropped pass early in the game. T.Boyd was off the field more than he was on it – an informed Pitt wife sitting next to me mentioned that fact numerous times throughout the game. And QO was off the field too much as well. I’m fine with T.Boyd or J.Whitehead spelling QO at times in the backfield, as both were super productive – but anyone else was (PATHETIC).
The use of our TE’s was just as (PATHETIC) – 3 targeted passes (THREE!?) – Orndorff 2 catches for 31 yards and JP with 1 drop (OUCH!).
Some on this thread last night pointed to a 3rd and 15 for the Navy O as the key play of the game. Here is my key series – Pitt’s O has the ball near midfield and QO runs for 8 or 9 yards on 1st down. Two plays later we PUNT!? We averaged nearly 10 yards per carry. Why did we not RUN THE BALL DOWN THEIR THROATS?
Our QB had a very bad day and should have been benched for Chad or any of the others – I paid for a better performance by these coaches. The halftime adjustments were missing as well – they didn’t work if there were any…
Pitt has had a very poor FB history since I left school in the mid-80’s and I’ve spent my hard earned money for the entertainment value. I’m either a poor consumer or a sucker. This year I started believing that things had changed – yesterday I became a cautious consumer. The smoke cleared and mirrors were broken. The Pitt crowd was present for sure but our coaches and players weren’t worth the entertainment dollars (AGAIN).
Off to work, focused and prepared to do my job. More than I can say for Pitt FB yesterday.
In fact, ALL positions should be open next year for competition. No one should have job security after yesterday’s pathetic effort.
Unless T.Boyd decides to come back for his senior year.
I’ve seen Pitt on the road several times and amazingly this year in Blacksburg was the 1st time I’ve ever seen them win.
What’s not funny at all is that any time Pitt gets fans to show up in a big way they shit the bed. Watching the game yesterday I said to my dad I wonder how many Pitt fans that went said that’s the last time they’ll spend money to see them in a bowl game.
This shit has to stop at some point. Or maybe not. Hell its been this way for the majority of this program’s history. I hope once the disappointment wears off fans are willing to give Narduzzi time to get his program in place. But I can’t blame the casual fan that every time they try to buy in are treated to a shit show like yesterday.
Dan72 – The all whites are pathetic, agreed, just awful. We really should look the part of a D1 school, I think that’s a fair expectation.
Salem – Play calling was stiff and predictable at best, if he ever was a candidate for OC, he’s not anymore, and better to know now than later.
Narduzzi – One concern I have with him, is that he influences the OC calls (Chaney and maybe Salem) in the first half of games, to keep things conservative and trust the defense. I don’t know if that’s true at all, but it’s a concern I have. He needs to make a really good OC hire, with the help of the AD, and get the heck out of the way. This is far and away my #1 new year’s wish for the fb team.
We need better linemen, both sides of the ball.
Same story all year long, we need 2 new CBs.
We need a real QB competition.
New unis next year but still may end up with all white
Agree our new OC will be from outside
Disagree on PN influencing play calls in 1st half, or we would have seen a lot more run attempts. Are you aware that at halftime, Pitt had a better rushing YPA than Navy?
We are getting better DL, not sure about OL
Our CBs in the next couple of years will be an improvement, no doubt
we need a real QB
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For a long time I had become an observer
There every Saturday but no expectations
This year I was sucked back into the vortex of optimism. But I’m over it now.I’ll be there on Saturdays because thats what we do but I’ll need some serious evidence before I can get emotionally invested again.
All-in-all, the weekend was great except for the main attractions. I’m glad Pitt went to the Military Bowl because of the venue and the opponent.
Navy proved to me that a college does not have to recruit 4 and 5 star players to be competitive. Good football is about good coaching. Pitt’s offense can be excused (I guess) because their coordinator left for Georgia – even though play calling was not much better when their coordinator was still coaching at Pitt. Defensively, Pitt looked like they didn’t want to get their white uniforms dirty and I’ll leave it at that.
Since this bowl game and its outcome is irrelevant for Pitt’s players, they better show more effort in 2016 or Pitt will lose their meager fan-base. I travel to several GA Tech away games every year and can say that Pitt’s fans travelled quite well yesterday. Except for Tech’s trip to the Orange Bowl, Pitt‘s fans out-numbered Tech’s travelling fans. I don’t want to read about the empty yellow seats at Heinz either – if Pitt starts playing competitive football, Pitt fans will show-up for their games – maybe not like the Cow College but Pitt’s fans will show.
As Johnny Major’s once said, a good football program has to have “attention to detail.” Until Pitt goes back to the ‘70’s state of mind and being, Pitt football will not get to the elite level of college football. One part of Pitt’s “enthusiasm” I’d like to see go away is their fourth quarter water whatever. Pitt needs to be more business-like in all aspects of their athletic programs. Jumping up and down only wastes their energy.
Now that I voiced my opinion about the weekend, I’d like to wish all my Blatherites a Happy and Healthy 2016. Let’s think good thoughts for Pitt’s athletics in 2016 – I know it can be hard but that’s why we bleed blue and gold.
Hail to Pitt!
Before yesterday, Pitt was 5 and 1 on the road this season with the only loss at Top 10 Iowa. And Navy was also a ranked team wit 11 wins.
They were 3 and 3 at home.
It was NAVY!
Used to be Pitt looked at Navy and Army as AUTOMATIC Wins.
Heck, ARMY would BEAT this Pitt Football Team!!
He’s even admitted to so much.
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“You can’t prepare for stuff you don’t know is coming.”
— Pat Narduzzi — Post Gazette
And you Guys thought Chryst was DUMB.
I will say one thing – for all you Pitt fans who watched the game on TV somewhere… in person the game was 10 times as bad. The weather was horrid and the seats are narrow… which made the piss-poor showing in every single aspect of football yesterday even harder to watch.
Yesterday we played the best Navy team since Staubach. Someone earlier compared this loss to the HCPC loss. No no no! This Navy team was FAR superior to the one we played under Chryst.
Combine that with the fact that HCPN historically has been poor against the triple option.
The result is not all the surprising, actually.
At the beginning of the season I said to myself, I will be content if we add one more win a year for the next 3 years. We are on track. It is a process.
Some teams (Temple, etc) do turn around fast. As a Pitt fan, I find that a totally unrealistic expectation!! Too hardened to really expect that to happen to us. Did any of you REALLY think that at the begnning of this year????
One additional win a year. That is enough for me. This year was not SOP. We bascially won every game we should have and lost every game we should have. THAT IS PROGRESS (sadly).
You’re pretty much ALONE on that Island.
And contrary to some of the “experts” here… I did end up talking with Naval Academy graduates who were UNANIMOUS in saying Reynolds is in the argument with Staubach as ALL-TIME BEST at Navy!
And that was BEFORE the Game.
With the exception of the first half against Louisville, the passing game really sputtered down the stretch. Peterman deserves some blame, but so do the coaches. Not breaking news, but the OC hire is huge.
And he at least gave them a Game.
Seriously, we are on the right path. Keep the class together, add a couple more and let’s go. Spring ball is right around the corner. Will be interested in Price’s and Clark’s decisions from the NCAA coming soon regarding eligibility next year.
The Nards defensive mindset is GO AFTER IT. That is in many respects EXACTLY what NOT to do against the triple option. Players that are drilled all year to go after it just have a real hard time all of a sudden becoming disciplined to play gaps.
Anyway, I am most disappointed in hoping that Salem would do a great job, stick around for 5 years or so, and we could see what our offense could do under some level of consistent coaching year to year. So much for that!
we all get you think chryst is the next bear bryant or nick saban, but don’t forget he left on his own, pitt didn’t fire him. there should’t be animosity towards hcpn because of that.
Navy is also one of the FIVE LIGHTEST Teams in Major College Football. Pitt OUTWEIGHED Navy up and down both the Offensive and Defensive lines.
Pitt should have DOMINATED the Line of Scrimmage. But obviously that wasn’t the case.
Not a lack of talent. It was clearly a lack of COACHING and GAME-PLANNING!
By the way, I was one of the 9,000.
It’s NOT that Chryst was so Good. It’s just that all of the Kool-Aid Drinkers here were so critical of Chryst and have been worshiping the ground Narduzzi walks on.
What has Narduzzi done except beat Teams he should have beaten… and lose to the Good ones?
Just to be fair to Chryst… there is NO QUESTION he would have given Navy a better Game yesterday.
Yes, he lost Games he should have won. But Chryst did have some BIG WINS under his belt.
As GREAT as some have proclaimed the arrival of Narduzzi to be… he has yet to pull a TRUE upset.
Maybe yesterday EMBARRASSMENT will prove to be the “game changer” for those standing in the Kool-Aid line.
However, based upon SOME of the comments above… the early returns aren’t very promising.
I am a bit more forgiving of our defense although, of course, they weren’t good. But had our offense controlled the ball more (like it should have), Navy’s offense wouldn’t have seen the field so often.
10 quarters of bad-to-mediocre football beginning with Louisville 3rd quarter. The honeymoon is over. You are right.
Every fucking time a little momentum begins to build Pitt pulls out. Just can’t bring it home.
2009: Cincy
2010: Miami & WVU (and, of course, the mighty UCONN Huskies)
2011: Iowa
2012: YSU
2013: Navy
2014: Akron
2015: Navy
Why?
49,969 YSU
45,237 Virginia
43,049 North Carolina
68,400 Notre Dame
42,119 Louisville
40,126 Miami
take out the Notre Dame game and Pitt’s 2015 attendance actually declined during what was, at least up to the Miami game, a successful season.
Selling tickets for next season is going to challenge Barnes. It will be more difficult to do.
On offense, Pitt loses Boyd, Holtz, and Rowell, and may get Conner and Ibrahim back. Hopefully one of the young receivers is a special talent. I think a good OC with some QB coaching experience could do well with this group.
The defense is wide open beyond Whitehead. We could easily see 8-9 new starters. The scheme isn’t going to change.
Less than 9 months away, already fired up!!!
Great season, disappointing game yesterday, takes none of the Narduzzi momentum away what so ever.
Recruiting signing day is next, looking forward to it and then spring ball!!!
Also, looking forward to going to Clemson, a place I’ve always wanted to go.
They haven’t placed a date yet, but already have my hotel, at my sisters house in Rock Hill, SC, about an hour east of Clemson.
Couple cousins went to Clemson, we’re already talkling about the tailgate!!!
Hail to Pitt!!!!
You guys make too much of what is essentially an exhibition game. It’s hard to stay sharp with a month off for a game that has little reward. It’s why so many first halves of these bowl games are so bad. Shaking off rust. Pitt was playing a team with a traditional bye week of two weeks off. NAVY played ARMY two weeks ago. NAVY was able to stay in a typical routine and play at home to boot.
I mentioned earlier, NAVY was a bad team to play against in a bowl. I loved the location because fans would be able to go but the matchup was not in our favor. Our D-line wanted nothing to do with the cut blocks and can you blame them?
One of the goals of this game was to come out healthy as one of Pitt’s weaknesses is depth (Thanks Chryst!). Guess what, they did. I was very glad to see Officer’s injury was an ankle and not a knee.
Factor in that it was Keenan’s last game and essentially a road game and that NAVY only had two weeks off vs. a month for Pitt, this was going to be an uphill battle and a steep one.
Add in that Pitt lost it’s OC and our DC’s wife had a baby the day before, are you guys really surprised that Pitt had a hard time?
Relax. Pitt, despite this loss, has some really good momentum going into next year. There is a positive buzz around the program and Narduzzi. Both locally and nationally. It’s going to take a little time. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold Pitt accountable. I’ll be demanding 10 wins again next year. If that’s what the goal is, we should hold them to it. But you also have to be realistic. Pitt does not have the same talent on the roster that Top 25 teams have. That’s the reality.
The coaching changes, the average recruiting, the purging of the rosters has taken a toll on the program. PSU had major penalties levied at them and Pitt still ended up with the worst end of the stick. It’s why Pitt is one of the youngest teams in the country.
Some facts for the future … D-line will be much improved and have better depth as soon as next year. PN has 6 DB’s in the class. All of them big and fast and capable of playing the physical man to man he wants. I’m not sure how many make an impact next year but the future is certainly looking bright.
EVERYONE will be in year 2 of the system. The defense will be at the level that PN wants relatively quickly and part of it will be because he didn’t scheme this year and play to his player’s strengths, but instead didn’t waste time and got his system in place to be ready for the future.
I’ve said all along, while keeping expectations high (10 wins – you’ll hear it again next year because that’s what you need to win the Coastal), that this year was all about implementing systems. PN is a system coach. Just like you have system offenses, PN runs a system defense. He had to get it implemented this year (hell or high water), even though he didn’t really have the personnel to run it properly. Slow LB’s and undersized DB’s and not much depth on the DL to keep a fresh rotation. It eventually caught up to Pitt when they played better teams. Most of us knew that first half of the year was a little bit of a smoke and mirrors act. We all saw the deficiencies.
Some of the more negative posters took joy in predicting the doom and gloom on the horizon but even the more optimistic posters saw the signs.
At times, the defense was exposed because of this. At times they over-performed. Remember, this is essentially the same group that House had last year. There is not a lot of talent on that side of the ball and even less speed.
Before the season started many thought Pitt would take a step back before going forward and that was with Conner still on the team. Pitt didn’t take a step back, yet some still complain … even when they thought it would happen. It cracks me up.
To the offense … a lot of you vastly overrated what Chryst did on that side of the ball. The o-line under Chryst were good run blockers but they never developed into pass protectors. I’d argue, based on the talent recruited, they have been somewhat of a let down and It carried over again this year.
The reason the TE’s have consistently disappeared in the passing game is because they have had to stay on the line as extra pass blockers because of the OL’s deficiencies at pass blocking. Chryst had built a one dimensional team. This group of coaches had to changed that. Balance on offense and defense wins championships. Chryst had neither.
The cupboard was also pretty bare at QB and WR and QB will be again next year as well. I think we’ll be fine at WR with the transfers and recruits coming in and the RB situation looks pretty good.
I really hope the new OC opens up the QB competition again. I know everyone hates switching QB’s every year but you have to until you find the one. I don’t think NP or Votyik are that guy. I’ll understand if they don’t but I really hope they do.
Next in line please step up.
I also really hope PN gets away from the pro-style, west coast offense. If he wants Pitt’s identity to be rushing the ball, you can still do that with a spread offense. Spread is a dirty word because it implies pass happy and gimmicky. It doesn’t have to be though. It really just means getting your playmakers the ball in space and you can be very balanced out of it.
I, also, personally think Boyd will do well at the combines if he choses to go pro. If you look at his freshman year with Savage at QB, he did fine running deep routes. His 40 time will make or break him though. He seemed to play a little slower this year.
Yesterday, I invited several co-workers to come out and watch the game with me(1 Pitt guy, 4 PSU guys.)
We played so poorly that the PSU guys started pulling for Pitt, something I could never reciprocate. It looked like a friggin’ Chinese fire drill out there.
Peterman ain’t got it, he ruined the first half of the Miami game and played throw it up for grabs against Navy. These last two games just felt like punches to the gut for the fan base.
Gotta get the horses in.
Top 3 jobs for a college football coach.
1. Recruit
2. Recruit
3. Recruit
wow, some people are hard on Narduzzi???
I know he’s been here 9 or 10 years, maybe it is time for him to go!!! LMAO!!!
I have to note that it is really clear Pitt does not view any of the active RBs as a game breaker. If they had one, Boyd and Whitehead wouldn’t be carrying the ball as much. Clear deficiency without Conner and Ibrahim, and I really do think Ibrahim would have made a huge difference this year. I really think they need to get Hamlin on board. Whitehead shows what a difference a playmaker can be and they definitely need them on defense. The good news is that barring any injuries, I think the O-Line will be one of the best Pitt has had in a long time. Nice depth and experience.
you make some good and funny points. i’m disappointed with the way the team came out against miami and now navy..flat flat flat..this should not happen, i did not expect that from a hcpn team, chryst? yes..
Also, I’m not good enough to determine whether a coach is good or not for 3 or 4 years into his tenure, after he has his recruits in place.
I guess some people are.