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December 7, 2015

Ending Up Down For Better

Filed under: Bowls,Football — Chas @ 8:42 am

The disadvantages of playing in the Military Bowl are obvious.

Considered a second tier bowl, by all standards.

Daytime, weekday game: Monday, December 28 at 2:30pm.

Being passed over by the ACC tier one bowl partners for teams with lesser records — two of whom Pitt beat head-to-head.

Opponent that is not from one of the other four major conferences.

An opponent that is hardly a rare occurence for Pitt in Navy.

Playing virtual road game in the bowl by facing Navy in Annapolis.

Now, the upsides:

It’s not Birmingham.

Not a hard roadtrip. Four hour drive from Pittsburgh, plus the Pitt Athletic Department is doing everything it can to make this easy with charter buses that are not exactly exorbitant.

It’s not going to El Paso for the Sun Bowl.

Playing a top-25 opponent instead of, say, Indiana. So, it is actually a good match-up.

Pitt was 5-1 on the road this year.

It’s not Shreveport.

Most of the outrage is the disrespect factor of the higher ranked bowls passing over Pitt for teams that did not have as good a record and/or played a bad non-con to pad their numbers (NC State).

I get that. If the bowls were a meritocracy. They aren’t. They are about TV and tickets. The one ESPN owns or are so out there (Sun Bowl) are about the TV eyeballs. The others are focused on ticket sales.

David Teel has a great piece on the bowl selections for the ACC (albeit with the VT angle).

The league’s bowls beyond the six controlled by the College Football Playoff are three-pronged. The Russell Athletic has the first choice of ACC teams after the CFP, followed by four Tier One games (Belk, Pinstripe, Sun and either Music City or TaxSlayer) and three Tier Two (Independence, Military and Quick Lane).

This is the second season under this arrangement, and with Clemson (13-0) making a CFP semifinal and Florida State (10-2) qualifying for the Peach Bowl, the Russell Athletic took North Carolina (11-2). That left Pittsburgh (8-4), Miami (8-4), Duke (7-5), North Carolina State (7-5), Louisville (7-5) and Tech.

The Pinstripe in New York wanted Duke and its Wall Street alums. The Music City in Nashville wanted Louisville. The Sun in El Paso, Texas was good with Miami. Done, done and done.

The Belk wanted the Hokies, but the ACC does not allow a Tier One bowl to select a 6-6 team instead of an 8-4 squad, and with Pitt still on the board, Virginia Tech was unavailable. So the Belk chose N.C. State.

Again. Local ticket sales. Between alum in Charlotte, and the reasonable drive within the state. Kind of easy call.

If you’re reading this that none of the Tier One bowls wanted Pitt, you’re correct. The Panthers had a terrific year under new coach Pat Narduzzi but don’t travel particularly well — their final two home games, against Louisville and Miami, drew announced crowds of 42,119 and 40,126 to 68,400-seat Heinz Field.

With the Tier One bowls slotted, Tech and Pitt were left for the Military and Independence. The Hokies defeated Cincinnati in last year’s Military, and the ACC and its bowl partners frown upon sequels.

But Military Bowl officials welcomed the idea of matching Beamer against homestanding Navy — the Hokies defeated the Midshipmen in 1987 for the first of Beamer’s 237 victories at his alma mater. The ACC, almost certainly on behalf of Beamer and Tech, declined.

Navy (9-2 entering Saturday’s game against Army) dusted Tulsa 44-21 two weeks ago and would have been a more formidable opponent than the Golden Hurricane. So Shreveport plays to Beamer’s pragmatic and sentimental sides.

Yes, Pitt could have ended up falling even further. Such that there was more than just a touch of sarcasm in Narduzzi’s comment.

“It’s a rocky road when you talk bowls and all the politics involved,” Pitt coach Pat Narduzzi said. “I’m just glad they didn’t leave us out. I’d have been disappointed if we didn’t get a bowl selection.”

There wasn’t a lot of subtlety to AD Scott Barnes thoughts on the process.

 Still, the Pinstripe Bowl opted for Duke (7-5) over Pitt.

“We were very pleased with our communications there,” Barnes said. “Why they chose Duke? You’re going to need to ask them.”

Barnes, in his first year at Pitt, added that the ACC’s bowl selection process was “less prescribed and more subjective” than previous conferences he had worked in. He admitted that there was likely a stigma attached to Pitt that its fans don’t travel well. To that end, Barnes has made a concerted effort to try to get fans to make the four-hour drive to Annapolis for this game.

There’s a chicken-egg argument to make with fanbase travel. Pitt has a reputation for not being a particularly good traveling fanbase. Especially for Bowls. Still, the last several bowls haven’t been hotspots. Detroit, Birmingham x 3, El Paso. Even the Belk Bowl in 2009 came on the heels of bitter disappointment with Pitt’s finish. Still, the reputation was there even before that point.

The best way to look at this game is as an opportunity. Navy is a quality opponent. The game is in reasonable distance of Pittsburgh and plenty of alum on the East Coast. The ticket allocation for Pitt is under 7,500.





Possible Pat Signals this weekend. A number of campus visits.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 1:17 pm

Pitt is paying its dues by taking a tier-2 opponent in the Military Bowl. HOWEVER, it is an honor to play in a bowl that honors our military — people who put their lives on the line to make our country a safer place in which to live. As I wrote earlier on this thread, the game has very little meaning as far as Pitt’s standing is concerned but is a reward for the players who deserve to have a good time in a bowl game. Hail to Pitt. Sink the Middies!

Comment by MariettaMike 12.08.15 @ 1:35 pm

wbb – love the Boeheim twitter nod but the one on Dana Holgerson was even better! Hail to the inbreds!

Comment by Pitt IT is 12.08.15 @ 2:08 pm

Over 4000 tickets sold so far. Should be a nice party.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 3:30 pm

POD, Keenan Reynolds is good but Roger Staubach is the best QB ever out of Navy. He won the Heisman in 1963 and of course is in the NFL HOF.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Comment by Jackagain 12.08.15 @ 3:37 pm

Reed
6-8 of us sitting in sec 127 with you. Hope we can connect. I’m really looking forward to a great game in a great venue against a ranked team.
1st tier 1st shmear no interest in a bowl game against unranked crap team like indiana the day after xmas.
H2P!!!!

Comment by Taxing Matters 12.08.15 @ 4:20 pm

Those worried about Pitt’s rating on the recruiting must remember schools with 25 recruits mostly 2s and some 3s will be higher than Pitt with 12 recruits averaging 3 stars. That is the case with WVU their overall star ranking is 2.6 while Pitt is 3.0 . When PN fills in his recruiting class his ranking will rise too. In the ACC Pitt at 3.0 star average was tied for 4th best recruiting class by star rating.

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 12.08.15 @ 5:32 pm

For those who can make the bowl game in Annapolis I read in another blog (maybe it’s above and I missed it) that Northrup-Grumann (sp?) is sponsoring a Bar Crawl.

Comment by Joe Bro 12.08.15 @ 5:47 pm

off topic but Lunardi now has Pitt as an 8th seed

link to espn.go.com

if memory serves, he didn’t have Pitt in the field in pre-season

Comment by wbb 12.08.15 @ 5:55 pm

Pitt is also ranked as the #6 bowl for gifts to the athlete’s which is most important.

link to sbnation.com

PSU = Tax Slayer = 33rd
WVU = Cactus = 20th

Comment by tedsptman 12.08.15 @ 6:47 pm

WBB you are correct, I think they have made great progress with their fight this year. At least they have heart, albeit by most of the transfers, and JR still shows like he is here for the free ride.

Comment by tedsptman 12.08.15 @ 6:48 pm

interesting fact (per Chris Peak tweet) — only one new HC of a P5 team had a plus effect compared to previous season

Comment by wbb 12.08.15 @ 7:01 pm

ted, not been a big JR guy but his shooting % has gone from .367 to .425 and 3 pt from .298 to .429.

Obviously it is very early and against weak competition, but it is encouraging. Especially the three point shot.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 7:08 pm

It is all about the swag.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 7:12 pm

wbb – if you remember I did an pre-season article where I talked about the fact that a college team that had between 5-7 wins the year before usually got a .5 game boost from a new HC in their 1st season.

That was one of the reasons I predicted 6-6 or 7-5 with some lucky breaks.

Pleasantly surprised to be wrong on that one.

Comment by Reed 12.08.15 @ 7:15 pm

Reed, one reason for that was that we should have won 8-9 games last year and if not for a completely incompetent d-coordinator, and an unaggressive o-coordinator, and very poor special teams we would have.

The amazing thing is that Narduzzi won 8 games after losing Conner.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 7:26 pm

What Lunardi understands is that Sterling Smith is a major upgrade from an injured Cameron Wright. Wilson is already far superior to Josh Newkirk. Maia, Odoba and Luther are better than Randall, Ochebo and Nwankwo. Artis and Young are now juniors and Robinson is a senior with a better surrounding cast.

I think Lett is having a positive impact on Maia’s inside game.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 7:35 pm

ESPN predicts Pitt loses to Navy by 10. The prediction says Pitt unhappy with getting jobbed by the ACC bowl selection process.

I’m not buying it. If anything, HCPN is spinning this game positively to his team and the “jobbing” will be pin up material in the locker room.

This team will come prepared, focused and motivated to win. Remember 35 years ago when the Pitt D lead by Hugh Green stuff the Heisman Trophy winner from South Carolina in their bowl game?

Let ESPN and the other sports networks hype up the Navy run attack all they want. We’ve got answers for the run, we’ve got half time adjustments that work and we’ve got our own potent run attack (when used).

HTP!

Comment by Erie Express 12.08.15 @ 7:42 pm

Hope Lett has a positive effect on JD’s recruiting (of a legit 5)

Comment by wbb 12.08.15 @ 7:42 pm

GC, I’m not talking about his Offensive game. That’s always been his swag and dishing assists (Granted not what we all thought but progress is progress) but it’s more on the defensive end. I get the feeling (living and watching the Mavericks here in DFW) he is more of a Deron Williams kind of player on that side of the floor which is what boggles my mind on why Dixon puts so much trust into him.

Comment by tedsptman 12.08.15 @ 7:46 pm

gc… when giving Narduzzi praise… you have to factor in that while he did LOSE Conner… he also GAINED Peterman.

I would argue an EQUAL trade… and my HIGH REGARD for Conner is well documented.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.08.15 @ 7:49 pm

Pitt would have won NINE Games last year… with Peterman and Conner… and despite OUT-House.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.08.15 @ 7:50 pm

I think Rickie Jackson had 17 Tackles that game. After Hugh’s Bone Crushing Hits on Rodgers. He was scared Shitless to run at Hugh the rest of the game.

Comment by Tackle made by Hugh 12.08.15 @ 7:54 pm

And imagine that Ricky Jackson is the ONE enshrined in Canton.

Who would have thunk it?

Comment by PittofDreams 12.08.15 @ 7:59 pm

Jaymar Parrish at 6’2″ 270 lbs is bigger than the Navy front seven EXCEPT their NT at 6’2″ 297 lbs. The Navy NT is from Greensburg Central Catholic.

Run the ball 40+ times with Jaymar leading the way spells VICTORY.

The formula for win # 9. My Christmas present for OC Chaney.

Comment by Erie Express 12.08.15 @ 8:00 pm

Reed
Just got 127A tickets. Let me know when and where to meet and if anyone needs any transportation.

Comment by Frank MD 12.08.15 @ 8:14 pm

In BB news:

# 20 Gonzaga @ 5-2 plays tonight against unranked Montana who is 3-3.

Unranked Pitt @ 6-1 is idle tonight.

The voters must not have seen the first half of Pitt vs Gonzaga game in Oquinawa…but the Purdue game was viewed by many, I’m sure. Hmmm…

Comment by Erie Express 12.08.15 @ 8:42 pm

The only thing Pitt has to Fear is Fear itself. Pitt will win BIG. Its the Narduzzi affect.

Comment by TX Panther 12.08.15 @ 8:44 pm

Let’s stop dissing the Naval Academy and the Military Bowl … let’s move on … go out and play, win against a Top 25 team and let the chips fall where they may. Save that anger for next year’s ACC schedule and beat all those schools that supposedly got better bowl’s than we did ! H2P

Comment by Tomas 12.08.15 @ 9:14 pm

PoD, no doubt Peterman made a difference, enough to offset Conner, debatable. I think Conner would have made a difference against Iowa, UNC, and Miami. Maybe enough to win two of the three.

Agree Tomas, I am going to the Bowl Game and probably would not have been able to go anywhere else. Maybe NYC, but Indiana, c’mon.

We are playing a worthy foe in a worthy bowl.

Comment by gc 12.08.15 @ 9:29 pm

Bought 8 tickets today and very excited about the venue and the game. Have no idea why they want to play it at 230pm on a weekday, but happy to get a post-game crack at the wonderful pub scene in Annapolis.

Comment by Joe L 12.08.15 @ 11:27 pm

Navy’s offense has been good against us in the past. We have a new D and we have seen Georgia Tech this which runs a very similar offense.

Our Offense has been able to run through Navy’s D and that won’t change we should score almost every time we get the ball. Navy is a flashy pick and they are playing at home so they are favored.

I will be there and would not have IF it had been elsewhere.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 12.08.15 @ 11:28 pm

The ACC really did us PITT and Steeler out of town fans BIG favor. Where else other than going to Pittsburgh can a Metro NJ guy get “twofer”?

I’m trying to talk my son and two grandsons into a road trip. Maybe take the train ride down.

For us it is about a four hour drive. I’m thinking about the exodus of the Florida snow birds on Rt 95 right after Christmas.

Stay by the Harbor in Baltimore after the Steelers Sunday night, then to Annapolis the next day.

Another Christmas present for the guys.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 12.08.15 @ 11:36 pm

off topic .. North Allegheny’s Curtis Aiken Jr has scored 27 and 22 points in back to back games. He is a 6’2 soph, and yes, JD has offered.

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 6:40 am

to add to off topic (above)

Aiken did not look great in the game where he scored 22 points

did not play like a D1 recruit

Comment by notTimGrgurich 12.09.15 @ 6:52 am

Here are the ACC FB attendance figures. Look who is at the very bottom. But, blame the Pinstripe Bowl more than the ACC, they make the final decision.

I’d rather play Navy on the 28th than crappy Indiana on the 26th anyway.

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 7:20 am

Here is the link per my above post

link to accsports.com

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 7:21 am

20 from York har. in 127A staying at loews would love to meet the faces of these PROMINENT posters

Comment by paul shannon 12.09.15 @ 7:27 am

will be the “HONOR CONNER” group

Comment by paul shannon 12.09.15 @ 7:28 am

Comment by Reed 12.09.15 @ 7:36 am

I’m putting together an article detailing all the Annapolis info and suggestions for meeting etc… will have it up later today.

Comment by Reed 12.09.15 @ 7:38 am

Pitt’s Brown, Oklahoma’s Bosworth tops Hall class
Former Pitt offensive lineman Ruben Brown highlighted a College Football Hall of Fame class Tuesday that included former Oklahoma All-America linebacker and two-time Butkus Award winner Brian Bosworth.
Bosworth helped the Sooners win a national title in 1985 but failed a drug test that got him suspended from a bowl game.
Others inducted were Trev Alberts (Nebraska), Bob Breunig (Arizona State), Sean Brewer (Millsaps), Wes Chandler (Florida), Thom Gatewood (Notre Dame), Dick Jauron (Yale), Clinton Jones (Michigan State), Lincoln Kennedy (Washington), Michael Payton (Marshall), Art Still (Kentucky), Zach Thomas (Texas Tech), Heisman Trophy winner Rick Williams (Texas) and the late Rob Lytle (Michigan). The coaches were Jim Tressel, who led Ohio State to a national title in 2002, and 76-year-old Bill Snyder, who has won 193 games in 24 seasons with Kansas State.

Read more: link to triblive.com
Follow us: @triblive on Twitter | triblive on Facebook

Comment by Reed 12.09.15 @ 7:48 am

Dec. 7, 2015
PITTSBURGH – In Arizona’s 27-3 victory over St. Louis on Sunday, Larry Fitzgerald became the youngest player in NFL history to reach 1,000 career receptions.

The former Pitt star became just the 11th player in NFL history with 1,000 career receptions, and in the process he also went over 1,000 receiving yards this season – the seventh time in his career achieving that milestone.

WATCH: Larry Fitzgerald’s 1,000th career reception

link to youtu.be

“The personal stuff is all good, but I’ve done all the personal stuff, the Pro Bowls,” Fitzgerald said. “That stuff is great but when your team is having success – the only thing I need, personally for me, to feel like my career is fulfilled is a championship. Each win gets us a step closer, and that’s what it’s about.”

The eight-time Pro Bowler is arguably having the best season of his 12 year career with 91 receptions for 1,047 yards and seven touchdowns. The Cardinals are 10-2 this season and have the NFC’s second best record.

Fitzgerald’s career has Canton written all over it. He currently has 1,000 receptions for 13,198 yards and 96 touchdowns.

In Arizona’s postseason run to the Super Bowl in 2008, he shattered NFL postseason records with 30 receptions for 546 receiving yards and seven touchdowns.

In just two years at Pitt, Fitzgerald etched his name into the record book, setting the benchmark for receiving yards in a season (1,672 in 2003), touchdown receptions in a season (22 in 2003) and career receiving touchdowns (34).

Fitzgerald and the Cardinals host Minnesota this Thursday night at 8:25 p.m. in a primetime NFC showdown.

Comment by Reed 12.09.15 @ 7:59 am

hope I didn’t steal your thunder Reed, but you all may appreciate our opponent a little bit more after reading the attached

link to cbssports.com

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 8:56 am

Keenan Reynolds OVER-load.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.09.15 @ 10:08 am

wbb… from the article you posted.

“Navy went into this season trying to get Reynolds the FBS rushing touchdown record, previously held by former Wisconsin Badger Montee Ball, who finished his career with 77 rushing TDs.”

Unfortunately, one of those TDs punctuated a Reynolds’ ORCHESTRATED COMEBACK against Pitt a couple of years back.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.09.15 @ 10:11 am

Like, I said… “many” believe he is in the argument with Staubach as being the BEST NAVY QB All-time.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.09.15 @ 10:13 am

Scott Barnes @PittADBarnes
Over 5,100 bowl tickets sold! Thank you Panther Nation! Keep it going and let’s sellout this allotment. #PittRoadTrip #H2P

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 10:49 am

Got my seats today. Looking forward to seeing all of you.

UPitt/ EMel … Why not make the trip. Steelers Ratbirds
Sunday night. Great Casino 20 minutes from Annapolis!

Really expect Duzz and staff to out coach Navy. Get up on em early and make Navy pass to beat you.

Never will forget Wanny’s strategy in 2010 of making Pitt’s D
linemen wear catcher’s shin guards in practice. Pitt’s defense
spent the entire game looking down for cut blocks and lost 48-45 in OT.

Comment by Dan 72 12.09.15 @ 12:47 pm

That was in 2007. But Wanny learned his lesson because Pitt won at Navy 48-21 in ’08, and then again at home in ’09 27-14.

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 1:03 pm

Practicing against a scout team vs the real thing can be two different things … but having 2 1/2 weeks and the previous experience vs GT can only help

Comment by wbb 12.09.15 @ 1:06 pm

Travesty that Navy QB Reynolds not even invited to NYC for Heisman dinner. Calling out those who did not vote for him.

Comment by Frank MD 12.09.15 @ 1:56 pm

@Comment by Frank MD 12.09.15 @ 1:56 pm

It’s not a travesty, Frank. He was never going to win – and I’m a Navy fan. An outstanding young man and QB – but that’s just the truth of it.

Beat Army!

Comment by BostonsCommon 12.09.15 @ 2:00 pm

Pitt fans think we got screwed with this bowl. How do y’inz think navy feels? There ranked and all they can pull is this bowl vs Pitt….lol

Comment by Dcpinpgh 12.09.15 @ 2:05 pm

Wannstedt ‘learned his lesson – he replaced Rhoads with Bennett at DC

Comment by notTimGrgurich 12.09.15 @ 2:55 pm

I knew he would not win but not even too the dinner with the other candidates.

Comment by Frank MD 12.09.15 @ 3:56 pm

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