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July 3, 2015

Heading out this afternoon to see family. Unless something big happens, I’m not going to be getting back on the computer until Tuesday.

Going to pull a few tabs I’ve been meaning to hit (two for quite a while).

You know how most Americans think of themselves as middle class? Or moderate, politically? That’s how most college sports fans think of their views towards star-rankings in recruiting — a favorite topic of Reed’s.

We believe that maybe we have a slight lean or bias either towards the raw talent versus the development and evaluations by coaching staffs. Reality becomes a subjective thing…

I’m starting to digress.

This article hits on not just coaching staffs finding diamonds in the rough, but players that would be missed because they were playing out of position.

A college coach who hits on about half of his recruits does pretty well. That may seem like a low expectation, but, in their evaluations, college football coaches must deal with the trickiest variable of all: puberty. Most males undergo radical physical changes between age 15, when they start getting recruited in earnest, and age 22, when they typically graduate from college. So, coaches must master the process of projection.

NFL teams have entire scouting staffs devoted to evaluating prospective players. They can ask potential draftees to undergo elaborate medical tests, which show everything from a player’s recovery from injuries to the density of his bones. They also have a distinct advantage, as everyone they evaluate is at least 20 years old.

College coaches aren’t so lucky. They can’t medically evaluate players, so they must rely on observation, experience, genealogy and old-fashioned intuition as they try to decide whether a 200-pound high school quarterback might someday grow into a 260-pound defensive end. Or whether a 240-pound high school tight end will leave for the NFL as a 300-pound center.

There’s a bunch of successful anecdotes in the story, and this one came back to me after Terrelle Pryor was cut — again — from an NFL team. After which, Pryor’s agent, let word out that Pryor was (finally) willing to switch positions from QB to WR — and was quickly signed by the Browns. (Yet, Pryor still can’t quite admit that.)

One of the anecdotes concerns Larry Fedora — presently the UNC head coach — when he was at Southern Mississippi, and finding Jamie Collins. Dan Mullen at Mississippi State quizzed his own coaching staff on how they missed the kid.

After Collins blossomed at Southern Miss, Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen asked his assistants why they didn’t make a run at the prospect in the 2009 recruiting cycle. The answer? Mullen and staff arrived between December ‘08 and January ‘09. They lacked the time to do the same homework as Fedora’s staff, which arrived in the state a year earlier. However, once Mullen and his staff settled in, they also began to find Miracle-Gro gems.

Coaching turnover does more than simply hurt recruiting with decommits, it means new staffs having to play catch-up on evaluations and everything else.

Bigger coaching salaries, bigger expectations, and fan bases that will ask, “we are paying that kind of money to finish last?” That’s going to be at least one group of fans of a school in the SEC West, as every school in that side of the conference is paying their head coach at least $4 million/year.

But the SEC has become almost a different level entirely, with nine of its 14 coaches making at least $4 million. Even Kentucky is paying its football coach, Mark Stoops, more money ($3.6 million) than national runner-up Oregon, which just extended Mark Helfrich for $3.5 million per year.

“Nebraska is one of the winningest programs in history, and they just hired another head coach from a Power 5 league (Oregon State’s Mike Riley), gave him a million-dollar raise and what he’s making at Nebraska would put him last in the SEC,” Mississippi State athletics director Scott Stricklin told USA TODAY Sports. “So the SEC is pretty committed to the sport of football, and I think we’re mirroring our fans’ passion and interest in the sport.”

Mississippi State was the last SEC West school to announce a new contract for its coach this year, following Arkansas, which raised Bret Bielema from $3.2 to $4 million, and Ole Miss, which bumped Hugh Freeze from $3.15 to $4.3 million following interest from Florida.

Market forces dictate it, more than anything else. But I’m sure Pitt fans would never go to the rate of pay as the basis of complaining. Nope. Never.

Marquee non-con games are increasingly held at neutral sites, rather than set as home-and-home. Why? It’s always about the money.

Non-campus games are profit-driven. Just because your school could contend for a title doesn’t mean it’s attractive.

Will you and at least 20,000 of your friends cough up for a $150 ticket and two nights in a hotel? Schools need to prove drawing power to neutral-site organizers.

Schools that tend to appear in Atlanta and Dallas boast massive fan bases — Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Auburn — or are locals like TCU who can help fill Cowboys Stadium.

And organizers want stability.

“[The time between planning and the game] is getting shorter, but we’re still looking at the coaching situations,” said the city source. “Let’s say last year we signed Michigan to come in here in ’17 to play a Power 5 team. Now maybe Jim Harbaugh doesn’t want to travel to open a season or wants a softer schedule as he starts to rebuild. Depending on how the contract is built, you could be stuck, or you could have a losing program coming in here that isn’t ready for that kind of game.”

Don’t expect to see Pitt in one of these games for a while.

Happy 4th everyone.





Pitt needs a Phil Knight or T Boone Pickens type alum who will buy property in the adjoining Hill district and erect a 48k stadium

Comment by wbb 07.05.15 @ 2:34 pm

Meanwhile, Joe Starky is beating the drum for the renewal of the Brawl game with the hoopies.

link to triblive.com

Starkey quips:
“Meanwhile, if traveling to Morgantown is a problem for some Pitt fans, I’ve got a great solution: Don’t go.”

Great solution Joe….who needs fans to supprt your team on the road…idiot. And why should our fans get to see a game in civilized safety like they get on the road on a regular basis?

1) Why help moomshine addled hoopies with the IQ level of Jethro Bodine get a foothold again in our recruiting area? Out of sight….out of mind for area high school kids.

2) Why give them a local game to help their travel budget?

Would the game be entertaining? Sure, but it’s not worth the fact that Pitt fans can’t attend games on Morganhole safely, and this would only help them in recruiting….not Pitt at all.

When was the last time Pitt got a great recruit out of WV? Make WVU wallow in the away travel nightmare they greated for the next 15-20 years before even considering playing them again. Meanwhile we’ll have PSU & ND to play and any other ACC rival we create to play.

Comment by Jackagain 07.05.15 @ 2:48 pm

A stadium is not happening. Sucks but is the reality of the situation. People blame SP for tearing it down and erecting the Pederson Event Center but, as Reed pointed out before, that was a plan already in motion.

wbb’s right – it will take a few Super Boosters to even be a talking point. City real estate is too expensive. It’s not like they can buy a couple of cow fields and erect one. Without boosters, it will take at least a decade of sustained top 10 success to get there. Even that would be a catch 22 because Heinz would most likely become a successful venture, due to Pitt’s winning, leading to consistent attendance.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 07.05.15 @ 2:53 pm

I love the Backyard Brawl. Miss it. The Pitt/PSU rivalry was dead before I got to Pitt in 93′. I’m the oldest of 6 and the other 5 went to PSU so that game will mean something when it finally happens but until then, the Backyard Brawl was the game I looked forward to every season. Notre Dame was always fun but WVU is the game I most enjoyed. It’s a travesty it’s not on our schedule. PSU and WVU should be played every year … just not road games in the same year. Have the rivalries set up to when we play PSU at home, we WVU that year and vice versa.

I’ve been to several games in Morgan Town with zero issues. Is there hate for Pitt? Of course but it’s always been directed at the field. WVU definitely hates Pitt more than we hate them.

Go see the Steelers in Baltimore and then rethink how you feel about WVU fans. Makes them look like Wimbledon onlookers.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 07.05.15 @ 3:08 pm

Pitt will never have a home field advantage at Heinz since it’s off campus and too large. And is voted as one if the blandest pro stadiums out there. Very cheaply built.

And Texas will be back but it will never dominate the state again. The smaller schools spent the money on facilities and coaches and are aligned with good conferences. Texas much like Pedo State will always have more alumni, boosters and money. But it’s how you spend it that counts.

Comment by TX Panther 07.05.15 @ 3:12 pm

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Starky’s comments are spot on. Playing Marshall is
ridiculous; so is Akron, YSu, and Cincy. Never going to make everyone happy. Play WVU on national tv or Marshall on ESPN 3? Starkly is right if you don’t agree with the game don’t go!

Can we please move on from the on campus facility? Not going to happen ever! Suggest all de centers focus on winning games and watch Heinz field start to rock!

Comment by JR 07.05.15 @ 3:19 pm

Not playing WVU is terrible. It’s Pitt’s only real rival.

I don’t give a shit about recruiting footholds. Is it too much to ask to have one meaningful game on the schedule? Not that I don’t love the ND game, but WVU is so much more fun. Pitt is just another game on the Irish schedule, and I’m pretty sure Pitt will be just another game on the PSU schedule.

Comment by Chris 07.05.15 @ 4:13 pm

People also said we’d never go to the moon and would never cure polio and that a whole bunch of other things would NEVER happen. How can you be so sure. Please tell me YOUR plan when Heinz has outlived its life in 15 years and the Steelers move to Washington County. If you were Pitt, would you want to be held with the maintenance bill on a facility used 5 times per year? The best thinkers begin thinking before others finish their dreams.

Comment by TX Panther 07.05.15 @ 4:14 pm

PSU is number 1 rival. Cannot play both PSU and WVU in the same year. That would leave 2 open spots. Only 1 if ACC goes to 9 games.

Comment by Frank MD 07.05.15 @ 4:24 pm

they can’t play both each year if they are going to schedule the likes of Cincy, ND and Ok St … there goes the 6 and 6 and a Tire Bowl

Comment by wbb 07.05.15 @ 4:43 pm

To hell with Cincy and ok state. Give me the Pedos and Hoopies each year. No patsies. So what if we don’t schedule three easy wins each year like some fakes. Respect is earned by who you face. Win or lose. Rivalries make the college experience. Come back to the East my Nitter and Hillbilly friends. Well maybe not friends but rivals yes.

Comment by TX Panther 07.05.15 @ 5:37 pm

Go USA woman soccer. Got to visit Vancouver. Looks like one great city. USA 2, Nippon 1

Comment by TX Panther 07.05.15 @ 5:39 pm

All I can say is start winning an average of 10 games a season for a few years and then I’ll be glad to listen about any discussions concerning OCS. Otherwise, priorities seem somewhat out of order.

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.05.15 @ 6:18 pm

I’ve been to Vancouver twice. It may well be my favorite No American city

Comment by wbb 07.05.15 @ 6:29 pm

Never play West Virgina. It’s a lose/lose.

Strong decisional ability and overall strategy can lead to a successful athletic department, not emotional reaction. It’s all about sound strategy and anything to do with WVU and sometimes in my mind, ND, lacks strategic importance. Play teams in the east and particularly the eastern shore states. That is a recruiting priority.

Don’t believe me? WVU in 2014 played Towson and MD OOC. In 2013, William & Mary, MD & GaSt. In 2012 it was James Madison and MD. In 2011 it was Norfolk ST, MD, USF,Clempson. They understand how to recruit the eastern and southeastern shores. We don’t. Let them get their power 5 some other place. Now if you ask me whether Pitt should try to get a series with Maryland, I would support that for sure. And Navy. And William & Mary. Have a strategy that aligns with the demographics of ballplayers/recruits. Get away from emotional decisions of others and learn how to strategically decision.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 07.05.15 @ 6:29 pm

Much agreed TX

Comment by Kvah 07.05.15 @ 6:31 pm

Blowing out W&M isn’t going to get any Virginia recruits. Playing a big rivalry game with a packed stadium on ESPN will.

Comment by Chris 07.05.15 @ 8:15 pm

Granted, We dont get much recruiting leverage by playing the Hoopies, but they are a rival and rivalries are good for fans. I’d love to play Maryland and Butgers given the recruiting area and close proximity. Please no more MAC schools. No more D2 schools. Pedo State, Domers and Hoopies should be priorities 1/2/3. No other team should get in their way.

The Hoopies may not be strategic but they are a good time and much hatred and banter. The Domers are nationally and internationally relevant. Always fun beating arrogant teams. The sheep rapers think Pitt City is arrogant. I just think they are dumb hicks hence my attraction to a beat down. If you attend college, at least get a real degree from a real school. A glorified high school granting degrees in riflery doesn’t cut it.

Comment by TX Panther 07.05.15 @ 8:37 pm

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