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February 24, 2015

It has been a couple decades since Pitt the waning days of the college basketball season wondering if they did/will/can do enough to make the NCAA Tournament. It has been rather straight forward for Pitt. Either they were clearly good enough that the issue was seeding. Or the Panthers were simply bad and not in the conversation. As such, the understanding of the bubble can be a bit confusing.

So, to simplify things, I’m going to put a little primer on Pitt’s situation. It’s not all encompassing, but it hits the key point.

Quick disclaimer, I hate “bubble talk” while the season is ongoing. That major media outlets start talking about in January is right up there with mock-drafts months before the event. It has become more pervasive on-line, however, for one simple reason. People not only click on the stuff. They engage and argue passionately — albeit, meaninglessly — about it. They get ridiculously fired up for no reason.

Talking about the bubble once the season ends, before, during and especially after the conference tournaments. I’m all in.

With my disdain in mind, it is time to start.

1. Any talk of Pitt and their place on the bubble deals with right this minute. Not by the end of the season. Not after the ACC Tournament. It is all about what they have done to this point. Once you start saying things like, “…but, what happens if…” you are going into speculation and all the variables start to kick in that lead to the arguments

2. You are biased.Even if you watch a ton of college basketball, you have almost certainly watched Pitt the most frequently. You are much more familiar with their work than other teams. Especially other teams about in the same position Pitt finds themselves. Quickly looking at another school’s resume does not make you knowledgeable of their status.

[As a corollary to this, don’t cherry pick your numbers to confirm your biases. I am aware of my own issues with this. I love tempo-free stats. Especially the work on KenPom.com. In past years, Pitt has been a darling of that rating. Even moreso at points than the RPI. That has led me to citing it more often than RPI. This year, though, Pitt is getting destroyed in the KenPom and most tempo-free computer/stat ratings because of the defensive issues. The RPI, however, has been much kinder to Pitt. So I have found myself looking at that a little closer and even citing it because it makes Pitt look better.]

3. Ignore what announcers say about bubble teams during the game. If there is an SEC game on ESPN, you can bet the announcers will puff bubble SEC teams (Georgia, LSU, maybe even Florida and Alabama).  Big 10? Michigan State is now a lock. In an ACC broadcast, all of the sudden Pitt looks like it is surging into the field with NC State. Why? Because in preparation for the conference game, they get tons of talking points, data out of context and information. Not just from the schools on the court — which may not include said bubble teams — but the conference itself. Conference flacks are vested not only in those teams playing at that moment but making the entire conference look really good and pushing their members forward.

4. It is not just the big wins, but also the bad losses. It cannot be stated how bad that loss to VT was for Pitt. It was losing-to-Rutgers bad. Sub-200 loss. Glaring, glaring loss. Couple it with the loss to Hawai’i — who had been looking almost respectable for most of the season, but is now free-falling — and it is the biggest reason Pitt is not discussing seed rather than place on the bubble.

Last year, while Pitt had no great wins during the regular season, they also lacked any bad losses that provided an excuse to leave them out of the dance.

Once you have those basics, it’s time to try and read the tea leaves with every game that matters.

5. Unless you have beaten the team trying to pull an upset, you have to root chalk. Teams that are already safely in the field just can keep rolling because it reduces the potential field of teams below.

When Kentucky goes to Georgia next Tuesday, every impulse will scream for the big upset. No, Georgia is a bubble team while Kentucky is a lock. Can’t root for the chaos and fun that would come from that upset. Probably the worst thing about being a fan of a team on the bubble in my view. Takes the fun out of those things.

Kansas State beating Kansas last night was good for Pitt. Very good as it likely pushed K-State back up in various ratings. Suddenly that K-State wins is back to being a win over an RPI/Ken-Pom/BPI top-100 team. There aren’t many of those.

Now when it is in conference games, it gets a little trickier. Louisville-GT last night saw the Yellow Jackets find yet another excruciating way to blow/lose a game. Pitt would have benefited more from a GT win since it would have ticked GT’s numbers up to make the win look better. Louisville losing would have been negligible for Pitt since their computer numbers wouldn’t move out of the top-25. Still would have been losses to a top-25 team.

6. Other bubble teams need to fail. Runs along the same lines of rooting for chalk. Here’s a list of just some of the teams that need bad losses or losing streaks: Cinci, Butler, OK St., St. John’s, Illinois, UCLA, Stanford, LSU and Georgia. When they lose, then Pitt looks better and rises by default.

7. No losing. It all becomes moot if Pitt loses any of their last four games. BC and WF would be bad losses. Miami would be a loss to another team on the bubble. Failing to finish at FSU for the season would just be another game that Pitt could not win on the road this year.

Even then, I think Pitt would need at least one win in the ACC Tourney to make the strongest case.

Snap judgments after every game. Every opponent’s game is just working yourself up for no reason. There’s still 2 weeks until the conference tournaments.

Oh, and if Virginia Tech could pull off the miracle win against Duke or UVa, that would probably help.





Haugton stinking? Just an assumption … probably a good one nonetheless

Nix, a minute or two at a time? an exaggeration .. yet it would be a pleasant surprise if he averages anything > 16 mpg

Comment by wbb 02.24.15 @ 3:48 pm

@Comment by wbb 02.24.15 @ 3:48 pm

If Haughton could contribute anything offensively… ANYTHING… Hell, if he could manage to not be a liability he would get on the court. He must be bad enough that they can’t run the offense with him on the court… Like he can’t set the screens, or catch the ball, or anything. Jamie must consider it like playing offensive with 4 guys.

And I don’t think it’s an exaggeration with Big Ro’. If a 350 man sprints up and down the court a couple times in transition, he’s gonna have to take a break… seriously, like 2 fast breaks in a row and he’s gonna have to come out.

And assuming his game is good enough to even get on the court immediately, which I don’t think is a given.

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.24.15 @ 3:58 pm

I’ve never come close to calling for Dixon to be
fired. Have had my share of criticisms, but I’ve also said this will be Dixon’s best coaching
year if he get’s them into the tournament.

He still has some work to do to get me to
say that. ND, UNC, Syracuse (2), were fun and as excited as I’ve been at the Pete.

Gotta finish off the year though.

Comment by Dan 02.24.15 @ 4:17 pm

Olberman?? I hate Penn State with every bone
in my body.

He’s a real A.H. for tweeting that when it was
about raising money for children’s cancer.

Comment by Dan 02.24.15 @ 4:18 pm

It’s not a given that Dixon would want Haughton on the court no matter what this year. Playing Haughton 5 minutes a game this year doesn’t help a ton. But by redshirting him this year, you are guaranteeing a big off the bench when all the Sophs are Seniors. If Dixon thought Haughton had no potential then I’m sure he’d be playing now.

Nix is averaging over 30 minutes a game and is pulling down double doubles. So I’m pretty sure he’s running up and down the court a decent bit. He is also planning on losing additional weight. Why bury the kid before he has even stepped on the court here? If he’s on the court 15 minutes a game that’s a big plus.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.24.15 @ 4:20 pm

link to slamonline.com would bring us back to the top.

Comment by steve1 02.24.15 @ 4:28 pm

@Comment by Wardapalooza 02.24.15 @ 4:20 pm

He’s averaging 23 minutes per game…. against JuCo talent, where he isn’t forced to expend the amount of energy required to defend the way Dixon will make him.

link to stats.njcaa.org

I want his game to be legit. I don’t want to bury him… As a matter of fact, he’s the type of guy I’d want Dixon to bring in out of high school so he can red shirt him and sit him for a year or two while his game and body develop.

But the concerns about him stepping onto campus next fall and being effective immediately are absolutely legit.

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.24.15 @ 4:37 pm

@Emel 02.24.15 @ 2:11 pm – thanks for deciphering my junk. No English major here.

Comment by TVax 02.24.15 @ 4:44 pm

NP….YW TVax.

TY….Ward

This Pensacola State College would be equivalent to what:

Point Park
CCAC
IUP

???

Comment by Emel 02.24.15 @ 5:01 pm

@Comment by Emel 02.24.15 @ 5:01 pm

Lol… Exactly.

My guess is the AAU circuit offers more competition.

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.24.15 @ 5:25 pm

There’s an old country song “were you born an asshole or have you been won all of your life.” The perfect description of Keith Olbermann… Asshole extraordinaire

Comment by BigB 02.24.15 @ 5:36 pm

Correction above… One not wonbut I am enjoying your analysis on the basketball situation… Let’s get off Olbermann… Thought of him makes me want to puke

Comment by BigB 02.24.15 @ 5:38 pm

Anyone have any idea how Haughton looks in practice? Is there any chance he contributes next year?

Nix has improved quite a bit. As a senior in high school only averaged 3.8 ppg and 6 rpg. 1st year in JUCO averaged 5.5 ppg and 3.8 rpg. This year almost a double double at 11.2 ppg and 9.6 rpg. But what does that translate to against D1 and ACC competition?

I would love to see Diallo here but I don’t see it happening. 247 Sports doesn’t even mention Pitt in their crystal ball prediction. They list Kansas as the front runner followed by Iowa St and then Kentucky.

This team has a chance to really be special the next 2 years. Without a big man, not nearly as much. Jamie really needs to string together a few good recruiting classes to get us back to being a perennial top 20 program or better that competes for conference championships. Not a team that is fighting for its life to not be left out of the dance for the 2nd time in 4 years…

Comment by Pap76 02.24.15 @ 5:39 pm

I see Vincennes College is in this division.

Bob McAdoo came out of there. But he was like tearing it up. Was Junior College All-American.

We had some kid from Connors State JC a while back. Can’t remember his name. Maybe someone does.

Vincennes is ranked #1 and undefeated this year(28-0). Anybody from there, JD can bring aboard.

Apparently nobody goes to these games.

link to stats.njcaa.org

Comment by Emel 02.24.15 @ 5:39 pm

@ Pap76

I believe sos22 mentioned that Haughton had trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time. Or words to that affect.

Diallo has Pitt in his Final 5. I posted a link last nite late, about that.

The experts in that said Diallo is used best, when used to beat other bigmen down the court for dunks, etc., in an uptempo fast break offense.

Comment by Emel 02.24.15 @ 5:48 pm

Diallo isn’t coming to Pitt then.

Would love to see some FUN and EXCITING basketball played at the Pete just one day.

Probably never see it with Dixon being coach and recruiting the stiffs he does.

Comment by TX Panther 02.24.15 @ 6:16 pm

Here ya go Pap76

link to espn.go.com

Comment by Emel 02.24.15 @ 6:17 pm

@Emel

Thanks. I did know we were in Diallo’s final 5.

I just don’t think we get him. 247 Sports predict a percentage of where they see kids going. For Diallo it was Kansas at 44%. Iowa St at 28% and Kentucky at 19%. I guess that leaves Pitt and St. John’s splitting the remaining 9%. Uptempo fast break offense, you don’t hear that and Pitt hoopps in the same sentence. Ever.

Not that 247 is all knowing, they gave us a 4% chance at landing Jordan Whitehead…

Comment by Pap76 02.24.15 @ 6:47 pm

Those prediction services are bologna… If thy were worth a damn, PSU and O$U would have 75 kids in every recruiting class and UCLA, UNC, and Duke would have 25 man classes every year in hoops.

Diallo is a long shot with a couple blue bloods in the mix, but Jamie did get him on campus a couple times, and the kids PG has already signed on, so we’ll see.

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.24.15 @ 6:59 pm

247 prediction is just based on what writers tweet and whatnot. Not always based on inside information. Just what they think.

The most I will expect from Nix is 15 minutes a game. But that’s enough. I got my Nix stats from a different site. Thanks for that link. It looks like he is playing more minutes as the season goes on which shows he is getting in better shape. His coach played in JuCo and then immediately made an impact. Who knows though.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.24.15 @ 7:08 pm

Comment by steve1 02.24.15 @ 7:10 pm

A couple of things. No one knows what Nix or Haughton look like on the court until we see them play. JD could be holding back Haughton for next year as he has Uchebo & Randall and he maybe about the same as those guys now and could benefit red shirting and having 2 years remaining. Sure that’s a guess but it makes as much sense as saying he stinks because he hasn’t played yet.

Diallo isn’t saying a word to anyone. You would think he would want to go somewhere and play right away as he’s thinking he’s one & done.

Adams pulled that off here and there’s no reason he can’t. If he were to go to Kentucky or Kansas his time would be limited or heavily contested. At ISU, St John’s, or Pitt he in guaranteed A LOT playing time.

As for the bubble we win and there is no bubble. We got the tough part of the schedule out of the way. Many of the other bubble teams are playing the best of the best in their conference.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 02.24.15 @ 8:37 pm

link to pittsburghpanthers.com

Rozelle bio from Nov

Comment by wbb 02.24.15 @ 9:09 pm

@TX Panther

Are you really Upitt?

Artis and Young certainly didn’t look like stiffs last night. Artis hasn’t all year and is shaping up like an all conference player. Young was a top 100 player out of high school and looks like it.

Also, I attended the ND, UNC and Cuse games this year. Those games were very exciting and the crowd was totally into every game.

I’m not sure what you’re looking for but I do find it interesting that you made your comments about the quality of basketball on a thread speculating about Pitt’s prospects for making the tournament (again).

Comment by Barvo 02.25.15 @ 5:01 am

Pitt needs to consistently recruit players like Young and Artis. Too many misses over the years. Too many project players. You know why Pitt is a BUBBLE? Its Dixon’s recruiting. However, His coaching this year is one of his better performances with the lack of elite talent on this team. You need elite players to dance far come tourney time. Maybe Artis turns out to be the critical piece. Stop being so sensitive.

Comment by TX Panther 02.25.15 @ 12:28 pm

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