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February 20, 2015

PITT’s Running Backs from ’75 on…

Filed under: Football,Players — Reed @ 11:39 am

PITT TOP TEN RUSHERS OF ALL TIME

Name Seasons Total Yards YPC TD:Carry Ratio
  1. Tony Dorsett
1973-76 6,526 5.6 19.7
  1. Ray Graham
2009-12 3,271 5.5 18.6
  1. Curvin Richards
1988-90 3,192 5.5 34.3
  1. Craig Heyward
1984, 86-87 3,086 4.5 28.5
  1. Dion Lewis
2009-10 2,860 5.3 18.1
  1. LeSean McCoy
2007-08 2,816 4.8 16.7
  1. Billy West
1993-97 2,803 4.9 28.6
  1. Elliott Walker
1974-77 2,748 5.7 16.5
  1. Curtis Martin
1991-94 2,643 5.1 34.5
    10.  J. Conner 2013-14, 2,564 5.7 13.0

 

I find this listing interesting as it shows pure stats and, in turn productivity, yet you can’t tell what factors affected these RBs in producing those stats.  Did the fact that Curvin Richards played two years with Alex Van Pelt cut down on the number of TDs he had?  In 1989-90 they played together and during that stretch Van Pelt threw 31 TDs and Richards only scored nine so most probably yes.

In the QBs have big TD numbers  it has affected these RBs opportunities to score on the ground .  That makes sense and has been the norm  at PITT over the last 40 years. Another thing to wonder about is how did playing with other good RBs at the same time cut into these guys’s productivity?

Tony Dorsett had Elliott Walker playing alongside him and Walker cut into carries that Dorsett would have had in 1975.  Dorsett dropped to 255 carries and Walker chipped in with 161 that season.  Even then Dorsett still had 1686 yards for a 6.8 YPC!  The next season, our championship year, Dorsett jumped back up to 370 carries for 2150 and Walker dropped down to 85 attempts.  Conner played alongside Isaac Bennett his first season and that cut into what Conner could have done.  Bennett actually had more carries (171-146) and Conner had a slight lead in yards (799-797).

Imagine if Dorsett was getting that 370 carries back in ’75 when he had that great 6.8 ypc.  He would have run for 2516 yards which almost matches the 2014’s NCAA leading rusher, Melvin Gordon of Wisconsin, who racked up 2587 yards on 343 carries behind that great OL which was a 7.5 ypc (!) and that is fantastic for that many carries.

What really jumps out is just how very effective James Conner has been with his running.  His career YPC is great at 5.7 (ties Walker) but what is outstanding is his career TD to carry ratio at 13.0  However, if you look specifically at last season he had 26 TDs on 298 carries for an 11.5 Carry to TD ratio.  That, my fellow PITT fans, was the best in the NCAA and it blows any other past PITT RB out of the water.  All in all James Conner is pretty well ahead of our recent ‘star’ RBs by a wide margin when it comes to TD:Carry ratio.

Conner 5.7 a TD every 13.0 carries
Graham 5.5 a TD every 18.6 carries
Lewis  5.3 a TD every 18.1 carries
McCoy  4.8 a TD every 16.7 carries
Bennett 4.7 a TD every 22.0 carries

The odds are that Conner will bolt for the NFL at the earliest opportunity and that is how things go these days.  But should Conner stay for that fourth year and carry his current production through the 2015-16 seasons he would end up with:

Dorsett 1163 carries 6526 yards 5.6 ypc 59 TDs
Conner 888 carries 5128 yards 5.8 ypc 68 TDs

 

Basically, we have been blessed with some very productive kids over the last eight years and some true stars over the last 40..





Thanks for the research Reed. Was wondering where Kevin Barlow fit in to the pit running back statistical picture

Comment by BigB 02.20.15 @ 12:02 pm

I remember Barlow being really good in 99 and 2000 .. especially vs ND in last game at Pitt Stadium and vs BC at 3 Rivers in 00.. 247 yards?

Comment by wbb 02.20.15 @ 12:13 pm

11/21/00 Pitt 42 BC 26:
Barlow had 234 total yards, 209 rushing
I remember it being a pleasnt fall day watching a pretty exciting game … lots of big plays

11/13/99 Pitt 37 ND 27 before 60,190
Batlow 19-71; Nick Goings 15-65
Barlow had 2 2nd half TDs including the one that put the game away with a couple minutes left

Comment by wbb 02.20.15 @ 12:23 pm

also, 11/24/00 Pitt 38 WVU 28
Don Nehlen’s last game
Barlow rushed 33 times for 272 yards

Comment by wbb 02.20.15 @ 12:25 pm

here are Barlow total Pitt Stats — so he must have been 11th or 12th

Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
1997 Pittsburgh Big East RB 7 27 108 4.0 2 6 140 23.3 1 33 248 7.5 3
1998 Pittsburgh Big East RB 9 121 533 4.4 4 11 140 12.7 1 132 673 5.1 5
1999 Pittsburgh Big East RB 10 141 630 4.5 6 6 94 15.7 1 147 724 4.9 7
2000 Pittsburgh Big East SR RB 11 197 1053 5.3 8 13 134 10.3 1 210 1187 5.7 9

Career Pittsburgh 486 2324 4.8 20 36 508 14.1 4 522 2832 5.4 24

Comment by wbb 02.20.15 @ 12:49 pm

Barlow is number 11 on the list. Conner passed him last season. Unless I am wrong then wbb will correct me.

Comment by Reed 02.20.15 @ 12:50 pm

@wbb

I was at that Pitt WVU game. Barlow was running wild and showed no signs of wearing down. Thought he had a real shot at TD’s 303 record.

If I remember right Harris pulled him halfway thru the 4th. At least I think. That was 15 years ago and I’m sure a lot of alcohol was consumed that day.

I do remember us givin it to the Hoopie fans as they headed for the exits

Comment by Pap76 02.20.15 @ 12:56 pm

So fan favorite Tom Bradley is heading out to UCLA. Looks like some sources at UCLA aren’t thrilled to have him…

link to bruinsnation.com

Comment by Tony77019 02.20.15 @ 12:56 pm

Really puts things in perspective with this kid. He’s going to leave for the NFL as the most productive back in school history, trailing only the legend in most statistical categories..

I’d like to know how many conference Players of the Year were on 6-6 teams? You just couldn’t ignore the season he had. Second best in school history, behind the Legend’s championship run…

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.20.15 @ 1:08 pm

I still say he should be at DE

Comment by wbb 02.20.15 @ 1:27 pm

wbb,
Your sarcasm is second to none!

Comment by pittman4ever 02.20.15 @ 1:32 pm

We really have enjoyed some great running backs. When you see that Randy McMillan can’t crack the top ten.

Also to have Elliott Walker at the same time as TD. Amazing. Dion and Ray at the same time.

Comment by gc 02.20.15 @ 1:50 pm

So Conner should be number 2 on the list after this year.

Where is Boyd on his respective list, I imagine he has easily cracked the top ten.

We also had Charles Gladman the same time we had Ironhead.

Comment by gc 02.20.15 @ 2:04 pm

Marshall Goldberg ran for 1957 yards from ’36 thru ’38. 2 national titles, 2 times All-American and 3rd in Heisman.

Just wanted to be sure we covered all our bases.

Will not provide data for Brandon Miree or Bryan Thomas

Comment by wbb 02.20.15 @ 2:05 pm

Conner has three things going for him, an exceptional offensive line, he got the vast majority of carries, and a relatively weak passing game by today’s standards.

Not a shot at Conner, but football is not played in a vacuum.

Comment by gc 02.20.15 @ 2:16 pm

@GC

Boyd is currently 3rd in catches, 7th in yards, and even with a down season will finish as the all time leader in both categories. And likely will finish 2nd to Fitz in TD receptions…. Assuming of course he leaves after this season.

What point are you trying to make about Connor?

He’s not as good because the line is above average? The fact that he is so much more talented than his teammates, earning the bulk of the carries is somehow makes him less of a back? Or that his season was less spectacular because the passing game was below average?

If anything, it makes his year stand out even more, knowing that every team was gonna line up with 8 and 9 in the box to stop him… and they still couldn’t do anything.

I don’t know what your getting at…. but any attempt to lessen his achievement last year is akin to trying to lessen Donald’s the previous year…

They both had outstanding, historic, seasons…. In the vacuum, out of the vacuum, and more importantly, on the field.

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.20.15 @ 2:31 pm

Larod & Shady was a pretty nice combo too. It’s too bad Rashad Jennings only lasted a year at Pitt or we would have had him at that time as well. I think Conner & James can be as good as any combo Pitt has had.

Comment by Nick 02.20.15 @ 2:44 pm

@gc

Forgot about Gladman #32 if my childhood memory serves me well.

Remember Brian Davis. He could have been great if had the grades to stay in school

Comment by Pap76 02.20.15 @ 3:22 pm

@Reed – thanks for the analysis. Great work!

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.20.15 @ 3:46 pm

If Conner runs the ball like he did last year (beast mode) he will be out half way thru the season with an injury. I love James Conner but there is no way he is in the same class as TD. TD was a once in a life time and his body was able hold up. I hope Narduzzi and company find a balanced attack where Conner stays healthy.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 02.20.15 @ 4:04 pm

Im not saying PITT deserves to be in the tourney based on this season, but i dont understand how TULSA is in and PITT isnt even considered on the bubble by most experts.

Heres a comparison

link to cbssports.com

Comment by rhyno527 02.20.15 @ 4:07 pm

^^^^

For whatever reason the link didnt work but plug in tulsa and pitt to compare instead of IU and Purdue

Comment by rhyno527 02.20.15 @ 4:08 pm

Snake on snake. Jerry Sanduskeys lawyer changed with stealing over 500,000 from 3 of his other clients. Probably build a statue for him.

Comment by alcofan 02.20.15 @ 4:22 pm

gc – I just posted in the article that he had less carries in his FR year then did his backfield mate Bennett. Conner had 25 less carries in 2013 than Bennett had.

Even last season when he racked up that big yardage he just had 19 more carries than did his offensive backfield mates; 298 to 279 (Voytik, Bennett, James and Ibrahim. The reality is that of the top 25 rushers in the NCAA conner had six RBs get more carries than he did. It is his ypc average that really helps to get all those yards, not so much the number of carries.

Comment by Reed 02.20.15 @ 4:29 pm

What’s even more disturbing about Sandusky and his cohorts is: they were using the Second Mile as a tax write off.

So not only was his using his charity to target boys for his perversions/pedophilia, he was using the charity as a tax write off.

Assisted with by this slimebag legalman no doubt.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 4:40 pm

@ChrisDokish: Pitt lost out on Omari Spellman. He chose Villanova. That’s a big loss for Dixon who has a habit of missing out on such players.

Comment by NickC 02.20.15 @ 6:26 pm

Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour donated $100,000 to the Nittany Lion Club’s “Bridge to the Future Fund,” the university announced Wednesday. Wonder if Steve P ever donated a red cent to Pitt?

Comment by bob 02.20.15 @ 6:37 pm

That sux Nick.

But hey we got a 2 star center coming in with offers from Norfolk State, Idaho, Moorehead State, Bowling Green and Loyola Marymount.

Nothing to worry about.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 6:37 pm

2/20/2015 – 2016 PF Omari Spellman (6-9, 272, 4.7?) | Overall Rank: 18 | Position Rank: 6 committed to Villanova. – Per Link

BREAKING: ESPN #60 PF (#17 overall) Omari Spellman has committed to Villanova.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 6:39 pm

Don’t get it.

Pitt plays Duke, Syracuse, North Carolina, Louisville, Notre Dame, Virginia, etc.

Villanova plays Xavier, G-Town, Butler, Marquette, St. John’s, etc.

The ACC games are featured on ESPN, 2-4 times per week.

BigEast games are floundering on Fox Sports with minuscule ratings.

Pitt plays at a gorgeous NBA type venue.
Villanova plays at a small fieldhouse.

Pitt is in Pittsburgh, which is head & shoulders and appears a lot as Top 10 city in best places to live, above Philthadelphia.

I just don’t get it.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 6:44 pm

There is nothing BIG about the BigEast anymore.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 6:46 pm

Boston, not trying to demean Conner’s season it was as Reed says the best. Just pointing out what contributed to it. Clemmings and Rotherham deserve a lot of the credit.

Also the TD to carry ratio is obviously helped by not having a QB that needed to pad his TD numbers.

One of the criticisms of the decision not to run Lynch and throw for the TD was in the NFL and in college they usually try to make the QB the star.

Conner had a record setting year, I hope he does it again, but it was far from a balanced offense and we finished at 6-7.

Comment by gc 02.20.15 @ 6:46 pm

Did anyone send a copy of the Pittsburgh Magazine to Omari ?

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 6:47 pm

Is there any chance that either or both Conner and Boyd stay for there senior season??

Comment by Keith 02.20.15 @ 6:58 pm

We would throttle Psu if they stayed!!

Comment by Keith 02.20.15 @ 6:58 pm

Opening line in Vegas for tomorrow’s game just out Cuse -5. Don’t see any way Pitt wins this or covers but I will be rooting hard for us to overachieve again. H2P!!

Comment by Dan 72 02.20.15 @ 7:01 pm

Pitt’s not even listed as an offer in this ESPN article. Heck St. John’s is even mentioned.

link to espn.go.com

Our status as a top tier program is falling fast.

Totally different dynamic going on in ACC basketball in regards to Pitt’s status.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 7:04 pm

It’s okay to miss on Omari Spellman. We will plod along and hope. Right now, we win 20 games a year with a run up to 25 every 5 years. Our best opportunities are for the Teammates from Our Savior. IF we can get them, our chances of Sweet 16 relevance happens instantly in my opinion and we return to 25 wins consistently.

When is the signing period for bball? I thought it wasn’t until April.

@gc – you indicated above that it was helpful to Conner to have an average to weak qb. I would argue that his accomplishment was even greater because opponents stuffed the box to defend the run, knowing the passing game was high schoolish.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.20.15 @ 7:05 pm

Double digit losses in 3 of the last 4 seasons and the other year having 9 losses would seem to indicate, that we are trending downward.

The media is taking notice, by not even mentioning us any more.

Very sad to see this happening. But it’s clearly there.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 7:10 pm

It is April ddaddy.

Spellman recently took a visit to Villanova and they closed him.

Kid never even visited Pitt. 🙁

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 7:14 pm

ESPN Basketball Recruiting Rankings.

link to insider.espn.go.com

Even Pedo State is ranked above us. Double Oy

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 7:17 pm

Archie Griffin won two Heisman’s on a team that hardly threw the ball.

Comment by gc 02.20.15 @ 7:18 pm

Speaking of Griffin.

link to worthly.com

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 8:03 pm

I count at least 3 Ohio Fakers of the 20 listed as biggest Heisman winner busts.

And of course the qb bust who the media gave the Heisman to instead of our own Larry Fitzgerald.

Pitt should have at least 3 Heisman winners.
Dorsett is one, Hugh Green and Larry Fitzgerald should have been, instead finishing #2 in the balloting.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 8:12 pm

Omari Spellman wasn’t being recruited by Dixon. There are 50 plus other kids that Dixon won’t get because he’s not pursuing them.

The Legion of Doom may want to start getting on him about those guys as well.

Where’s Upitt???

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 02.20.15 @ 8:30 pm

Looking at that top 10 RB list, Dorsett is the clear cut best of the bunch. But who is #2? I gotta go McCoy, with Richards 3rd. Say what you want about Pitt football, but we have been blessed with some amazing talent at RB. Curtis Martin is a Hall-of-Famer, and I’m not sure he cracks the top 5 on that list.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.20.15 @ 9:27 pm

“John Carroll quarterback Mark Myers ranked No. 9 by Mel Kiper heading into NFL combine.”

Did Tiny even get ranked by Mel Kiper ?

Hey but Zeise insisted Tiny gave us our best chance to win I believe.

What does Mel know, right.

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 9:50 pm

Comment by Emel 02.20.15 @ 9:51 pm

Just watchedg Pitt commit Dane Jackson go for 22 in a loss vs Vicentain

Comment by alcofan 02.20.15 @ 10:15 pm

@@@@@@

If Adams and Durand were playing you Dixon
critics would be jumping on the bandwagon. Get
off JD’s back.

You guys prove it is easier to go negative than be a positive
force.

Comment by JR 02.21.15 @ 6:32 am

@ JR,
You are so right. Add in Birch who would be a senior and this Pitt team would be a top 10 easily.

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 02.21.15 @ 8:12 am

Tony Dorsett might have been the best college back in history.. He was robbed only getting one Heismsn. Archie Griffin was no where near as talented. Hugh Green should have had one also.

Comment by Jimbo 02.21.15 @ 8:43 am

what is wrong with you guys …. Adams and Birch have been long gone!

Don’t get me wrong, I am for JD and think Pitt will be really good the next 2 years, but he has had plenty of time to get another decent center(all he needs is someone who can defend.)

I have a sad feeling that if Pitt loses today, it will again because we could not defend the opponents’ big man.

Comment by wbb 02.21.15 @ 8:55 am

Christmas sure went off on Louisville. He really broke out this year after scuffling through his undergrad years. It’s not uncommon for big guys to blossom late. But Pitt doesn’t even have that developmental guy.

Imagine Pitt this year with Christmas at the 5. Someone said this earlier, maybe Pitt and Syracuse can work a trade.

Until this team proves it can play 40 minutes on the road, I expect them to lose. Today is another L.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.21.15 @ 9:17 am

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