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February 13, 2015

Fun With Numbers: Close Losses

Filed under: Football,Numbers — Chas @ 8:22 am

Offseason football stuff means digging around the numbers.

Earlier in the week, ESPN.com writer David Hale started tweeting out some stuff about close losses. Surprise, Pitt was one of the hardest luck teams when it came to that.

The number is already engrained in the minds of every player at Pitt: 20.

That’s how many points separated the Panthers, who finished 6-7, from being 11-2 last season. It’s a number that defines their failures in 2014 and their motivation for 2015.

“Our new strength coach actually wrote it up on the board,” Pitt quarterback Chad Voytik said. “So we’re using that as fuel for the offseason. If we don’t finish a drill or finish team conditioning, we’re saying, ‘If you don’t finish a spring, you’re not finishing a game either.’ But there’s a level of frustration, too. We know we could’ve been a whole lot better, and we’re looking to change that.”

Pitt and VT both had five losses by seven or fewer points. No other team in the major conferences had that many. Pitt was 1-5 last year in games decided by seven points or less (thanks again, VT), culminating in the blown Armed Forces Bowl.

Hale also noted that over the last five seasons, only Iowa (18) had more losses by seven or fewer points than Pitt (17). In that same stretch, Pitt won 9 games by 7 or fewer points. 9-17 in games decided by seven points or less. I’m still letting that sink in.

If you are wondering how that broke down by coaches, well so did I:

Chryst (and interim HC Rudolph): (2102-2014) 6-9

Graham: (2011) 2-4

Wannstedt: (2010) 1-3

26 out of 65 total games in the last five years decided by 7 or fewer points. 40% of the games Pitt played. 33-32 overall record. 53.1% of Pitt’s losses were by 7 points or less. 28.1% of the wins were that way.

And we wonder why Pitt fans hold on to losses so long. Hard not to, when over half the losses were within a single score of being something else.





The heart break hurts all over again.

Comment by Tackle made by Hugh 02.13.15 @ 8:33 am

If it wasn’t for the big changes in football and Pitt admin, I think a lot of us Blatherites would have pulled an Elvis and “left the building”!

Comment by Complit 02.13.15 @ 8:34 am

And folks wonder why us Pitt fans are so disgruntled. I’d be curious to see who scored last in those close games and at what point in the game did the last score occur.

Comment by Yeti 02.13.15 @ 8:36 am

^^ At least until Spring Football – we are mostly “football masochists” ^^

Comment by Complit 02.13.15 @ 8:36 am

I’d like to see who had the best record and see how they did it.

Comment by alcofan 02.13.15 @ 9:00 am

In Pro Football and Baseball it is the team that wins the most close ones that are the Champions. You have to win your one run ball games.

Good teams win the close ones. I guess the opposite is true, Poor teams lose the close ones.

Winning the close ones is what separates the Champions from the also-rans.

Comment by gc 02.13.15 @ 9:10 am

When you look at stats like that, you want to tell yourself that the team is so close to being good…

But there are so many different things that go into losing all those close games..

Poor QB play from a kid that never came from behind.

Special teams gaffes… missed FGs and returned TDS.

A leaky defense that can’t make stops.

Conservative play-calling.

Coaches not putting the guys in the best position to win (see Houston and outHouse’s playcalls)..

This team has built it’s identity based on absurd losses… snatching them from the jaws of victory.

I’m glad they realize how close they’ve been… but what are they prepared to do about it?

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.13.15 @ 9:19 am

At least the 40% weren’t blow-outs!! We have been treading water in the Sea of Mediocrity for 30 years.

Comment by BigB 02.13.15 @ 9:22 am

I firmly believe the new coaching staff is smarter and will work harder than 20 points over a season. In my opinion, close losses are a symptom of a failure to make adjustments. Narduzzi is famous for making adjustments, often by getting player input at the most critical times.

Comment by 66Goat 02.13.15 @ 9:57 am

Although it seems close, we all know there
is so much that goes into it, that there’s a sea to cross to win those games.

If you think about it, what’s it take to get to
one of the BCS big 6 or 7 bowl games??

10 or 11 wins. That’s it. If you win 10
or 11 games, you’re going to a big bowl game.

It’s that easy and that simple.

It’s not like we’re playing 100 games and you need to win 95.

We win 6 or 7 every year. All we have to do is win 3 or 4 more games, and we’re top 20 and going big time bowling.

Just a simple 3 or 4 more wins a year, that’s it.

But, we all know, that gulf from 6 or 7 wins to 10 wins is monumental.

Those little 3 or 4 wins takes you from
mediocrity to top 20.

Hopefully we’re on our way.

Comment by Dan 02.13.15 @ 9:59 am

Tyler Boyd tweeted “5:30 am training” the other day. No emotion expressed along with it.

Comment by steve1 02.13.15 @ 10:00 am

Part of playing close games is the number of long possession time drives. A strong running game and short possession passing runs clock. A running clock limits the number of plays by an opponent and possessions for both teams.

Of course they should be close games. And it shouldn’t be a shock that Iowa is in the same boat. Both teams have had average talent that ran the ball to control the game. Not big runs. Run, run, short pass…rinse, repeat.

This also goes to the coaching staffs inability to put teams away, both offensively and defensively. How often have we watched a game where we were a yard or two short of getting a first down at a critical juncture? How many 3rd and 10 or more successes by our opponent.

Statistics are what you say they are.

Remember the Steelers tried the motivation “just 3 more yards” when they came up short against San Diego. Spin it how you would like. It was never about those 3 yards. It was always about the team not executing throughout the game and making it close at the end. A true pick’em scenario. If this helps the guys to focus, that’s great, but in my opinion the game is 60 minutes of pure passion, focus, and physicality. We tend to concentrate on final scores versus entire games!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.13.15 @ 10:09 am

EVERY time after one of the above mentioned L’s my WVU buddy would text me saying “what another brutal loss for Pitt.” After the horrendous bowl loss I texted back to him “I’m not surprised or upset,I’ve been conditioned for this all season. In fact this game perfectly exemplifies Pitt’s whole season.
BUT WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!
(I’m out of years now with this guy – we better produce this season! :>)

Comment by pittman4ever 02.13.15 @ 10:09 am

well, you can provide all of the mathematical analysis you want … the bottom line is W-L .. and there is little solace here for what could have been.

(In 09, we lost to NC State, WVU and Cincy by a total of 11 pts, or we could have been undefeated — BFD)

The solace here should be not so much be that we could have won more games, it’s that we have a lot of returning players who for the most part were very competitive last year, and are a year older.

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 10:26 am

wbb – and that is a real positive even though at this point, in my mind, it hinges on how well the coaches can get the kids to produce.

66goat – do you mean 20 more points on offense? If so I am skeptical. But if you mean holding teams to 20 less points then I can certainly see that.

Comment by Reed 02.13.15 @ 10:39 am

Reed, agree, I’m just saying at this point in time, this provdes hope for the fans as well as something the team can learn from and build upon

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 10:44 am

Two major reasons for these close losses – mediocre QB play and down-right poor DE play.

Just one more stop would have given Pitt the win in many of those close games. Best way to get a stop is to get a sack or hurry the QB into a bad throw… We haven’t seen much of that for a while.

The QB play has begun to step-up and will continue to improve; I wish I could have the same confidence in the DE play…

Getting a couple more stops per game is the biggest need and the biggest challenge for the new coaching staff.

Go Pitt.

Comment by MajorMajors 02.13.15 @ 10:45 am

So wait…this means that Pitt was 24-15 in games decided by more than 7 points??? Yeah baby! Come to Pitt – we rarely get blown out!

Comment by Iron Duke 02.13.15 @ 10:48 am

I would have to add one more big reason for the close losses from 2010 thru 2013 … the OL, which consistently broke down in the 4th quarter.

In close games last year, and even in losses vs Duke & UNC where we were just uutscored, we were able to run well late in games. We has no such luxury the previous seasons .. and if behind, we were forced to pass and the opponents knew it.

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 10:51 am

Here are the games we lost by less than a TD:

1. Iowa (H) 24-20 outscored 24-10 4th Q; Iowa scored last 10 points (PITT led 20-27 going into 4th Q)

2. VA (A) 24-19 PITT scored last; We blew the last-gasp on-side kick.

3. Duke (H) 51-48 Duke scored last in OT

4. NC (A) 40-35 NC scored last; a TD with 50 seconds left. (PITT led 28-26 going into 4th Q)

5. Houston (N) 35-34 Houston scored the last 21 points deep in the 4th quarter. (PITT led 24-66 going into 4th Q)

So, in four of the five losses the opponent scored last and in three games PITT led going into the 4th quarter.

IMO at least two of those games should have been wins – Duke with the last second missed FG and Houston. But it does show that we fizzled in the last quarter. Narduzzi has to address that.

Comment by Reed 02.13.15 @ 11:03 am

Other then that VA game.. Pitt SHOULD have won the other games.

But being a pitt fan is a world of shoulda, coulda, woulda.

Comment by Snala the Panther 02.13.15 @ 11:34 am

I expect this Pitt Football team to look and act like a well coached team. I expect this terrific group of coaches to teach players to think on the field, act and make decisions based on the staff’s imparting of details, and make the routine plays well….routine.

When that happens, Please txt will have wins instead of close losses.

Comment by Dan 72 02.13.15 @ 11:35 am

JP Holtz ?@jp_holtz86 2 hours ago

Our team is grinding! Expect big things next season #H2P

Comment by steve1 02.13.15 @ 11:43 am

I still say the biggest problem to overcome will be the poor pass rush. This also allows teams to come back late in games. Looking at Dokish’ evaluation of the line, the D-Ends still appear to be our weakest position. Many games are won late when pressure is applied, the QB fumbles, or is forced to throw a poor pass which is intercepted.

We have been on the wrong side of this equation for too long. I don’t know if Narduzzi has the guys to get it fixed this year, but it must be a recruiting priority for next year.

Comment by gc 02.13.15 @ 11:51 am

@steve1

Interesting. The guys reportedly loved the new S&C guy last year. It sounds like Holtz (and Boyd from a post earlier) are buying into the new guy. I hope so.

I love that the S&C guy posted the “20” on the board, as stated by Voytik.

H2P

Comment by pmdH2P 02.13.15 @ 11:56 am

I say we petition the NCAA to give us those wins because the players that are here now shouldn’t be penalized. We are also conditioned to hear that croc of crap too. If it was Penn State, they would get the governor to file something ludicrous like that and succeed.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.13.15 @ 12:07 pm

link to post-gazette.com

Gotta be a tough thing to go through.

Comment by BostonsCommon 02.13.15 @ 12:15 pm

Reed – I was referring to the difference of 20 points between a 6-7 season and an 11-2 season as pointed out by Chas in his post. Now whether that is better offense (probably not) or better defense (probably so) or special teams, conditioning, talent, etc. who knows?

I just think somehow this new coaching staff will do 20 points better (in difference). I wonder what works out to be in $/point!

Comment by 66Goat 02.13.15 @ 12:40 pm

Why Chas? Why? You filled me with so much rage with this article. Why?

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.13.15 @ 12:48 pm

Off topic but just in case anyone cares — the NBA D-League All-Star game tips off at 2:30 Sunday and is being televised on NBA TV.

Both Talib Zanna and Khem Birch are playing.

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 2:56 pm

Khem WHO???

Comment by pittman4ever 02.13.15 @ 3:26 pm

It appears our BB team is unfortunately becoming one of the “Kings of ESPN3” and no longer a household name on ESPN and ESPN2, or even ESPNU.

Comment by pittman4ever 02.13.15 @ 3:31 pm

Coverage for PITT – UNC per ACC website

link to theacc.com

A lot better coverage on real channels.

Only one other game at noon tomorrow Clemson – VT. They are on regional cable sports channels.

Comment by PITT-cocks Fan 02.13.15 @ 3:42 pm

Pitt – UNC on WDCA TV in MD, DC, VA

Comment by Frank MD 02.13.15 @ 3:51 pm

To be oh so close yet oh so far. Pitt is such a tease.

Comment by TX Panther 02.13.15 @ 3:54 pm

I’m sorry but I attribute a lot of the close losses to coaching. The prior staff was always good for a head scratching call or 2 every game. Plus we know all about the defense’s inability to make big stops when the team needed them.

Now, there will be growing pains with this new staff, but nobody can convince Pitt is not better off with Chryst back in Madison.

Next year’s schedule will be tougher, so we should be realistic with expectations. That said, I am so friggin pumped for some spring ball. No doubt in my mind that this staff will be working their asses off on the recruiting trail also.

Hail to Pitt!!!!

Comment by Pap76 02.13.15 @ 4:14 pm

………..addition by SUBTRACTION

NO MATT HOUSE = Better DEFENSIVE Performance!

Keep the faith brothers (…and sisters)…better times around the corner.

🙂

Comment by The Truth 02.13.15 @ 4:15 pm

Great. It’s on TV in NYC which means it is blacked out on ESPN3. Since I will be at work, I won’t be able to stream it. Sucks.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.13.15 @ 4:24 pm

@Pitt Dad

I had to look at ESPN3 site to see if blacked out in South Carolina. Grand kids are visiting & usually don’t want to watch sports.

Anyway, ESPN3 map looks like it isn’t blacked out in New Jersey, Lower NY % Conn.

It is blacked out in S. Carolina.

Comment by PITT-cocks Fan 02.13.15 @ 5:30 pm

Line just out in Vegas has NC -5. I like Pitt for the first time all year. NC plays no defense, runs and guns and falls apart when they are slowed down.

Pitt’s high gear is 20 mph slower than NC’s low gear.

Comment by Dan 72 02.13.15 @ 5:40 pm

If we are poking sharp sticks in our eyes and kicking our own fans asses right and left then here is a great bit of info (put away the sharp knives):

DW’s Losses:

2005 -71 points differential on season / 6 losses = 11.8 ppg

’06 – 80 points / 6 losses = 13.3 ppg

’07 – 79 points / 7 losses = 11.2 ppg

’08 – 40 points / 4 losses = 10.0 ppg

’09 – 11 points / 3 losses = 3.7 ppg

’10 – 65 points / 5 losses = 13.0 ppg

DW’s average loss was by 12.4 ppg

PC’s Losses:

’12 – 80 points / 7 losses = 11.4 ppg

’13- 69 points / 6 losses = 11.3 ppg

’14- 57 points /7 losses = 8.14 ppg

PC’s average loss was by 10.3 ppg

Ipso Facto PC was a better coach than Wannstedt, Harris and Jock Sutherland and comes in 2nd all-time behind Pop Warner.

Comment by Reed 02.13.15 @ 5:56 pm

off topic but Dokish just said he watched a game that Nix played in and said Nix was much better than he thought. He also tweeted “Nix moves much better than you’d think. He’s not just big. He has skills. He can rebound, score in the paint, & pass. And he hustles a lot.”

I’m not expecting Harrell, but just maybe there is hope

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 6:22 pm

Good start for the baseball team. Destroyed the Billikens of St.Louis 18-1 in their season opener today.

They play K State and Ohio St. tomorrow and Sunday to finish out the Snowbird’s Classic.

They play Pedo St at home 3-17. I’m on vacation that week. Think I’ll check that game out

Comment by Pap76 02.13.15 @ 6:47 pm

Don’t know if anyone posted this earlier but I just saw in the P-G that Alex VanPelt was named Quarterbacks/Wide Receivers Coach for the Packers.

Comment by Annie 02.13.15 @ 7:01 pm

DiNucci and Pilato to play in Big 33 (also Givens and Petrishen). Mike White believes that Whitehead turned down the invite, since he was an obvious choice

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 7:17 pm

Last chance weekend, beat NC and then VA, and go dancing.

The Zoo will be rocking if we can stay competitive.

Can’t wait.

Comment by gc 02.13.15 @ 7:22 pm

PITT is a FB school, please don’t forget that!!

Aside from that here’s to PITT winning two BB games in a row!

Comment by Reed 02.13.15 @ 7:31 pm

The games on ESPN3 are only blacked out if they are airing on TV … a non-ESPN channel. You just have to find it.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.13.15 @ 8:10 pm

We just require a little candy to get our MoJo on. Give me somed M&M’s.
MOTIVATION
MOMENTUM
Two essentials ingredients for success!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.13.15 @ 8:19 pm

Ipso Facto PC was a better coach than Wannstedt, Harris and Jock Sutherland and comes in 2nd all-time behind Pop Warner.

Comment by Reed 02.13.15 @ 5:56 pm

Quite the comedian Reed. Fact is Paulie made more boneheaded coaching decisions than a Pop Warner League coach.

Comment by Emel 02.13.15 @ 8:55 pm

Pitt is a football school. If only for the fact it’s the ONLY sport I do believe, we’ve ever been declared National Champions in.

So by default, Pitt is a football school.

Comment by Emel 02.13.15 @ 8:57 pm

We’ll be Motivated for sure. Pitt B-ball hasn’t brought the Momentum this year. It just isn’t part of their spice rack.

Comment by TX Panther 02.13.15 @ 8:58 pm

Finally the Pitt bb game is on in some N. Carolina markets. (like all of them)

But wait…we’re playing the Tarholes.
Only reason why.

Comment by Emel 02.13.15 @ 9:00 pm

Paulie could find his way out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel with a police escort leading the way. That cheese-head smells worse than Limburger.

Comment by TX Panther 02.13.15 @ 9:01 pm

Could not that is. I still think Paulie is lost somewhere between consciousness and fairy world.

Comment by TX Panther 02.13.15 @ 9:03 pm

Tim Brando is announcing game tomorrow. Last time he was here, Pitt was playing in Fitzgerald, he’s really taken by The Pete

Comment by wbb 02.13.15 @ 10:19 pm

Congratulations PITT Baseball. That’s a nice 18-1 win over two time defending A-10 champ, St Louis. It would be nice to follow up with wins over K-State and the Buckeyes over the weekend…. oh, and for what it is worth, the softball team is 7-0 to open the year.

Comment by Pantherman 02.13.15 @ 11:32 pm

link to twitter.com

HCPN spoke to PA HS coaches last night, and this was his tweet about. If this says anything about his preparation and dedication to detail, he will be a fine HC. I assume that all the players shown are those from PA on the Pitt roster

Comment by wbb 02.14.15 @ 7:20 am

Dokish wrote some fun pieces this week on the offensive and defensive units and graded the talent and depth at each position.

Interesting that WR was our weakest position graded – Average talent (even with T.Boyd) and Poor depth wise. That is one man’s opinion, but probably not far off. Losing Jennings and Jones has been placed on X HCPC. And rightfully so, but I’m hoping our new WR coach can pull a rabbit or two out of his hat this year with the talent he has to work with.

On the D side, the DLine received Average grades in both categories. This recruiting class did not help, except the JUCO at DE. That was a head scratcher to me (lack of DL recruits). It seemed HCPN and staff were focused on landing some depth in this area and whiffed. We even lost a few DLinemen in Cook and Maclean who left Pitt early. Maybe the coaches felt the LB position needed more attention.

I’m ready for Spring and very optimistic that our D will be better with “out” House.

HTP!

Comment by Erie Express 02.14.15 @ 7:39 am

@ wbb – thanks for sharing that tweet from HCPN and the photos of players from across the state of PA. Who is the big guy in the upper left corner (near Erie) in the late 70’s/early 80’s Pitt colors? Must be his HS uniform…

HTP!

I wonder what Pedo State’s reaction to this tweet will be – stay tuned…Franklinstein will be landing his helicopter soon, picking up his bar of soap and creating his response, I’m sure.

Comment by Erie Express 02.14.15 @ 7:55 am

Erie, I was wondering if the guys shown not in Pitt unis were the new recruits from PA … but not sure. I would like to get a blown up version, if you look close you can see there were names listed and (I believe either their school or hometown.)

I believe the staff went hard after the DE position but just wasn’t able to pull it off. They went after Miller hard but he was known to be a PSU lean for months … and then they lost the guy from FL to Miss State at the last moment. They also lost Givens the last moment who s from the heart of PSU country — all PSU had to do was offer.

I think this season we will immediately see how good a defensive coach PN is … I’m certainly not expecting a dominant defense, but would be surprised if it isn’t improved … even with the DE and LB positions as such.

Comment by wbb 02.14.15 @ 8:31 am

Erie,

That big guy is Alex Paulina. Tony Pilato is to the right of him.

Go Pitt.

Comment by MajorMajors 02.14.15 @ 9:44 am

Love the tweets.

Big Day at the Pete, first visit to the Zoo from NC

Comment by gc 02.14.15 @ 9:55 am

On paper, this coaching staff assembled by Narduzzi is head & shoulders above the previous staff. Can this staff, “coach them up”?

One thing is already apparent, more excitement, more hype, more direction. When Nard Dog 1st comes in detailing goals as competing for championships, right off the bat, that sends a message, real quick to the team. “Get on board or get out the way”, this team is going to perform much better I predict than they did last season.

The players have not gotten that kind of challenge ever from HCPC’s staff. Remember last season’s motivational tactic by Chryst? “Why not now”? Narduzzi isn’t asking that question, his technique is loud and clear, TELLING this team that the time is NOW! How these young players respond to this message will determine whether the SOP mantra finally gets buried THIS season or not.

I’m thinking this team gets the message. H2P!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.14.15 @ 11:06 am

Erie – It appears by some fan’s opinions that Paul Chryst is the reason ISIS is waging war on others in the Middle East.

How can you possibly say that Adonis Jennings and Ronald Jones leaving the program as this: “Losing Jennings and Jones has been placed on X HCPC. And rightfully so…”? Don’t take this personally, but that is a load of crap.

Paul Chryst left the PITT program on Dec 18th and Narduzzi was hired on Dec 24th or so. Both Jennings and Jones left the program at least three weeks AFTER Narduzzi was hired and when it was set that Cheney was going to be hired as the OC. One could easily say it is obvious that both players left PITT because of the new coaching changes. They could have transferred out anytime after the Jan 2nd bowl game yet they stuck around to see who was being hired as the OC… then they took off…. again AFTER the change in HCs.

The reality is that in ’15, as a rsSR, Ronald Jones would probably have been kept on by Chryst and most probably would have been let go by Narduzzi to gain an extra scholarship.

What Jennings probably did was look at the incoming OC Jim Chaney’s last year at Arkansas and see that he ran the ball almost as much as Chryst did last season. Chryst ran it 66% of the time and Chaney 62%… and that was with a QB who threw 20 TDs to five INTs. Hell, Chaney might match or exceed that 66% run next season with Conner in the backfield.

Add to that the fact that Chaney has always use his TEs liberally – last year Arkansas’s TEs were #2 & #3 in receptions (w/59!) and Jennings saw the writing on the wall. The fact is that both those guys were run heavy last year and Jennings probably wanted to be in a more open passing offense.

Enough of piling every little thing on Paul Chryst’s shoulders. Transfers happen every single year in college ball for many, many different reasons.

Comment by Reed 02.14.15 @ 4:20 pm

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