Okay, Pitt didn’t exactly set things ablaze with the 2015 signing class in national perception. Even before the coaching change this was going to be a small and not considered stellar recruiting class. Size matters in the calculations of class rankings. It is just a question of by how much.
Why does size matter? Because the bigger the class size, the bigger the impact on the team. Even if the class isn’t loaded with 4 and 5-star talent. The more players, the more likely — just based on quantity — there will be players that matter.
As each recruiting site weighs size differently, the impact is more noticeable. And obviously disagreements in the value of individual recruits.
So, here’s how it looks for the four major sites with Pitt.
ESPN.com : 48th, 15 commits counted, 3 4-stars, 11 3-stars.
247.com: 62d, 14 commits counted, 2 4-stars, 12 3-stars.
Scout.com: 63d, 13 commits counted, 3 4-stars, 8 3-stars, 2 2-stars.
Rivals.com: 72d, 14 commits counted, 2 4-stars, 8, 3-stars, 3 2-stars.
Scout.com was the only site that didn’t include the JUCO signing of Allen Edwards. ESPN.com included transfer QB Nate Peterman to some degree.
At a certain point, class rankings become useless. Probably around the 30th spot.
Kansas, for example was given the 60th ranked class by Scout.com — 2 spots ahead of Pitt. They signed 27 players. 17 were 3-stars, and the other 10 were 2-stars or less. Or Syracuse which had the 62d ranked class in Rivals.com’s rankings — 10 whole spots ahead of Pitt. They had a 25-man class with 13 3-stars and 12 with 2-stars or less.
Pitt had the smallest recruiting class among power conference schools, by far. Check that, it was among the smallest in D-1 football. Michigan also had a 14-man class. After Michigan and Pitt, the only schools with smaller classes were Hawaii, Colorado St. and UAB(??).
Head Coach Pat Narduzzi may have been spinning a bit when addressing the issue of the small class size.
“We could have added a few more prospects,” Narduzzi said, “but if there is doubt in our coaches’ minds and my mind, we are better off to play it safe and save one.”
He’s also not wrong. It’s better for both sides to not just look to fill the class out — then be faced with running off a kid or having him leave because he felt misled about his opportunity.
And frankly, Pitt’s 2016 class will be tough to reach 20 members. The senior class will only be 11 members. A couple scholarships remain available from this year. Assume some attrition following a coaching change between spring practices (which starts March 15) and the end of December. A class size of 18-20 would be about right.
The new Pitt coaching staff isn’t going to waste time trying to land recruits. Plenty of offers went out today for 2016 kids. The cycle begins anew.
To quote an infamous Blather Poster… “LOL”
Did you notice they had a coach for “Performance Enhancement? I wonder if Sandusky always went to see him?????????
Improved as the season went on, he was never a leader. How could he be after Akron. I predict Peterman wins the job outright and leads us out of the wilderness.
McKee will be great and God knows we need help on D.
Like I said earlier and POS has stressed. It’s all in the results.
But POD…I am all in on the tone and appearance of competence set by the new staff. I needed it, we needed it and Pitt needed it. In all my years, I have never been as down on Pitt Football as I was this year. A miracle of lifelines has been thrown to us in the new boss and staff at Pitt. Let us enjoy it a bit …please!
They want the statue to their false idol back and they want it now.
LMAO
So far I give HCPN good credit for the energy and hiring of his staff and the aggressive manner they have conducted their business so far. As far as I’m concerned Narduzzi gets a full pass from any real criticism until the games actually start being played.
Some of us fans took heat because we weren’t jumping up and down as he recruited but in my case I had already resigned myself to the fact that he wasn’going to land any great surprise recruits. His losing those three recruits hurt a bit but that is way more on the kid’s and their parents then due to Narduzzi himself. He will do much better next class.
I have a new article on LOI Day I’ll post soon but the positive and strong emotions shown by the staff coaches and fans was fantastic.
Voytik was sick before and throughout the Miami games (and vomited a few times), yet bucked it up and led his team to a much needed win. His leadership skills have been praised be coacxhes and teammate.
On the other hand, what gives youthe impression that Peterman is a leader — because he graduated early? The last game he started for Tennessee, he was taken out after only 2 series and replaced by a younger player. I don’t doubt he has skills, but his stats and PT for his 3 years at UT is very unimpressive, to say the least.
Coaches and players aren’t the only ones who praised Voytik’s leadership skills, here is an excerpt from Dokish blog from yesterday and note what he lists first as traits:
Voytik has brains, leadership ability, toughness, good mobility, and a good enough arm. But his arm proved inaccurate often last season despite a 61.3% completion percentage. In the last six games, however, he completed 64.6% so he was clearly improving. He also had 7 touchdowns to just one interception in the last six games. Those interception numbers are obviously fantastic but 7 touchdowns in 6 games is not going to cut it this season.
And BTW, McKee has been recruited hard by Oklahoma, Wisconsin (before and after coaching change), Mich State (same), Nebraska and many other big schools.
I suggest you do a little research before you write.
Gil Brandt @Gil_Brandt ·
John Carroll QB Mark Meyers is getting lots of looks by scouts. Chance to be drafted. Same Ohio school Shula, London Fletcher attended.
Don’t know if he will be drafted but just realize this:
– after a redshirt freshman year, the coach who drafted him was fired and
– replaced by a much difference offense that didn’t fit his skills, then
– a 3rd coach comes in and he sits patiently hoping for his turn
– when in the late summer of his 3rd year, he finds out that another high-profile QB is transferring in and is pegged to start the following year
– and then after all of that, he transfers.
He did not turn his back on Pitt nor was he this 4-star failure that some people here make him out to be … whether he was drafted or not.
What exactly is the criteria for an ACE recruiter designation anyway? Seems subjective to me. I think it’s premature to pass any kind of judgment in that regard. Let’s give him a full year on the recruiting trail with a season on the sidelines first.
Due to THIS, he is now GOING to jump ON every perceived negative and spout OFF on how Narduzzi ISN’T this or that. This WILL continue and eventually he will BE right ABOUT something as THE Blind Squirrel sometimes finds THE nut and Pitt beats Miami.
If IT bothers anyone, JUST look for CAPITAL letters strewn throughout a post AND then skip it.
Not sure if there is somewhere that i can find this info but any help would be appreciated
Certainly, it is impossible to predict if he will be a successful HC, but I must admit I was impressed by his staff hiring, which seems to include many other good recruiters.
But the hiring that is most impressive was him hiring an OC who he didn’t know at all, yet he realized that above anything, it was his most important hire. Like Narduzzi, Chaney is accomplished and comes highly recommended.
I like our chances.
No one can reasonably judge any coach on recruiting when they had less than a month to put a class together.
“But… But I just started, I was left scrambling trying to clean up after the last guy that was here.”
That’s not good enough for PODerton, he expects you to perform even better than your predecessor. “Hit the ground running”, he says “CLOSE THE DEAL.” To him it’s obvious you aren’t working hard enough or else you would have already achieved the success of your counterpart in the greatly-endowed company across the street. PODerton, who actually has never worked your position, or even in your department, (in fact you’re not even sure if he’s allowed in the building), scoffs at your rebuke. Sure, it’s a hard job and he has high hopes for you, but, as is, the performance he’s seen in a truncated sample size doesn’t impress him.
Your co-worker proceeds to spread his opinion in the breakroom and across the company. He needs to let people know you’re not performing to his lofty expectation. He plants the negative seed of discontent across the organization. Soon people are all looking at you like “What’s going on, man?”.
Then you go home, put on your mask and defend the citizens of Gotham City.
And then the 2nd game is at Akron
As a matter of fact I have written on here often that Myers did PITT a huge favor, more than most fans realize, when he stuck with PITT during the 2011 year when Gonzalez was suspended through fall camp and the beginning of the season. At that point Myers was the only other viable QB on the roster with Sunseri after Bostick and Janocko left after the 2010 season. I know from talking with Myer’s father before at the 2011 spring game they wanted to transfer over the summer but when Gonzalez in July Mark decided to stay which was completely unselfish on his part and probably hurt him in the long run as Graham was never going to play him, even though he asked Myers to stay and that he’d get PT.
What did happen though is that Myers got so disillusioned with Graham after the 2011 fall camp, when Trey Anderson was brought in right before camp and Graham automatically jumped over Myers to the QB2 spot, that Myers pretty much checked out of the program, didn’t really learn Graham’s playbook and bided his time until the end of the season when he could transfer. But again, all that was predicated by Graham’s actions and dishonesty in his dealing with Myers and his Father.
I’m at a complete loss about PoD’s disenchantment with Narduzzi’s last stitch efforts to preserve the original class while shoring it up at the same time at positions of need.
It was essential to keep our 4 stars, he accomplished that. It was extremely important that he brought in a QB to replaced Hornibrook who followed Chryst to Wisky. He did that times two, not only offering DiNucci, but also bringing in a ringer from Tennessee who has game experience, age and is immediately eligible since he will be a graduate student. This actually is the cherry on top of this class if Voytik goes down with a season ending injury, because behind him otherwise we had only Bertke, a RS freshman. This would have been a HUGE PROBLEM in 2016 without Peterman coming in HUGE!!
We lost two of our three starting LBs and we have no depth at that position. Narduzzi in response brings in two LB’s in response to that big need. McKee and Brightwell aren’t bottom feeders either with only MAC offers who were glad to get a better Pitt offer. Both of these kids were highly coveted by multiple power 5 programs, PLUS both are fast twitch quick ball hounds, JUST the type of aggressive players that Narduzzi wants for his team. Two slam dunk commitments to solve that LB dilemma.
The only place he came up short was on the DL. Losing Curtis on signing day really hurt but if this JC transfer, Allen comes in ready to pass rush at DE he could lessen the deficit apparent at that position.
So who got the very First offer from Nard Dog? Anybody know? It wasn’t anybody in this 2015 class. It was some 2016 stud recruit. Narduzzi came in looking forward to 2016 right of the bat. He is on task for 2016 already, many other 2015 targets have already secured Pitt offers. This guy gets recruiting. PERIOD.
PittofDreams, you got rocks in your head on this recruiting rant issue of yours. Pull your head out of there, you’ll be needing to drop a Duce soon and it will only be in the way.
Good recap of Narduzzi’s short window recruiting efforts. He accomplished the things he absolutely needed to do (Whitehead, transfer vet QB, etc.) and added some nice players that were on the fence or were not even considering Pitt. He resisted adding bodies for the sake of volume and to get a higher recruiting ranking.
It wasn’t a HR because he lost Curtis and a couple others at the end. But, I’d say it was a leadoff double where he just missed getting all of that slider that painted the outside corner. I think the precious star ratings will go up in next year’s class. More importantly, I think this staff knows what they want to see in recruits, and they are going after it.
But now with a new chancellor and new coaching staff, it’s time to look forward. I don’t expect that we all won’t look back here, including me, but if there was ever a time to move forward, I would think it is now.
The new staff and the new chancellor will be judged on their performance, and the jury should be deliberating for quite a long time on both.
But you are also correct that we fans look backward also because that is how we fans gauge current successes and because that is what we would be doing sitting at a round table drinking beer and talking PITT football. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it either as success have to be compared to something. The ’15 recruiting class is what it is – it isn’t a home run or a strikeout and truth be told we fans have no idea how it will stack up until the games start being played. But I go along with Dr. Tom – some of our 3* kids were heavily recruited and though highly of by other schools.
PITTifull
Kid had unfortunate timing, he came along at the same time as Tiny.
No way anybody was starting at QB but him.
It’s similar to the coache’s son at Miami of Ohio who started for 2 seasons INSTEAD OF BEN ROETHLISBERGER.
Had the coache’s son been one year older, we would have never heard of Ben Roethlisberger most likely, as they had him playing WR to the coach’s son at QB.
I’m glad Myers has done well at John Carroll and hope he can get to the NFL. But that doesn’t mean he was going to be a star at PITT though. Just like if Flacco stayed at PITT there was no guarantee he was going to be a star. Sometimes a smaller school and smaller competition is what someone needs to shine, especially at QB.
I think you’re missing Emel’s point. He doesn’t give a rat’s behind about Sunseri having played for Graham and how that may have influenced Chryst. He’s just grinding his usual Tino axe. It doesn’t matter how good Tino’s stats were over his three years. Stats lie to Emel’s highly trained eye. So does the opinion of three different head coaches who started Tino. That includes Dave Wannstedt for whom Emel still carries a torch. I have never understood how he reconciles that fact.
The one play I remember Meyers in Graham’s season was a dropped interception in the end zone by a Lousville DB.
I keep saying this … with all of the excuses Graham gave for leaving Pitt like he did, why wouldn’t he say that he was forced to play a QB? And why would you invest so much in a HC and staff anyway, ad then force his hand? …. again, the scenario is silly.
This tells me that he even considered staying the course, since he still had 2 years to play after Tino graduated …. but savage coming in was the last straw.
Myers was a good kid but not the prototype jock that some coaches want on the roster. He was much more laid back and wanted football to be more fun than stress.
The only point I’m making is that Narduzzi isn’t that “ACE” Recruiter he was being made out to be.
A REALLY Good Defensive Coordinator… by all appearances yes.
But not the Guy who comes into the Living Room and IMMEDIATELY wins Mom, Dad and the Recruit over.
He’s obviously going to need to prove himself to be a WINNER to be an effective Recruiter.