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December 19, 2014

Forget the AD for Now

Filed under: Athletic Department,Hire/Fire — Chas @ 7:40 am

I’m going to take another run at spelling something out. There is no way Pitt hires an Athletic Director before hiring a football coach. None. Nada. Zip. Hiring an AD is an executive level position that takes time. It isn’t a short list the Chancellor keeps in his drawer for when the time comes.

While the impulse is to think of it as a pro sports analogy as a GM, and you need to have the GM in place before hiring a coach, it doesn’t work in this situation.

Frustratingly it is something perpetrated way too easily by Pittsburgh sports radio that has no clue about college athletics: to wit, another brain dead Rossi column stating that Pitt needs to hire an AD before hiring a football coach.

Pitt should be the better job for an athletic director but only if the athletic director gets to choose the football coach. Every athletic director should get to make that particular call.

The new boss at WVU will. Another lousy November for Holgorsen surely will bring about a fresh football start for the Mountaineers. If that isn’t necessary, that just means WVU has continued its climb back to consistent top-25 territory.

Pitt seems a long way from that territory in football. It can sell a new athletic director on hiring the football coach, and that is where the climb should start for Pitt.

What should be embarrassing for Rossi — though I doubt he even notices — is right next to his own piece (at least in web layout) is a piece where you have someone who was an AD and now runs searches for college administrators. Including ADs. He flat out states that is not possible.

In 2011, Carr Sports Consulting assisted North Carolina in the hiring process for an athletic director and football coach.

Bubba Cunningham was hired as athletic director in October after a seven-week search and started work in November. Football coach Larry Fedora was hired the following month.

UNC’s search committee reviewed a pool of about 60 applicants and interviewed 13 candidates before choosing Cunningham.

“Ideally, you would hire the athletic director first and then hire the coach,” Carr said Thursday. “North Carolina had a similar situation where the last athletic director retired. We helped them hire the new athletic director first and then moved into the coaching search. We helped them sequentially.

“In this circumstance (at Pitt),” Carr said, “unless you have someone immediately identified and prepared to take the position, that’s not a practical situation. If they don’t have someone they can immediately name as athletic director, they’re going to have to go with some kind of interim situation and going to have to hire a football coach because of the dynamics of recruiting.”

Seven weeks is a very short time for finding a new AD, unless you are promoting from within. It is very common for it to take more like 12-16 weeks. Go ahead, look. I’ll wait. The fastest turnaround I could find was about 5 weeks. Colorado fired its AD at the end of May, 2013. They made their hire in the first week of July. Kansas took 4 months when they had to replace their AD. Cal forced their AD to step down this past June. The job is still being run by an interim AD.

Finding a new AD is not simply poaching a sitting one from another school. You want to steal Tom Jurich from Louisville? Get in line. Florida State couldn’t do it. None of the other major conference schools could either when they have had openings. He is king in Louisville and extremely well compensated. He is the gold standard, but he isn’t going anywhere. If that is your only choice than I guarantee you will be disappointed by whoever Pitt hires.

Pitt needs to find a coach first. Exactly how many recruits do you think there would be signing a Letter of Intent in February if there isn’t a coach hired and building relationships within the next two weeks? Michigan has had a lame duck coach for most of the season and then fired. While they wait to be played by Jim Harbaugh their recruiting class is down to six — including a kicker.

Pederson is out as AD. That was everyone’s biggest dream. It has happened. He doesn’t get to go near the coaching search. Take the win. Forget the AD stuff for now and focus on the coaching search





Chas, I couldn’t agree you more. Pitt’s situation doesn’t afford them the luxury of hiring and having AD in place before hiring their head football coach. With the talent they have on offense, the Panthers are poised for potentially a big season next year. Pony on the FAN was insisting otherwise and I understand his logic, but lose this opportunity could set the program back a few years. There is a lot of excitement and now is the time to get the coach we need to take Pitt football forward.

Comment by Justinian 12.19.14 @ 8:09 am

We were surprised about Pederson’s firing, perhaps there will be another surprise sooner than we expect. Besides, Chancellor Gallagher had time to assess Pederson’s performance. Most good managers don’t make rash decisions, especially when one’s job is on the line. I think Pitt will have an AD on the payroll sooner than we think.

Comment by MariettaMike 12.19.14 @ 8:15 am

I agree with Chas. However, I’m not sure I’d take a job not knowing who my boss will be unless there were assurances by the Chancellor. Have to admit, Pitt always makes it interesting when it comes to its sports programs.

Comment by MariettaMike 12.19.14 @ 8:20 am

MariettaMike, In the event you hire the coach first, he probably will be given some assurance that he will have input or some involvement in the selection of the next AD.

Comment by Justinian 12.19.14 @ 8:35 am

an AD’s job is to supervision and work with the WHOLE sport program of a school……. even if football is #1. He does not negotiate player contracts, deal with player agents etc. A GM’s job is to concentrate on just his one particular team / sport. Since Chancellor Gallagher appears to be heavily involved with Pitt sports, having the new AD in place is not quite as important as usual.

Comment by Mtoolmn 12.19.14 @ 8:40 am

Nice piece on Bleacher Report about Pitt’s coaching search that talks about Doc Holiday and Pat Narduzzi.

link to bleacherreport.com

Comment by Justinian 12.19.14 @ 8:46 am

You want to make a big hire at Pitt, think big.

Dan Mullins, Bryan Harsin….throw them tons of money. We limit our thinking to up and comers or coordinators. If Pitt wants to be a top program go steal someone elses successful coach.

Mullins is from PA and coached at Bowling Green and ND.
Harsin is mostly a west coast guy but he has coached in Texas and Arkansas.

Comment by notrocketscience 12.19.14 @ 9:15 am

Gallagher obviously didn’t wake up Wednesday and decide he had to make a change at AD.

If he’s as SMART as everyone seems to think, he should have at least ONE or TWO Names on a Short List.

That said, if the plan is to hire a Coach first… that would seem to play into Rudolph’s favor.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.19.14 @ 9:18 am

I pretty much stopped reading the trib because of Rossi

Comment by dcpinpgh 12.19.14 @ 9:23 am

Someone may have asked the question, but does anyone know which, if any search firms have been retained for either or both positons?

Comment by billgpitt 12.19.14 @ 9:27 am

So sources say Pitt is going to go big, going big to me means getting Dan Mullen. He hasn’t signed an extension yet. Getting him would be huge. If you can’t get Dan Mullen then Doc Holliday is a good fallback plan. I think with either Pitt has a good shot at 10 wins next year.

Comment by Wardapalooza 12.19.14 @ 9:39 am

In Gallagher I trust. Whatever you need
to do brother!!

Hail To Pitt!!!

Comment by Dan 12.19.14 @ 9:55 am

I don’t know… in some ways I’d rather wrap an AD around a GOOD coach in place than try to wrap a coach around an AD. The AD is an administrative role – someone working behind the scenes and making sure the various coaches of the various programs have the tools to accomplish their goals. Nothing more, nothing less. If you hire an AD that wants to have actual input on the coaching as well, you picked the wrong guy…

Comment by thestumper 12.19.14 @ 10:05 am

I haven’t been this excited about Pitt football since Johnny Majors crashed his car into Pitt Stadium the night before football game.

Comment by Yeti 12.19.14 @ 10:08 am

Only two Divison 1 schools tore down stadiums – Miami and Pitt. Attendance at their home games shows how foolish those decisions were.

Even championship-starved Rice University has found funds to refurbish its 1950s stadium.

link to chron.com

Comment by Tony77019 12.19.14 @ 10:09 am

The Trib seems to be doing a better job of covering Pitt these days than the pathetic Post-Gazette. Paul Zeise is still good but there’s just not that much interest in hoops right now.

Smizik, Cook, etc. really disappointing.

Comment by Tony77019 12.19.14 @ 10:11 am

Rossi is a loser. When he wrote a piece about how poor Pitt’s attendance is and talked about an on campus stadium, he wasn’t willing to blame Pederson.

I emailed him to tell him the unrest regarding Pederson was building. He emailed back something to the effect that he was sorry I was unhappy.

Such B.S.

Comment by Tony77019 12.19.14 @ 10:13 am

If Gallagher tells the new A.D. what the football priorities are and expects them to be carried out, it doesn’t matter if a coach is hired first.

Anyway, Gallagher can speak softly. We already know he carries a big stick.

Comment by Tony77019 12.19.14 @ 10:14 am

The Orange Bowl was not Univ. of Miami’s stadium it was owned by the city. I remember being there when I was a kid and thinking it wasn’t very nice.

Comment by Yeti 12.19.14 @ 10:21 am

Dan Mullen would have a very very high price tag. I don’t know if that’s necessarily the best option. I feel that Pat Narduzzi, Doc Holiday or another coach who really wants to be at Pitt, would to be given enough to pay his assistant coaches well. The right fit and getting the right guy is what matters.

Comment by Justinian 12.19.14 @ 10:24 am

I’ve been beating the drum for Willie Fritz the HC at Ga. Southern for a couple days now. The thing with him would be his hire wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg which would allow funds to be available to hire a first rate coaching staff under him.

The guy is under the radar a little simply because he’s been coaching at a lower conference level for most of his 20+ year HC career until he moved up to FBS by coaching Ga. Southern in the Sunbelt conference this season. Went 9-3 also with close loses to both NCS and GT.

He is a consumit winner however. Hope Pitt has him on their contact list.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.19.14 @ 10:24 am

I think it’s fine if they hire the HC first.. Yea, he’s gonna have to work and get along with the AD, whenever he/she comes along… But Gallegher is hiring both… and they everybody has to answer to him.

If he’s really taking charge, he’s going to be up front about that with all applicants.. ‘You get to run your team the way you see fit, and you get to run the athletic department the way you see fit.. But ultimately, it’s all going to fit into my vision, everyone answers to me.’

Comment by BostonsCommon 12.19.14 @ 10:27 am

Of all the candidates that have been mentioned.

I think Narduzzi has the most promise, my only worry is that he’ll pull a chryst in 3 or 4 years.

I was reading some wisky blogs that said Rudolph would be headed to WI, but if we could get Narduzzi and have roudolph stay I think we’d be doing ourselves well.

Comment by Benzene 12.19.14 @ 10:30 am

Coaches come and go, but typically an AD is a long-term position for a University. Although in a perfect world you’d love for an AD to have a big say in the football HC, its obvious Pitt is not in a perfect world right now.
If we assume Pitt can do what most colleges can’t and vet an AD and get him in place in 2 months, by the time he vets and decides on a HC your looking at 3 months.
Doing this math, it would be signing day and Pitt still wouldn’t have a HC, a total disaster. Gallagher doesn’t have a choice, its HC first, AD after.

Comment by Taxing Matters 12.19.14 @ 10:33 am

I thought tearing down Pitt Stadium was a colossal mistake. Pederson sold it to Nordy, as if moving to Hines would solve all the attendance problems. The reality is that winning football and excitement about the program are the things the put fannies in the seats. If there is no excitement, it doesn’t matter where you play. I would have liked to have seen a renovation of the old stadium with new seats and modern amenities like the renovations done to the Rose Bowl or Georgia Tech’s stadium.

Comment by Justinian 12.19.14 @ 10:34 am

It’s hard to get a handle on what Gallagher is actually doing… I mean one source says they’re ‘going big’, ‘only looking at current or former HCs’, then next source says ‘Narduzzi to be granted interview’..

I think we’re going to be pleasantly surprised though… publicly shit canning SP while XHCPC was taking the stage was bold… major league trolling…

You don’t follow that up by promoting from within your crappy product, or bringing in a turd like Ron Tuner…

Comment by BostonsCommon 12.19.14 @ 10:38 am

Right after the survey came out, I wrote a email to the chancellor that it will be very difficult for me to continue to support athletics with donations and season ticket purchases if SP remained our AD. I got a nice auto reply thanking me for my support of Pitt. I’m never going to throw a tantrum and cancel my tickets because I want to support the players. But, I did go from 4 seats to 2 last year. Well, I wrote him again yesterday and said I would be back to 4 tickets and increasing my panther club donation – how much will depend on who he hires!

HTP

Comment by htp123 12.19.14 @ 10:55 am

If Pitt stadium was covered in gold in a 3 billion dollar renovation it still would have been empty at the Cuse game last year. Stadium isn’t worth talking about. I really wish the whole talk of Pitt stadium would be banned on here. Talking about the stadium is beyond beating a dead horse at this point.

The HC will be essentially hired by Gallagher, you don’t get better job security than that, which is why you don’t need to worry about getting an AD first.

Comment by Wardapalooza 12.19.14 @ 11:02 am

i want a stadium.

Comment by goalie44 12.19.14 @ 11:05 am

You got one, for every home game that you want to rent it for.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.19.14 @ 11:12 am

We “need” a head coach.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.19.14 @ 11:13 am

The idiots on the fan, one of the duos was also in agreement that an AD needs to be hired first, so the coach would be his man.

Who is more important or more valuable? A coach is paid 3 or more times than his “boss” the AD. Does anyone think the AD supervises the day yo day activities of a coach?

AD’s are administrative positions that deal with budgets, facilities, marketing, scheduling, conference relationships etc.

The relationship between a good AD and coach is colleague to colleague and not boss to employee.

All the other coaches will be in place when the AD gets here so why does the Football coach need to be “his man”

The need for a head coach yesterday is important to keep the recruiting class together and finish it off with some blue chip defensive players. There is a limited pool of talent available. Do the interviews and make a decision.

Comment by gc 12.19.14 @ 11:14 am

Checking out some of Narduzzi’s interviews… he comes across personality wise a lot like Foge Fazio who took over after Jackie Sherrill.

If you remember, that’s when the Program went South.

Like Narduzzi, Foge was a good Defensive Coach who Players REALLY liked playing for.

But as a Head Coach, he was TOTALLY DISORGANIZED… a fish out of water.

Believe Narduzzi is much the same way and would be a DISASTER.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.19.14 @ 11:25 am

A word of CAUTION about Narduzzi…

He’s been Coaching COLLEGE Football since 1990… 24 YEARS!!!!!

And NOT ONCE… a HEAD COACH!

An EMPHATIC “NO” to Narduzzi!

Comment by PittofDreams 12.19.14 @ 11:30 am

Sherril also had a huge gambling addiction and was screwing
The cheerleading coach. That’s enough to distract anyone.

Comment by Dan 72 12.19.14 @ 11:32 am

I guess you can tell I’m not big on Narduzzi.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.19.14 @ 11:34 am

@Ward…agree on stadium ban talk!

@Chas..couldn’t agree more on that Rossi article; I read it earlier this morning and was thinking all the things that you nicely pointed out.

If they pay money to snag Mullen that would be sweet.

Comment by milobloom 12.19.14 @ 11:38 am

Mullen is #2 on. Michigan’s list. Ugh

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.19.14 @ 11:46 am

Compare Mullen’s Interviews to Narduzzi’s… not even a comparison as to who is HEAD COACH Material.

Of course, Mullen is already a Head Coach… and after 24 Years, Narduzzi is still waiting!

Comment by PittofDreams 12.19.14 @ 11:58 am

Funny how all of the Dixon Die-hards don’t want to talk about a Football Stadium.

Go figure.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.19.14 @ 11:59 am

I’m no Dixon die-hard, and I don.t want to talk about a stadium either. It’s a dead horse, and who needs a dead horse?

Comment by Marcus of Schaumburg 12.19.14 @ 12:45 pm

The AD qualifications are – someone knows the college game, has numerous contacts throughout all of college football, is articulate when addressing the public, and has a passion for the college game viewing the AD position as something more than just a pay check .
Among the Pitt alums such a person exists that would be Mark May . He is proud of his degree from Pitt, expresses himself well in the public eye,is in the middle of the everyday happenings of college football, and has contacts in the broadcast industry that could mean more TV exposure and more broadcast money for Pitt athletics. Mark May should be asked about input about the next Pitt football coach whether he becomes AD or not. The man knows more about the people in the college game than anybody else.
Hire Mark May as AD !

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 12.19.14 @ 1:40 pm

I don’t understand the thinking of the on-campus stadium wanting crowd. I get the nostalgia part if you attended games at Pitt stadium for years–I did that myself. That’s an emotional thing.

The logic, however, escapes me. There is no free space in Oakland to accommodate a new stadium and the needed parking. Costs are prohibitive–even for a small 45,000 seat stadium. Besides, attendance is no worse at Heinz than it was at Pitt Stadium (numbers don’t lie). That has been demonstrated over and over. So that is not a real issue. Tailgating? Well, that was even more limited for Pitt Stadium than it is becoming at Heinz.

The Heinz is too big argument? Want a 45,000 seat place that looks fuller when 30,000 only show up for a MAC opponent? Why would you trade that for the possibility of turning away 20,000 instead of filling 65,000 seats when you have a good (top 25 team) playing vs a Florida State, a Notre Dame, or Penn State? Why be “small time”? Don’t we want to be a top 10 or top 15 team again? Do we really want to continue the mediocrity of the last 15 years?

Comment by pitt 1972 12.19.14 @ 5:18 pm

I’ll throw EJ Borghetti’s name in as the next AD. He did a very admirable job as Ass’t AD / SID under trying circumstances with SP as his boss. He’s a PITT guy and very good at what he does.

Comment by Reed 12.21.14 @ 9:51 am

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