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November 26, 2014

If you are a major conference program, you don’t accept/wrangle/beg for an invite to an early season tournament with the expectation of losing. You (and your fans) believe there is at the very least a chance. Things may not play out that way — isn’t that right UNC — but there is always that possibility.

Two years ago when Pitt to the Maui invite, that was exciting news. Then this year rolled around and things haven’t gone as hoped. Now it is salvage time for Pitt and Kansas State.

This could be interesting. Neither team is exactly a defensive juggernaut. K-State relies on scoring to win. They don’t rebound well. Like Pitt they are 3-2 with a road loss to a low mid-major. They played Arizona tough last night, but could not quite get there.

Given the way Pitt has played in Maui, I don’t exactly know what to expect without sounding negative.

7:30 on ESPN2.





The only ignorant person on here is YOU….barvo.

Comment by Emel 11.26.14 @ 10:34 pm

Glad the kids came back to win this one. Did not want to go to Indiana 3-3.

Comment by Frank MD 11.26.14 @ 10:43 pm

Please don’t slander me with comments I didn’t make.

“As you wrongly predicted, pitt did not go home with only a win against Chaminade”
Comment by barvo 11.26.14 @ 10:25 pm

That is the height of ignorance and shows a general disregard of our school motto.

Talk about smugness and trying to smear me.

Disgusting.

Comment by Emel 11.26.14 @ 10:44 pm

Believe me boys, before the yr is out Uchebo will be a factor. Patience

Comment by alcofan 11.26.14 @ 10:44 pm

I see a tourney team here. Probably not better than a 8/9 seed again but I do see talent. JR and Young are studs. Luther and Johnson look promising as well. Makes you wonder how ESPN gives Luther a rating of 69? Not all top recruits deserve their rankings.

With that said though it’s all about recruiting talent gents, not JD coaching style. Jamie wins… he just hasn’t been able to keep the good recruits (Adams/Birch) to get the job done.

Comment by Pitt fan from Canada 11.26.14 @ 10:44 pm

^that was directed at this tool troll Barvo.^

Comment by Emel 11.26.14 @ 10:45 pm

Well, the selection commitee can’t say we played a bunch of cream puffs in our non-con this year, that’s for sure.

Seriously barvo, Emel is a long-time veteran of this board, and doesn’t deserve that kind of attack.

Comment by Lou in Indy 11.26.14 @ 10:50 pm

Civility please

Comment by JP 11.26.14 @ 10:59 pm

I thought the FAN was a Pitt Station. Instead of Panther reaction it is the Pens post game. That is BS and they should be called out for it.

Comment by JP 11.26.14 @ 11:01 pm

Very satisfying game. JR has truly reinvented himself. Artis a solid game. Luther kills it. And fantastic team D. Great win and a fantastic response to the previous night’s debacle. And, of course — and this is for you pitttofdreams — KO!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Carmen 11.26.14 @ 11:18 pm

Yeah barvo, lets not turn this site in Scout.com where it’s filled with nothing but personal insults. Maybe you would be more at home at that site.

Here’s the link:

link to mbd.scout.com

As for Crean’s boys next Tuesday, they just lost to Eastern Washington at home.

BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Blatherites!

Comment by Jackagain 11.26.14 @ 11:19 pm

So are we still going to only win 5 acc games and 15 games overall?

Happy Thanksgiving Pitt Supporters, Everyone else can hush

Comment by ShorePitt 11.27.14 @ 1:26 am

It’s still too early to predict much about the rest of the season, but let’s keep in mind that the roster that has played thus far is unusually inexperienced for the Dixon era. Pitt’s 21st century success has been built more on team defense, efficient offense, and rebounding than on individual star talent. The 10 scholarship players that have played so far (thanks to CW’s injury and DJ’s suspension) are 3 upperclassmen (including 2 transfer scrubs) and 7 underclassmen. Hopefully we will see much more mid-season development than usual (plus Cam Wright’s return real soon).

Happy Thanksgiving from the land of sun!

Comment by San Diego Panther 11.27.14 @ 1:36 am

Tied up earlier, so just finished watching the “re-air” on ESPNU…

Holy shiitake mushrooms! What a difference a day makes!

I was shaking my head in frustration after the first few minutes, then…. Bango!

H2P!

H2Thanksgiving everyone!

Beat Miami!!!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 11.27.14 @ 2:37 am

Howard, good observation on Chris Jones. Now we see the reason why he starts in Wright’s absence. If he gets more consistent on offense, it would not surprise me to see him get more PT at the 3, once Cam returns.

In addition to Cam Johnson and Token Luther, I see Jones becoming a very good in the near future.

Comment by wbb 11.27.14 @ 5:52 am

Didn’t see that coming. At least this team has some pride.

Comment by Pittastic 11.27.14 @ 7:14 am

I’m not surprized. The loss of Lamar Paterson, Talib Zanna, and Durand Johnson for the season takes away a lot of offensive punch. I was encouraged last night by the play of Ryan Luther and Chris Jones. They did well defensively and give us some of the outside shooting we miss with loss of Durand Johnson. I like the athleticism of the young players. I think Gilbert will be nice player as well. Last night against Kansas State the Panthers had 4 players in double figures, Robinson, Young, Artis and Luther. That’s what they will have do, to have the type of season we’ve come to expect.

Comment by Justinian 11.27.14 @ 7:37 am

This team as I posted before just will be up and down this year. When teams hit the shots they all look good. Make no mistake the season will be full of good and bad moments. Like Pitts length and good athleticism, but can’t depend on defense to be consistent.

Comment by chethejet 11.27.14 @ 7:43 am

Aclofan – I hope you’re right abut Uchebo because Randall is absolutely terrible. But, why do you feel that way?

Comment by htp123 11.27.14 @ 7:47 am

Uchebo will be a factor…next year. I mean, he was all alone for his one basket and i was waiting formhim to jam it home, and, he had to lay it in. Now, when a 6′ 10″ guy cannot dunk, that says to me he needs another year in the weight room, post injury. hope i am wrong!

Great win but we are still young. And yes people will say, kentucky is young, so what? The so what is, the pitt winning formula is to have good not great players all as upper classmen. Kentucky can be top 10 and young, pitt has never been able. It will likely be an up and down year but i support them all they way! Htp

Comment by DD 11.27.14 @ 8:00 am

I went to alot of summer league games and he was the best player on the floor every game.

Comment by alcofan 11.27.14 @ 8:13 am

I’d like to see Pitt run more isolation sets for Mike Young — he can get by bigger defenders at will off the bounce, especially if he’s playing the five. However, when dealing with inexperienced teams, Jamie tends to rely heavily on the structured motion offense.

Uchebo is not a good player. I think Randall can at least give them some minutes where he’ll play defense, grab some rebounds, and probably clank some foul shots.

This was a good trip for Pitt — they’re a significantly better team then they were prior to Hawaii. For those of you that complain about Dixon’s non-con scheduling, you can’t have it both ways. In years where Jamie has a lack of experience, the beginning of the season will be rocky against tougher competition, so the gloom and doom from the SD State game is a bit ludicrous.

Bottom line: this trip will have them more prepared for conference play.

Comment by Denny 11.27.14 @ 8:16 am

Happy Thanksgiving to all Pitt Blatherites! Regardless of what Pitt does on the field or court, we all have much to be thankful for. I’m thankful for my family and friends. As the saying goes, he who has friends is never alone.

Hail To Pitt! Beat the ‘Canes!

Comment by MariettaMike 11.27.14 @ 8:38 am

Uchebo is a bum. What worries me about him is his IQ. He doesn’t even know how to hand or pass the ball to the guards after the rebound luckily lands into his buttered hands. On top of that he can’t even jump. I know he’s semi recovering from injury but come on now, jump a few inches. I just don’t think he’s got the time to develop and contribute.

Comment by MoE 11.27.14 @ 9:35 am

Great win…I posted after the Samford game that since this is a young team to expect big ups and downs this year and we sure saw that the last two days. (Though some try to argue that this is not a young team — Emel).

I didn’t expect Pitt to win last night (after watching the earlier Maui games) but was hoping they played hard and they sure did.

Have to love the play by Luther and Jones…Those who said Jones can’t play defense sure were wrong.

How about this in 2 years…..a team lead by Young, Luther, Jeter and C Johnson take Pitt further than any Pitt team in the past…All Western PA kids.

Comment by milobloom 11.27.14 @ 9:36 am

@Keith — “It’s fans like you who I have the biggest problem with you have accepted WHO we’ve become…I’m not happy with it, and you shouldn’t be either.”

Do you follow Pitt history? For those of us who do realize that Pitt Basketball has been at it highest level with Dixon in charge…although it’s been a step back the past few years. Most realize he’s still our best shot at taking Pitt even higher and doing so with integrity.

Spinning the coaching wheel isn’t going to work at Pitt.

Comment by milobloom 11.27.14 @ 9:45 am

Yup milobloom,

Whenever i get down on pitt bball a little i remember how many programs that used to be way better than pitt and have not been for a long time. They would all take dixon in a second. St johns, seton hall, pc for examples…dont they wish they still had carneseca, pj, and pitino at the helm. There are literally dozens of teams in that position, teams with a greater bball history than pitt, but performed nowhere close in the past decade! G tech, hell 2 good year notwithstanding, even ucla. I am grateful for dixon we will have so so years like maybe this year, and tossing thabeet years as well. Someday the tossing thabeet years will see us in a final four.

Comment by DD 11.27.14 @ 9:58 am

Fabulous 22 in the PG today. Led by Pitt commits, Jordan Whitehead, Kevin Givens,Tre Tipton and Nick Bowers. Still in the hunt for John Pertishen.

Comment by alcofan 11.27.14 @ 10:18 am

Happy Thanksgiving. I can’t figure out this team? The pieces don’t fit. Luther appears to have the best stroke. Luther a 3 with Young @ 4?? Need a center to run offense through. Cam returns as 2 and pick your point guard. Robinson or Newkirk. Is it too early to drink? H2P

Comment by DC33 11.27.14 @ 10:59 am

Has Houghton seen the floor? I’d take a big that can block shots and rebound. Scoring would be secondary. Doesn’t take a PhD to do that

Comment by DC33 11.27.14 @ 11:06 am

MoE – Uchebo may be a disappointment but to call him a bum is disrespectful. The injury was knee micro fracture surgery – something that’s essentially ended Greg Oden’s career and few have come back from. It was always a long shot he’d be a big time contributor … and after watching him last year I didn’t even think he’d be back. No way Dixon starts him if he’s a bum.

I agree on the basketball IQ part – i think as a whole this entire team is the dumbest on the court of the Dixon era … and I don’t think it’s just youth.

Despite what Emel says though, this is a young team. Only two players with 3 years in the program are Jones and Robinson. That’s young … especially when it’s not filled with top 50 prospects. Cam Wright offsets some of that in a couple of weeks … but right now … young.

AAU ball has finally caught up to the program. The basketball smart diamonds in the rough are being replaced by higher profile players who rely more on athletic ability than bball IQ.

I mentioned on another thread that we’ll see more skilled players coming thru but the learning curve is going to be steeper.

Pitt’s offense and defense … which rely on efficiency … do not come second nature to this group … yet. I do think it will click but it’s just going to take time.

I really do like this group. I think, athletically, they are the best since the Blair years. Mentally – they need some seasoning however.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.27.14 @ 11:09 am

We saw our formula for victory last night. Unfortunately, it won’t work against elite talent.

At least this team has heart and won’t quit.

Luther the biggest surprise, hope he can sustain what we saw last night. A great stroke and solid D.

Hope Alcofan is right about Uchebo, hasn’t shown up so far.

Comment by gc 11.27.14 @ 11:11 am

GC. What was the formula?

Comment by DC33 11.27.14 @ 11:23 am

Happy Thanksgiving Panthers! Enjoyed the victory over a good K-State team. A young team needs time jell. How many on the current roster played major roles last season? We have talent! But a man has to know his limitations. We valued a certain off guard for multiple years, who filled the barrel with points, and some of those threes were mind blowing. But he never filled the PG role as we fans yearned. Still very glad Ashton put the Pitt gear on!
This team is sophomore based and a work in progress. Young, Artis, and Newkirk have tremendous upsides. I don’t even know yet what to expect from Jeter, Jones and the freshmen!
If I am angry with anyone it’s DJ! Felt the pain for him last year being injured but that’s over and he let his teammates down! You are wasting a scholarship kid! Fish or cut bait! Hail to Pitt! UPone

Comment by UPone 11.27.14 @ 11:30 am

A little surprised how lost Jeter looks. I guess a year away from competitive ball takes its toll.

Newkirk still looks like a freshman, had hoped the game would have slowed down for him.

Hopefully the rent-a-wins coming up will improve the rhythm. Certainly are not ready for prime time yet.

Saw Wright jumping up and down when Ko made his shot. Hopefully that means the foot is getting close.

Young is so much improved. Many more moves around the hoop.

Comment by gc 11.27.14 @ 11:30 am

DC33, suffocating defense.

Comment by gc 11.27.14 @ 11:32 am

GC. Good call. I agree.

Comment by DC33 11.27.14 @ 11:38 am

Happy Thanksgiving to all you Blatherites! The most intense devoted Pitt fans I’ve known. Imagine how much money shrinks could make just counseling us all!

Enjoy this day with your loved ones.

Comment by Dan 72 11.27.14 @ 12:12 pm

gc, look at the schedule, IU at Bloomington and Duquesne aren’t rent a wins.

Comment by alcofan 11.27.14 @ 12:16 pm

Alco, certainly not Indiana, but we have won 13 out of 14 with Duquesne, and then the next five at home were what I was speaking of.

Comment by gc 11.27.14 @ 1:01 pm

I would really love a reporter to ask Dixon where he thinks Uchebo is right now. I have seen every minute of every televised game and I just have no sense of him…in 4 TV games I think he has played 5 minutes total! Has not looked terrible, has not looked good. Getting the hook so fast! He dominated in the summer league but I am not sure that says anything. Just really curious if he is getting yanked for complete unforgivable defensive lapses (I have seen a few, but from everyone not just him), or is he in pain…he obviously has no vertical leap. Just would love to hear in Dixon’s own words.

Hopefully one of the centers starts drinking the Pitt coolaid that transformed Gray into an NBA player, McGhee into a canddiate for Big East defensive player of the year, and Adams from a completely unrefined giant to someone who by the end of the year started to look like a real player.

Comment by DD 11.27.14 @ 1:43 pm

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