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October 1, 2014

Past PITT QBs’ Ground Games

Filed under: Football,Opponent(s),Players — Reed @ 3:00 am

(Note: “Fun with Stats!” again – there maybe some small math errors and lapses in info from RR’s years but this is a pretty accurate take on this subject.)

We have spent a good amount of time discussing Chad Voytik’s short career as a starter with both articles and hundreds of reader’s comments. We have talked about his past, his time since coming to PITT, his winning the starting job and his performance in that position through the first five games of this 2014 season.

What has been one common thread in those discussions is Voytik’s ability to move well with the football.  That includes called rollouts on passing plays, called running plays where he is the primary ball carrier and scrambles away from the defensive line pressure.

His box score with ‘ball in hand’ is as follows:

Opponent Rush Attempts Yards YPC Long TDs
Delaware 2 11 5.5 7 0
BC 6 47 7.8 23 0
FIU 12 144 9.5 40 1
Iowa 5 6 1.2 15 0
Akron 8 7 0.9 15 0

So on the season, adding back the sack yardage (-38 yards) which comes off the top of his rushing totals, he’s has 33 carries for 253 yards at a 7.66 ypc clip with a long of 40 and one TD.

QB Games Played Rush Attempts Yards YPC YPG TDs
Voytik 5 28 253 9.0 50.6 1

Now that is his production when he has the ball in his hand and makes a positive move to pick up yards on the ground, and is what I consider a basis when talking about a QBs running ability His stats in this are very good.  He accounts for almost 20% of PITT’s 1,347 yards rushing total to date.

That is a good thing for a QB to be able to do and we have seen Voytik use his legs to both keep series alive on shorter 3rd down conversions but also pick up 1st down on his longer runs.  It is a great skill for a QB to have but it has to be used to make Voytik a more effective all around QB.  After the game on Saturday I wrote the MMQB article and in it I said this about Chad Voytik’s runs during the Akron game:

“Even his running game, which is his only actual strength, was hesitant save for that one good (15 yard) 1st down scamper, which was great to watch.  When that goes out the door I think some real serious decisions have to be at least talked about and considered by the offensive staff for the future of the team.”

It wasn’t that I thought his skill at running was diminished but that if whatever emphasis the staff, and Voytik himself, put on his ability to run the football diminishes then his total worth as a starter goes down also in my opinion. Just to be clear, I think he’s a great runner, has been since he got to PITT and it is an aspect of his game that has to be used for him to be a successful college QB.

In the comments section of that MMQB article our long time commenter, Emel, made this observation:

“Oh, I think Voytik is plenty athletic enough. He’s probably the most athletic QB we’ve had since Rod Rutherford, although they never let Rod show his running ability as QB (that was another one I could never understand).

Voytik doesn’t have the strongest arm especially in the pocket. He seems to throw much better when rolling out. Reed and I tossed this around a few weeks ago. Are they trying to make him into something he is not? That being a pro-style QB. Square peg into round hole kind of thing.”

That is something that we have talked about here on The Pitt Blather for months.

Anyway, the reference Emel made to Rod Rutherford got me thinking about which QBs we have had over the last 10+ years were decent runners.  So I crunched some numbers, and this chart is without the sack totals or sack yardage accounted for (red is the leader):

QB Games Played Rush Attempts Yards YPC YPG TDs
Rutherford 46 419 880 2.10 19.13 14
Palko 43 275 364 1.32 8.47 12
Sunseri 44 276 (-)148 .54 3.36 7

Now, subtracting the number of sacks and the lost sack yardage and it is a different story, remember it is a positive move to pick up yards on the ground):

QB Games Played Rush Attempts Yards YPC YPG TDs
Voytik 5 28 253 9.0 50.6 1
Rutherford 46 290 1546 5.3 33.6 14
Palko 43 182 1080 5.9 25.1 12
Sunseri 44 152 738 4.9 16.8 7

Note: Here are the number of sacks and total yardage lost by each QB: Rutherford – 129 sacks for (-) 666 yards; Sunseri – 124 sacks for (-) 886 yards and Palko – 85 sacks for (-) 716 yards.

So, if you project Chad Voytik’s numbers over a full three full career  you get:

QB Games Played Rush Attempts Yards YPC YPG TDs
Voytik 39 210 1973 9.4 50.5 8

That is pretty impressive overall and would put him firmly in 1st place among the four QBs if his career goes that way.

What is interesting about all of this is that when we think of a ‘running QB’ we believe that their passing would suffer because of that trait, but this isn’t necessarily the rule, at least at PITT.  All the of those past four QBs were very good passers also and are standing at #3 Sunseri, #4 Palko and #5 Rutherford as PITT’s all time passing leaders (behind Van Pelt and Marino).

Note: I dropped Bill Stull out of this because after looking that the stats he really wasn’t much at running the ball.  But for those who are interested here are his numbers after sacks and sack yardage are taken out:

QB Games Played Rush Attempts Yards YPC YPG TDs
Stull 30 27 26 0.9 0.8 3

 





Da, Frank MD, Dr. Tom – Although a Pitt season ticket holder, I have made a number of journeys to Charlottesville for games as I live in the West End of Richmond and its only 50 min away.

Dr. Tom is correct in pointing out some of the logistics upon arrival in Charlottesville. Having said that they have a pretty good routine down for getting people in and out.

If arriving from the north, one might logically select the University Hall/John Paul Jones Arena area to park. But I recommend the Fontaine Research Park instead. It closer to the stadium than other open lots and is right next to the 29 bypass for an easier in and out.

Our group will be parking at the Immanuel Lutheran Church lot on Jefferson Park Ave, so if you want something stronger than a coffee, stop by. I will be wearing a blue 82 jersey eating some sort of sausage.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 10.02.14 @ 9:31 am

8 wins… doesn’t matter who. This program needs 8 wins this year.

Comment by Snala the Panther 10.02.14 @ 9:32 am

Upittbaseball, I agree with you, your a mover & a shaker, get er done! When can we expect your “Punt Pederson” campaign to “kick off”?

Comment by Dr. Tom 10.02.14 @ 9:44 am

Interesting to read that article that Joe Lawrence posted about attendance issues at UVA, especially in light of recent discussions here. It’s almost as though this really is not a problem exclusive to Pitt.

So many of the issues raised there are issues raised here. Low crowd turnouts? Check. Complacent crowds? Check. Team coming off a couple of substandard/mediocre seasons? Check.

And this in an on-campus stadium with the team playing to a more attractive home slate.

It’s not to excuse anything here, of course. It’s simply interesting to me that these same problems exist at other schools that have some of the things that this program is perceived to lack.

Comment by Stoosh 10.02.14 @ 9:48 am

Joe Lawerence- I’m going to the game and staying overnight, don’t know what hotel my girlfriend booked it, is there any shuttle/cab service to the game or are we better off driving in ourselves?

Comment by Steve h 10.02.14 @ 9:52 am

Stoosh – They only won 2 games last year. That is the biggest takeaway. They win 7-8 and I bet you the crowds come. Doc – I wish I had pull. I have more pull at UF than U of P. Haha.

Comment by Upittbaseball 10.02.14 @ 10:22 am

Thanks for the UVA info!!!

However, as I broached the subject of running down to Charlottesville from Potomac, the air was
peppered with phrases such as……

“are you nuts?”
“you have to pick up and drop off people”
“you have to help carry shower gifts out”

and the famous…….

“you just said you were never going to another Pitt game again just a few days ago”

Looks like ESPN3 for me.

Comment by Dan 10.02.14 @ 12:20 pm

Dan, only a true Pitt Fan is there through thick and thin, mostly thin, you are to be commended for even considering the action.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by gc 10.02.14 @ 1:10 pm

Steve h – if you are staying at the Omni (great location), I think they have a shuttle that can get you probably to the area known as “The Corner”, which is just across the street from the original grounds (they don’t call it campus). From there its a short walk.

There are a couple other hotels near the medical enter which a short cab ride will get you closer.

If you are staying up on Rt 29 north of town, you could drive down and follow the suggestions I made to “just Dan” of Potomac.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 10.02.14 @ 2:02 pm

For those going to the game…

You will note that the UVa song played after a score is written to the music of “Auld Lang Syne” and the lyrics are….hmmmm…. well, the cheer at the end of the song is good.

My point in bringing this up is that you will not feel the least bit ashamed when our band plays Sweet Caroline at the end of Q3. And I suggest you sing it robustly as Mr Jefferson’s fans will have nary a counter to it.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 10.02.14 @ 2:06 pm

Guys I think I’ve finally cracked the code.

This asinine video was Published on Sept 12th. It’s been all downhill from there.

http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/blog/2014/09/video-shake-it-off—pitt-athletics.html

Comment by Atlanta Panther 10.02.14 @ 2:14 pm

That’s gotta be it Atlanta.

Or BC owed us a ‘welcome’ gift to the ACC. 🙂

Comment by Emel 10.02.14 @ 2:25 pm

Syracuse got their’s last year.

Which resulted in a bowl bid 😉

Comment by Emel 10.02.14 @ 2:27 pm

@gc, aren’t we all on here, huh?? LOL

This is a tough bunch!!

We agree a lot, we disagree, we laugh, we fight, but truthfully, I probably have a lot more in common with the people here on the Blather than I do with a lot of people I run into in the normal course of my life.

Passionate people about Pitt and Pitt athletics!!

H2P!

Comment by Dan 10.02.14 @ 4:37 pm

Ramella – a friend of mine is one of those “legendary” HS football coaches that every state seems to have – this guy coached for 30+ years and won many State championships and he’s who I talk to for ‘nuts and bolts’ football issues.

We talked about a QB throwing behind his receivers once and he said that happens a lot of times when you have a new QB who hasn’t played much and hesitates because he can’t adapt to any small variations away from how the receiver’s routes are exactly drawn up in the playcall. So if the WR breaks off a slant pattern at 9 yards instead of 6 then the QB gets flustered and hesitates.

This happens also with timing patterns because the QB has studied the playbook and although he gets the THEORY behind throwing the ball to a spot where no one is yet he most likely never had to do that in HS ball and it takes a long time to get used to.

This separates the inexperienced from the guys who both trust themselves to let go of the ball and trust the receivers to be where they are supposed to after their ‘break’.

Comment by Reed 10.03.14 @ 5:20 am

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