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January 15, 2014

Avoiding the Road Pitfall

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 8:45 am

Any time a ranked team loses to an unranked team it is a big deal in that news cycle. Regardless of how the other team is doing. Road or not. Conference game is minimized. Just look at Kentucky and Wisconsin going down last night. They played teams with NCAA Tournament expectations of their own on the road. They lost in close, tight games and it is treated as an amazing thing.

For that moment it looks like it, but when seen over the course of the whole season it hardly seems surprising. It was a conference loss on the road. No one expected either team to go undefeated in conference or only lose one or two games. In conference play, on average, if you lose no more than two home games and go 5-4 on the road, you are an upper-tier team.

From that perspective, if Pitt had lost last night at Georgia Tech it wouldn’t have been a huge shock. GT, like so many middle-of-the-pack teams plays far better at home than on the road.

In the moment, though, it would have been treated as a bigger deal since Pitt finally got ranked. By virtue of doing nothing but winning all but one game, Pitt pushed past the Seth Davises who wouldn’t rank or credit Pitt as punishment for the non-con. Or those who only saw the Cinci mess and base their entire POV on that game. A loss, though, to GT right after ranking would be their justification and proof they were right.

So, in that way, this was a big win for Pitt.

I find beating GT last night a big win because Pitt is now 2-0 on the road and 4-0 overall in the ACC. The schedule gets a lot tougher over the next 2 weeks starting on Saturday. A trip to Syracuse. Home games with Duke and UVa, and a road game at Maryland. There’s also a surprisingly competent Clemson team coming to the Pete in the mix.  It’s hard to envision Pitt coming through that stretch unscathed, but the Panthers are in a good place heading into this stretch.

On to a brief recap of last night.

Lamar Patterson did not have a good game. Check that, he had a horrible first half but righted things in the second half.

First half: 0-5, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 turnovers

Second half: 4-8 (including a 3), 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 turnovers

And despite Pitt’s best player having a really bad first half, Pitt was only down 3 points at the half. In no small part because Talib Zanna has continued to be consistently excellent in conference play (free throws not included)  and James Robinson felt the need to get to scoring.

Point guard James Robinson and shooting guard Cameron Wright combined for 30 points — nearly a dozen above their combined average — to lead the No. 22 Panthers to an 81-74 victory over Georgia Tech on Tuesday night at McCamish Pavilion.

“James can score, and I feel like I’ve been pretty consistent this year, but we lost Durand, and that hurt all of us,” said Wright, who scored 12 of his 14 points in the second half. “We’re playing for him because he deserves it. He brings energy, things that coaches can’t coach. He brings a passion to the game, his intensity and, of course, that 3-point shot that we’re going to definitely miss.”

The victory sets up a showdown between former Big East foes and ACC newcomers Pitt (16-1, 4-0) and No. 2 Syracuse (17-0, 4-0) at 4 p.m. Saturday at the Carrier Dome.

Robinson cracked double digits for the first time this season, scoring a career-high 16 points.

“I just said I was going to be aggressive on the offensive end,” said Robinson, who also had five assists and four steals. “If my shot was there, I was going to take it.”

Zanna and Robinson had 10 and 11 points respectively in the first half.

In the second, Patterson and Wright found their grooves to go with Zanna — who finished with 22 points and 9 rebounds. Pitt was just beating GT. Wearing them down as they have done to other teams. You could see it as Pitt just dominated on the boards.

In fact, they outrebounded the Yellow Jackets, 38-18, and that led to a 46-34 edge in points in the paint and a 21-11 edge in second-chance points.

“I’m excited about the win, I am excited by how we did it,” Dixon said. “The rebounding, you obviously have to win that on the road and to do it by that kind of margin was very good. We also hit some free throws down the stretch. The rebounding really stood out to me. Our rebounding numbers have been good, but we always believe we can get better and we did a good job.

“And our passing was terrific, that is what we do, we are good shooting team, but when you get layups, that is why you shoot 57 percent from the field.”

GT had 12 rebounds in the first half. They only had 6 for the entire second half — only 3 defensive. The lack of defensive rebounds also had a lot to do with how well Pitt moved the ball and scored so efficiently. But still. ONLY 3 DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS IN 20 MINUTES!

With under six minutes to go, Pitt had opened up a 14 point lead.

Credit to GT and their coach, Brian Gregory. They did not give up when it got this bad. They really kept playing hard even when down 10 and 90 seconds left. They stretched — god, did they stretch — that final minute-and-a-half out. Making some big shots. Fouling quickly, and attacking Pitt. The Panthers were caught off-guard since they really haven’t had this situation all year. They made some bad fouls to let GT score without time moving. Trae Golden for the Yellowjackets did everything he could to drag the rest of his team to  a miracle.

In the end, Pitt kept it together. Made enough free throws and got enough stops to escape with the win.





Someone last night on the 4 letter network, said after the game, “the ACC should thank Syracuse and Pitt for coming on board, otherwise”

ha ha

In the long run, year in and year out, it will be the best basketball conference in the world.

Tobacco road off this year, ya, won’t be for long though.

Comment by Dan 01.15.14 @ 3:00 pm

@Emel, I didn’t know much of my post, other than highly recruited.

It’s a shame we sometimes learn of others doings after they’ve passed.

Comment by Dan 01.15.14 @ 3:02 pm

Believe me Dan-o down here, their choking on their pride. As they never believed the BigEast was better than the ACC. Even though the facts suggested otherwise for the last 4-5 years.

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 3:04 pm

right Dan-o

Never knew Curtis was also recruited by Ivy League schools, Yale, Harvard and Penn. Man he was only 43.

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 3:06 pm

Pitt’s Official Stmt.

“Curtis made indelible contributions as both a player and assistant coach at Pitt. His competitive nature on the field was only surpassed by his kind and gentle demeanor off of it ,” the University of Pittsburgh athletic department said in a statement. “Our deepest sympathies go out to his family and many loved ones. While Curtis will be greatly missed, he will not be forgotten by the many people he touched at Pitt.”

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 3:10 pm

Did you hear the announcers put Talib in the All Conference mix?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.15.14 @ 3:13 pm

“The Pitt Football Family is shocked and saddened to hear of Curtis Bray’s untimely passing. Curtis made indelible contributions as both a player and assistant coach at Pitt. His competitive nature on the field was only surpassed by his kind and gentle demeanor off of it. Our deepest sympathies go out to his family and many loved ones. While Curtis will be greatly missed, he will not be forgotten by the many people he touched at Pitt.”

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 3:13 pm

@sos22

With the way Z is playing he should be. Missed a Double/Double by 1 rebound which he would have got easily had not a couple bogus fouls put him on the bench.

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 3:16 pm

There had always been a big discrepancy between Duke and NC vs the rest of the gang. Maryland, NC State, GT and Wake had their moments, but were mostly unsustained.

Top to bottom there was nothing like and will be nothing like the Big East.

Big Ten Basketball celebrating the break up of the Big East.

The only mistakes Big East Basketball made were letting DePaul in and letting Providence be in charge. If the football schools were in charge it would still exist. Penn State would have been included and Miami, Va Tech and BC would have never left, as for ND…..

Comment by gc 01.15.14 @ 3:16 pm

I kind of remember that Curtis sustained an injury that ended his chances at the Pros. A solid Pitt guy, he will be missed.

Comment by gc 01.15.14 @ 3:21 pm

happened at night practice with hackett the professor,

Comment by paul shannon 01.15.14 @ 3:29 pm

I agree about the last 4 or 5 years of the Big East being superior.

Let’s not kid ourselves though, the Big East had plenty of it’s share of dogs.

Rutgers, Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall, South Florida, St. John’s.

All junk.

Not disparaging the Big East.

Loved it. Let’s face it, the conference was effed up from the get go.

Basketball, then Basketball and some Football, then some new members, football only, then 3 teams leave, then this, then that.

It never had the all around conference feel.

Everyone’s different, but personally, I love seeing the Pitt logo next to all of the ACC schools, in football and basketball.

I think we all agree, and gone over ad nauseum, if Pitt and PSU could have worked it out, and had the Eastern All Sports Conference back in the early 80’s, would have been great and ideal.

Didn’t happen.

Pretty happy where we landed.

Wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.

Will I miss UCONN, G-Town and Villanova, of course, but will be just as happy playing Tobacco Road.

And as far as the mid level to lower teams in both leagues, I am much happier playing GTU, Wake, Clemson, Fla. St, NC State than

playing South Florida, DePaul and Butgers.

Just my humble opinion. Off year or not for the conference, love the ACC!!

Comment by Dan 01.15.14 @ 3:53 pm

The ACC will never compare to the BE. Prov, the Hall, & the Johnies would wipe the floor with some of these chumps. The BE’s record of 11 teams in the dance will never be touched. I wish the BE could have figured it out & stayed together, but I’d rather be in the ACC than the AAC.

Comment by Nick 01.15.14 @ 4:05 pm

Loved to watch Curtis play. Condolences to family.

PSU 5 star recruit Holley going to FL.

Lets see if ESPN pumps up Cuse game.

Comment by Frank MD 01.15.14 @ 4:22 pm

Sad news about Curtis Bray. He chose Pitt during a time when there was tons of talent coming to Oakland but no one more heralded at the time then Curtis Bray (except maybe Sean Gilbert). A genuine guy who everyone liked. May he rest in peach and his family find comfort. Tough loss for the Pitt family!

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 01.15.14 @ 4:25 pm

Ben & Jerry’s isn’t the same since Unilever bought it. Wings was good but not the Beatles. Things change. Living in the here and now, I’m perfectly content to be in the ACC.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.15.14 @ 4:27 pm

Sincerest condolences to Curtis Bray’s family. He was special. And way too young.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.15.14 @ 4:28 pm

We are all happy to be in the ACC, let’s just stop the greatest conference ever BS. That was the Big East. Until someone does better.

Comment by gc 01.15.14 @ 4:37 pm

May want to watch this game….

link to al.com

Thoughts & prayers for the Bray family.

Comment by Jackagain 01.15.14 @ 5:12 pm

@Jackagain – notice that ACC has the most players in the Senior Bowl? Is that because the conference is deeper and better or because they don’t leave early for the NFL?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.15.14 @ 5:19 pm

“Where Pitt was playing its first game without Johnson, who was averaging 8.8 points when he tore his ACL against Wake Forest on Saturday, the Yellow Jackets were playing without forward Robert Carter Jr. (knee) and Jason Morris (concussion) and guards Travis Jorgensen (knee) and Solomon Poole (migraines).”

Written like GT played without 4 starters. Wrong only Carter was getting many minutes (26). Losing Carter & Durand was sort of a wash.

The other 3 were basically bench players who played some in rent-a-win games.
**Travis Jorgensen hasn’t play since November 20th. And averaged 4 ppg, shooting 31% FG
**Jason Morris only played 6 games this year and avg’d 2 ppg on 28% FG shooting (wish he would have played)
** Solomon Poole avg’d 6 ppg on 39% FG & 29% from 3. Poole scored 5 points in 2 games against MD & Duke in limited minutes.

Actually wish some of these bench players were available for them, as Golden would have got less minutes on the court.

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 6:22 pm

Just got to watch the replay.

This much is clear, gentlemen:

Len Elmore and Tom Hart have a SERIOUS crush on Pitt. Especially Len. OMG! Man if I were a GT fan I would have been pissed. John Lennon = Jesus? No. Apparently, Lamar = Jesus. Clapton = God? No, Jamie Dixon is. Gheesh!

Comment by DD 01.15.14 @ 6:24 pm

1-Still feel the refs made the game much closer in the end with phantom calls.

2-Loved how well we rebounded. This worried me in the past few games.

3-Young seems to be the only reliable free throw shooter down the stretch. This worries me especially with Zana at the line.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.15.14 @ 7:07 pm

The one reservation I had last night while watching the game was that SOS22 will never stop talking about Zanna …. but only 1 post so far.

Guess Z has been so consistent lately, it’s just another day at the office.

Comment by wbb 01.15.14 @ 7:15 pm

NOT CRAZY ABOUT RANDALL. THE LAW SUIT AGAINST RUTGERS DOESN’T HELP. GET AWAY FROM THOSE B’KLYN LAWYERS!

HOPEFULLY HE JUST NEEDS TIME TO ADJUST TO THE OTHER PLAYERS. NEEDS TO BE MORE AGRESSIVE. HELL, HE’S FROM B’KLYN SHOULD BE TOUGHER.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.15.14 @ 7:32 pm

I have waited 4 long years for Talib to deliver. I knew it was coming and that he had the ability. He is getting better every game and his improvement is now starting to resemble Patterson’s. Wright and Robinson are also becoming very complete players. We lack experience at the 4 and at the bench but there is talent. Saturday we have an opportunity to change the whole perspective in the ACC and nationally.HTP

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.15.14 @ 7:40 pm

Where are all the Dixon detractors now? Does anyone miss Trey Zeigler and JJ Moore? I remember this summer when every other post was in a panic. Dixon can’t coach the elite talent. He is going to have to change his style for the ACC. Kids don’t want to play his style. Well you were all full of sxxx and Dixon and his team and style and kids are kicking AXX and taking names.HTP

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.15.14 @ 7:52 pm

@wbb He keeps playing this well the only “reservations” you’ll need will be for the sweet 16

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.15.14 @ 7:56 pm

TOLD YA SO!

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.15.14 @ 7:56 pm

had to open my mouth!

Comment by wbb 01.15.14 @ 8:00 pm

@wbb you gotta love this team and what they are doing.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.15.14 @ 8:05 pm

they are so fun to watch, it could have been me announcing the game, not Elmore.

Comment by wbb 01.15.14 @ 8:10 pm

Games tonite that can help Pitt’s RPI/seeding:

Lehigh over American (@Lehigh, maybe a close one)

Maryland over Notre Dame (@MD)

Duquesne over Saint Joseph’s (Dukes down by 30+)

Clemson over Virginia Tech (@VA Tech, Clemson may pull this off)

Albany over UMass-Lowell (Albany should pick up a road win)

Texas Tech over Baylor (TT at home, could be close)

North Carolina State over Wake Forest (@Wake, not likely)

Fresno State over San Diego State (@SDST, not likely)

Stanford over Washington State (Stanford should win at home)

Comment by xfmrman 01.15.14 @ 8:32 pm

It’s not too soon to think that Pitt will make the tourney and that RPI will matter, is it?

Comment by xfmrman 01.15.14 @ 8:38 pm

Dunno xfmr.

Lunardi has been at it for weeks already. Soon it will be 365 days a year.

I’d like to play ND now as they are getting beatup pretty good by teams we dismantled, pretty much.

Comment by Emel 01.15.14 @ 8:50 pm

@spirit, I miss Ziegler, especially now that Johnson is out. But I don’t miss his lousy foul shooting.

Comment by Howard 01.15.14 @ 8:52 pm

Yeah Pitt Dad, I noticed that about the ACC players. More than the great (cough) SEC…

Comment by Jackagain 01.15.14 @ 9:08 pm

Spirit….I never missed Zeigler, but we could sure use JJ with Durand out…

UMass just came from behind to beat GM by 1….sigh…

Comment by Jackagain 01.15.14 @ 9:17 pm

texas tech smacking Baylor by 21 at half

Comment by rhyno527 01.15.14 @ 10:00 pm

Tx Tech still up by 18 with 10 min left

Great hockey game!

Comment by wbb 01.15.14 @ 10:34 pm

That should be considered a bad, bad loss for Baylor. Should certainly knock them down from #12 in the rankings.

Comment by Lou 01.15.14 @ 10:37 pm

down to 13 with 7 left

Comment by wbb 01.15.14 @ 10:41 pm

Too bad UMass didn’t lose too…Fresno St. is up by 1 at the half against #10 San Diego St.

OK…which one of you guys asked PSU grad Micco this at the PG?

“Jerry, Ron Cook called Bill O’brien despicable for leaving Penn State, but had high praise for Franklin and he did the same thing. Don’t you exercise any editorial control? Or does this fall in line with the speak no evil policy you have when it comes to PSU?”

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by Jackagain 01.15.14 @ 11:03 pm

Thoughts and prayers with the Bray family first and foremost this evening.

Second, I was not warm and fuzzy watching the Artis free throw. I did get the fuzzies when Young stepped to the line, cool, confident and smooth. Well done, young man. The game was real sloppy for long. Personally, I think GT missed by not playing Poole longer and earlier. That said, tough crap. Pitt outplayed them at the end of the day and the scoreboard proved it out.

Funny how we have hit the spread right on point the last two games. Pitt might be catching Syracuse a little over confident which can be dangerous. Such a fine line.

Happy to see the east coast car sales rep in the valley replace a five star with a three star. As far as recruiting is concerned, I believe they had a large number of early enrollees and if I remember correctly, they get charged back to the prior year. Is that right? If so, this new class should take a hit as far as rankings and will allow for extra signings. Did we have any/many early enrolls? So beneficial to do that!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.15.14 @ 11:09 pm

News from Maryland-pulling from both the Balt. Sun and Wash. Post articles: Maryland counter-suing the ACC for treble damage, apparently this is standard in this kind of a case. What is interesting is that it is asserted that when the Big10 poached Maryland the ACC retaliated by contacting at least 2 Big10 teams located east of the Mississippi about joining the ACC. What is even more interesting is that it is asserted that the contacts were made by Pitt and Wake Forest with apparently at least the tacit but not admitted approval of ESPN. Pitt and Wake forest have no comment. Of course these are just assertions and this smells of the legal business of throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks. It is a counter suit after all. Nevertheless since Pitt and Wake have responded to reporters with no comment we can have great fun speculating who the 2 or more teams are who were contacted. Call me crazy but my bet would be that if this happened Pitt contacted the Nits. Who might have made the contacts is another area for wild speculation.

Comment by OPFIM 01.15.14 @ 11:40 pm

I’ve been critical but deeply admire JD, thought in past had game management mistakes but there is no one on earth I’d rather see coaching my Alma Mater. You can’t replace his core values but there was room for improvement & and I think that he’s grown. I’ll be able to more fully appreciate that when I finally see live games

Comment by Old School Panther 01.16.14 @ 6:10 am

Hit submit inadvertently. I’ll see Clemson & tourney live. As John pointed out JD looks more vocal & animated; if so healthy way to vent under absurd pressure. To me the biggest transformation is Z who appears relaxed, not pressing and enjoying himself. The cat like moves face up attacking left and right, the picture perfect 10 ft jumper from right side, this is a kid doing was he does in practice now performing on the big stage. Z has qualities we’ve never had before at 5. Now that it’s on tape coaches will plan; attack him, early fouls, etc. Could even happen Sat. JD needs a back up to Z for the inevitable. LP needs to recognize defense strategies, adjust accordingly. If the refs don’t kill us Sat we might see some pretty inside passing from LP high post to Z & MY low. H2P

Comment by Old School Panther 01.16.14 @ 6:22 am

With LOI Signing Day only a few weeks away, the Gazette had a piece on one of our defensive backfield recruits today, Patrick Amara. Apparently he has an “in” with Shady McCoy since he lives in Philly and McCoy reached out to him after his verbal commitment was made to Pitt.

That kind of recruiting help is what we need more of for this program! What I loved the most was that Amara is talking trash against penn state right away. Over two years until these programs get to knock helmets on the field once again and a Pitt recruit that hasn’t even signed on the dotted line yet already hates penn state.

Gotta love it! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.16.14 @ 8:28 am

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