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August 21, 2013

Wondering About the Running Game

Filed under: Football,Players — Chas @ 1:24 pm

Any discussion about the state of Pitt’s running game is almost forced to acknowledge the existence of Rushel Shell. His departure in the spring subtly changed the tenor of things. I’m not talking the preview magazine style of “who will run the football?” and citing the spot as a position of weakness.

It went from Pitt having a workhorse back with other backs behind him just being the change-0f-pace; to much more of a tandem or rotation of backs with Isaac Bennett leading the way but not relying on one player. But even after Shell departed there was and still is a strange confidence in Pitt fans that Pitt will get offense on the ground.

Part of it is an earned confidence. Over the last fifteen plus years it seems Pitt always has at worst a serviceable running game. Whether it was the individual talent of LeSean McCoy, the undersized but surprisingly effective Dion Lewis or LaRod Stephens-Howling. Even with Walt Harris and a pass-heavyt offense there were bursts with Brandon Miree and Kevan Barlow. Even Ray Kirkley could grind out some yards.

Then it is the system in place and the coach. Paul Chryst’s history as an offensive coordinator at Wisconsin is heavy on emphasizing a run, and adapting to the situation. Whether a workhorse, tandem or committee. So maybe Pitt won’t have a single player go for 1000 yards or more, but it wouldn’t surprise anyone to see two or three players total 1200-1500 yards.

From the spring practices to the present training camp, that confidence has been maintained even as the names have already changed. In the spring it was Isaac Bennett, Malcolm Crockett and Desmond Brown. Perhaps fullback Mark Giubilato getting some work. Now Bennett is still the lead guy (probably) but it’s James Conner, Crockett and perhaps Rachid Ibrahim. Gibilato is getting pushed by Jaymar Parrish.

Bennett started very strong in camp. Clearly establishing that he should be the starting tailback. Working hard at every opportunity.

“You keep the same goal in mind: Just to help the team get better every day,” he said.

Those Pitt fans wondering how the running game will survive without the team’s top two ball carriers from a year ago might have forgotten about Bennett.

Two years ago as a freshman, he started two games and averaged 4.1 yards per carry, carrying 42 times for 189 yards over a three-game stretch late in the season that made Pitt bowl-eligible. Last year ­— in only 29 attempts — he gained 4.9 yards per try.

The problem being that Bennett got banged up barely a week into camp and has been sidelined since. Coach Chryst has continued to say it is a minor injury — and no explanation of the injury beyond that. That he will be ready for the start of the season. Yet Bennett continues to be on the sideline with a brace —  of varying size depending on the day — on his knee.

Making the most of early chances and impressing the coaches, Conner came into camp strong. .

“Coaches told me, ‘You need to be ready because you are going to be getting the ball this year,’ ” he said after practice. When asked if he expects to be redshirted, he said, “No, I don’t believe so.”

Conner is a physically imposing running back (6-foot-2, 230 pounds) who played defensive end at a Pitt camp last summer before his senior year at Erie McDowell High School. But after Conner was named all-state at both positions by Pennsylvania Football News (end as a junior, running back as a senior), Pitt coaches decided to use him on offense.

Pitt needed help at running back even before Bennett’s injury, with only sophomore Malcolm Crockett (12 career carries), senior and former walk-on Desmond Brown and 185-pound freshman Rachid Ibrahim providing depth.

Connor had to be an attractive option for the Pitt coaches at running back at the start of camp, because he was a big physical back that would be an excellent change of pace from Bennett or Crockett. Or even Ibrahim. Bennett and Crockett are about the same size and weight — 5-10 or -11 and 205 pounds — while Connor is 6-2, 230 pounds. Ibrahim is nearly as tall as Connor, but is only around 185 pounds.

I really don’t see any way Ibrahim gets on the field this year that doesn’t include a Pitt’s own version of AIHRBG striking everyone down (an APHRBG).

Crockett seems to have been passed by Conner. Part of it certainly is that from spring practices to August, Crockett has struggled to hold on to the ball. Desmond Brown was a nice story in the spring coupled with his brother being Steelers WR Antonio Brown. Earning a scholarship and providing a needed body for some depth. But the reality has pushed him out of the picture.

Most of it, though, has to do with how well Connor has played whether with the first team or second team. He’s now got more than a little confidence to go with a chip on the shoulder.

“I plan on being the first running back on the field (for the opener Sept. 2 against Florida State),” Conner said.

Coach Paul Chryst is not ready to announce a starter, but Bennett hasn’t practiced since injuring his knee Aug. 10, the fifth day of training camp. Bennett, a junior who started two games as a freshman in 2011, ascended to the job when Ray Graham exhausted his eligibility last season and Rushel Shell left the team this spring.

Meanwhile, Conner has been one of the surprises of camp. At 6-foot-2, 235 pounds, he has displayed power and speed while trying to alter an upright running style that coaches detest.

“I have to run low to the ground to keep my balance and break the defenders,” he said.

Conner said he reported to camp weighing 250 pounds, but he changed his diet and lost between 10 and 15.

“I read something on the Internet — I shouldn’t be paying attention to that — but it said I can’t hit the long home run. So, I want to be able to break a 60-yard run and go the distance, instead of getting tripped up.

“Watching film from the first couple days of practice, I was, ‘Man, I look slow out there.’ Now I feel good.”

As for the chip on his shoulder…

Conner was an all-state selection last season at Class AAAA Erie McDowell, where he ran for 1,680 yards and 21 touchdowns. Yet, his only college offers — other than Pitt — came from four Mid-American Conference schools and Youngstown State.

That only served to fuel his desire to succeed.

“I don’t let anyone else tell me how good I can be,” he said. “I come out every day and try to outwork everybody on the field.”

Conner said he is accustomed to being the underdog. He has four older brothers, including one in the Air Force and another who is a cage fighter.

“Them beating me up all day, I have to have confidence,” he said.

To be fair, his low offer sheet had more to do with his grades. He was working hard to make them up the summer before his senior year, and he committed to Pitt in August which killed other interest. If you go back and read the his comments, his verbal to Pitt seems almost grudgingly given at that point. Annoyed that he didn’t have better offers/respect at that point. Still, if those kind of slights help him, by all means go for it.





On the radio they said Bennett returned to practice today. Hope I heard right. This O-line ought to be able to move people. They are big and strong with enough experience. Really happy about Clemmings. Not a good position to start a frosh, no matter how talented.

The only frosh that was better than upperclassmen from the getgo was Fralic and I believe he played guard, not tackle. It was said that he could have gone straight to the pros, he was so big and strong. They coined the term pancake for him. A new stat for putting your opponent on his backside.

I hope we get to count a few pancakes this year.

Comment by gc 08.21.13 @ 2:24 pm

A FEW NOTES;

– Bennett is back in full gear today, sans brace, but not practiciing. Would assume he’ll play vs FSU.
– I see Chas has done what many of us have been doing .. using both Conner and Connor. Believe the correct spelling is Conner.
– so Conner went from DE to RB while Durham went from FB to DE. This is hardly unprecedented. Does anyone remember Tim Manoa of North Allegheny who played at PSU? He started as a soph at DE, but was the starting FB on the ’86 National Championship game.
– Conner, like Manoa, has to be one tough kid a heck of an athlete, especially making all-state at 2 different positions.

Comment by wbb 08.21.13 @ 2:26 pm

We need a HEALTHY Bennett, that’s all there is to it. When Shell defected that was the reason Pitt fans were able to say good ridence to him without worrying. Sir Bennett will be a 1000yd RB this season IF he remains healthy. Not being so healthy even before the season gets underway leaves me very concerned.

I feel we will see greatly improved OL play this season. However I don’t want to rely on a true Freshman who only has one full year under his belt at the running back position in HS, even though I’m high on Conner for the future.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.21.13 @ 3:47 pm

yes – remember Manoa

Manoa played fullback (not tailback) – and Manoa was faster than Conner

.

Comment by anony 08.21.13 @ 4:09 pm

I need a clarification, what is AIHRBG and APHRBG?

Comment by 2$Chuck 08.21.13 @ 4:21 pm

gc, a pal of mine brought up Fralic today in the context of Dorian Brown possibly red-shirting. His point: How could a stud like Brown even remotely be considered for red-shirt when a stud like Fralic started from the gitgo?

Here’s why:
link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Comment by steve1 08.21.13 @ 5:14 pm

We don’t remember Pedo State players at Pitt!

Only Pitt ones…..

In fact does Pedo state still play football up there in Creepy Valley ???

Mark May also was a stud early I believe as was Russ Grimm. As the early 80’s teams had Pitt’s best O-Line since the Jock Sutherland era.
Of course the 1976 NC team had one hell of an offensive line as well. And Tony only needed a small crease and he was gone for a TD.

We’ll have to see how Biz and DJ and the new Grimm develop, but in 2 years they could become a very very good O-line. Adding Bookser would be nice as well.

Haven’t seen our recruiting guru, Frankcan lately.
Hope he’s alright !

Comment by EMel 08.21.13 @ 5:59 pm

conner will do better than most are giving him credit for. running back is one of the easiest positions to make an impact at as a true freshman so im not worried about his age especially since he is physically more impressive than most backs youll see. he wont break off any 80 yard touch down runs but he has the ability to get 5 ypc this year and run for a good amount of yards, as many as Bennett, in my opinion. he can also ware down linebackers for potential big plays. he will just as big as if not bigger than most acc linebackers so if theyre getting pou nded by conner all game, then Bennett comes in who has good speed (maybe not home run speed but he is fast) and he breaks off a big one. im expecting a 45/45/10 split between Bennett/conner/crockett.

Ibrahim seems to have good potential. he is apparently shifty and has legitimate home run speed but my guess is they will try to maintain his redshirt unless there is an injury

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 6:11 pm

I see former Pitt lineman of the 2008 & 2009 good teams, John Milecki is on the Steelers 2 deep.

Jason Pinkston is the starting LG of the Browns

Lucas Nix is the starting LG for the Raiders.

CJ Davis is in the 2 deep for the Broncos.

Mike McGlynn is the starting RG for the Colts.

Ryan Turnley is on the Bills roster.

Amazing that a NFL starting LG (Lucas Nix) wouldn’t have been drafted. Some sort of bias against Pitt players ???

Comment by EMel 08.21.13 @ 6:22 pm

I will make one guarantee with respect to yards gained by our running backs this year and that is this. Our worst runner will have more yards than Shell. Wait, Savage doesn’t count as he is not a running back!

Getting excited for the season to begin fellas! Let’s keep it positive!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 08.21.13 @ 6:29 pm

Bennett ran a 10.90 100m in high school

that is home run speed

Comment by anony 08.21.13 @ 6:30 pm

Emel, good point. building a good team starts in the trenches. I think chryst is certainly on the way with that. he brought in good numbers on both lines this year. the freshman offensive linemen are apparently very physically impressive in terms of size and mobility. most are very raw, though other than dorian Johnson. on defense he brought in some good prospects but converted players like david durham and especially juan price will really help there. im concerned about defensive tackle after this year though. I really really like tyrique Jarrett and I think Darryl render is solid but dt will be a huge question next year.

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 6:31 pm

anony, track speed and football speed are two completely different animals. you train them differently and their techniques are different.

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 6:34 pm

Comment by anony 08.21.13 @ 6:46 pm

whats your point? ray graham had several runs of 50+ yards but he had far from home run speed. his runs never out ran anybody he was just elusive. there is a big difference

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 6:49 pm

the ‘point’ ?

Bennett displayed he has the speed –

on the track (electronically timed)

and on the football field

Comment by anony 08.21.13 @ 6:56 pm

go find me a video of a football play in which a player ran 100m in a dead strait line then ill concede. football is played mostly in a 10 yard box. 100m times go out the window in football. he is fast but until I see it I am not convinced that he has home run football speed. and 50 yard runs say little about home run speed. see my previous post.

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 7:00 pm

I shouldn’t say they say little, but relatively slow backs can run for 50 yards. its not a concrete proof of home run speed

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 7:02 pm

steve1, I was aware of the steroids, which were prevalent in that era. Mike Webster, Steve Courson, and many others from the Steelers. Fralic was a natural who probably could have got by without them.

They have moved on to human growth hormone and other chemicals, but don’t kid yourself if there is a way to get an edge some guys will… look at Lance Armstrong.

The thing is if everyone does it, it makes it hard to compete without it. These chemicals help in the healing process and with faster recovery from injury, with so much money on the line…big contracts… temptation…

Comment by gc 08.21.13 @ 7:16 pm

I think our line is going to be strong this year as well as down the road. They may not be ready for FSU, but they are big and strong. The tackles are the key. Bisnowaty is young, but no one is pushing him for playing time. Clemmings is the question mark, if he excels look out. Our guards are huge and seasoned. Center looks to be ok. We also have upper class depth in Hollins and Schlieper. If these guys stay healthy and gel four games in, we will have the ball control we need.

Schell made a major mistake.

Comment by gc 08.21.13 @ 7:27 pm

pk- You are wasting your breath. You realize who you are arguing with, dontcha?

Comment by ECH 08.21.13 @ 7:28 pm

So, gc, you’re saying forget testing, just let college players take all that stuff no matter what it does to their system?

To me that’s not a level playing field, it’s an elevated one.

Comment by steve1 08.21.13 @ 7:32 pm

ech, I am unaware

Comment by pk 08.21.13 @ 7:33 pm

I heard a story that Mark May, ran down the top of a row of parked cars on Fifth Ave. Steroids, alcohol, or just plain crazy, you decide.

Glad my car wasn’t one of them.

Comment by gc 08.21.13 @ 7:33 pm

steve1, I’m fine with testing, performance enhancing drugs should remain outlawed. Just making the point that people will always test the limits.

Comment by gc 08.21.13 @ 10:10 pm

My football buddies always kidded me that Mark May was the king of OL holding even after he was a Redskin.

But whatever it takes in my opinion.

Comment by Frank MD 08.21.13 @ 10:32 pm

lol all O-linemen hold. The trick is not getting caught. Or next best thing, not getting caught often. I played QB and always told my linemen if it’s a choice of me getting killed or you holding.
We’ll take the 15 yards, haha . 🙂

Pitt had some excellent asst. coaches back in that era. And I think Joe Avezzano was O-line coach during our latest NC year in ’76. After that it was Joe Moore I think. Might have been someone in between for a year or so.

Comment by EMel 08.22.13 @ 12:36 am

Thinking about the o-line down the road and the possibility of moving Dorian Johnson inside next season? Just a thought

Comment by Carey 08.22.13 @ 1:44 am

Mark May was a first round pick, was only called for holding once at Pitt, won the award for best OL in NCAA (forgot the name) as a senior, an all-american, has his number retired, and is in the college FB HOF …. so he did something right.

Comment by wbb 08.22.13 @ 6:12 am

Carey, I don’t see Dorian moving inside becuase of his excellent footwork and quickness … which is essential against the outside speed rushers that Pitt has had so many problems with the past 2 years, and the reason for moving both Rotheram and King inside to guard

Comment by wbb 08.22.13 @ 6:15 am

Johnson has good feet and athleticism – therefore projects as a tackle

in the future – possibly Johnson at left tackle and Bisnowaty could move to right tackle

looking ahead

Grimm – who will be Pitt freshman next season – is one big lineman (tackle on HS team) that could be moved inside (might not have footwork for tackle)

Comment by anony 08.22.13 @ 6:16 am

Good to see Bennett possibly being ready to go against FSU.

Still, I have never been confortable knowing Bennett was going to be the No. 1 back. A good athkete for the position who runs pretty hard with decent speed. But the shortcoming in his game has always been an inability to cut with speed which keeps him from the big play back he might otherwise be.

As for Conner, prior to camp to camp when it was still undecided whether he was going to play Defense or Offense… I said something to the effect that Conner is going to go a long way to making the loss of Rushel Shell seem like a distant memory.

However, despite the many accolades being heaped upon Conner for his performance in camp… and deservingly so… I still see him making his impact as a short-yardage power runner… a better one than Shell who seemed to having a growing disdain for hitting holes hard as the season wore on last year.

A final point about the running game… With Crockett being at best average and Ibrahim pretty much an unknown commodity… still see Tyler Boyd being the speed factor when it comes to the Pitt running game… more and more as the season goes on.

Comment by PittofDreams 08.22.13 @ 6:33 am

By the way… it’s funny how some of those quick to shoot down any possibility for a ftture On-Campus Football Stadium… are also some of the most avid Pitt basketball fans and Dixon supporters on the Blog.

Go figure.

Comment by PittofDreams 08.22.13 @ 6:44 am

Go figure what? I think one has little to do with the other unless you really want to reach.

And are you saying you want to see Boyd inserted at RB? Or used as a WR running reverses, etc…

Comment by JCE 08.22.13 @ 6:50 am

Mark May is a pretty good sportscaster as well, bringing glory to Pitt every football weekend. Holtz was a great coach, but a joke as analyst

If Johnson is good enough to go pro early, why redshirt him, get him on the field as much as possible to be ready for next year.

He is much more valuable as a Tackle, if he can do the job and everything says he can.

Bennett’s injury has given Conner more touches and now we have #1 and #1A.

Comment by gc 08.22.13 @ 6:50 am

In a State that can’t pass a transportation bill, because of politics, hard to imagine funding for a stadium. Bridges being a little higher priority.

Unless there is 100% private financing, it won’t happen for many, many years.

We need the Mon Valley Expressway much more than a stadium, and it is never going to happen.

Comment by gc 08.22.13 @ 6:57 am

gc, can’t see the state funding a stadium solely for Pitt .. let the 4-letter giant figure a way. I still say that they can take build a stadium attached to a state-of-the-art sports medicine complex .. all tax-free.

I agree with you on Johnson. If the coaches think he’s not going to be here all 4 years, there is no use in redshirting him.

Comment by wbb 08.22.13 @ 7:05 am

We need Bennett back! So it was good seeing him at least running around in drills yesterday. That’s the good news.

Now we see Chris Blewitt walking around with a soft boot on his kicking foot(right) no less. WTF? That’s the bad news. Chryst says he’s not concerned, “he’ll be fine”. Why don’t I believe him? Yeah, he’ll be fine about the middle of December after the stress fracture in his kicking foot heals completely. I may be “stressing” over nothing but, although nobody realizes it yet, this is a key player for us this season that has to contribute to his full potential to keep Pitt competitive this season in the ACC. Blewitt can dependablely put points on the board anywhere from within the 35 yard line, that is a weapon we can ill afford to lose.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.22.13 @ 7:06 am

Come on guys lets get a grip on reality. Johnson is already being drafted in the first round of the NFL come 2016 before he ever steps on a college football field?

He may see playing time this season but it won’t be because the coaching staff wants to utilize him before he turns pro after his Junior year. It will all be about injuries, so I sincerely hope that Dorian sits comfortably on the bench this season since that means our O line has remained healthy. We should be so lucky, for a change.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.22.13 @ 7:13 am

Dr Tom, agree with you on Blewitt …. until I know for sure that ‘he’ll be fine’ for the opener, and not for Homecoming, I will be concerned

Comment by wbb 08.22.13 @ 7:17 am

Regarding Boyd and his contribution to the running game…

This year, see him getting the ball as part of special packages… kind of end or flanker around.

In the future as he gets bigger and stronger, believe it is possible he might be transitioned to running out of the I.

Said it before… Boyd looks like a wideout but runs like a runningback. Nearly 6,000 yards in HS tell you he’s also durable.

Of course, if Pitt were to land the “next Tony Dorsett” it could become moot.

Comment by PittofDreams 08.22.13 @ 7:22 am

Regarding the much ballyhooed Dorian Johnson…

Why not play him? Because Clemmings is better… at this point a lot better.

Comment by PittofDreams 08.22.13 @ 7:25 am

The four letter gargantuan, already has major PR problems, don’t think even they could get away with it. Tax free status would certainly be questioned.

Comment by gc 08.22.13 @ 7:27 am

Apologies to Carey, Clemmings is back next year, therefore to get the best 5 on the field Johnson will have to play guard.

I wasn’t suggesting Johnson start, just that he plays this year, because he has to start next year and there is no substitute for game experience.

Comment by gc 08.22.13 @ 7:41 am

I’m not suggesting that Johnson start this year, play the current best 5 by all means .. just suggesting that he play if the coaches think that he will not stay all 4 years (no use in burning a redshirt)

Comment by wbb 08.22.13 @ 8:25 am

@POD Are you now suggesting that if you are a fan of Pitt basketball then you can’t possibly have a valid opinion about the football program?

You are right, those like me who find the thought of plopping a football stadium in a cramped Oakland as impracticable or unfeasible must be just simple minded basketball fans and blind Jamie Dixon devotees.

How silly of me to buy 5 season football tickets every year, drop four figure donations to the athletic department, go to away football games every year, and spend the better part of my 40+ years on this earth enduring one gut wrenching defeat after another, and voluntarily kicking myself in the groin pretending to be a fan of Pitt football.

And I didn’t even GO to Pitt! Thanks for clearing that up for me. I now see the error of my ways. From now on Jamie Dixon sucks, basketball is a second class sport, and I will gladly fork over my $500 to support a study on how to make this Stadium happen.

Comment by ECH 08.22.13 @ 9:53 am

If Bennett has knee problems already and we haven’t even broken camp yet, that tells me his knee probably won’t hold up and take the pounding a season dishes out. Connor and Ibrahim and Crockett better be ready to fly when their number is called. HCPC has a proclivity for using multiple backs and having them succeed. Can’t wait for September 2 to get here and see this team play! H2P!! Got our season tickets ready to go!!

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 08.22.13 @ 10:09 am

ECH, you are not even a Pitt alumni, but remain a diehard Pitt football fan???? You Sir, are the consummate masochist! You have my condolences.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.22.13 @ 1:29 pm

I consider myself both a FB and BB fan, and have had season tickets in both sports before I had to leave town. And frankly, I never took the on-campus stadium seriously at the location it was proposed … not onlly requiring the removal of at least two existing school buildings, but cramping it in almost adjacent to the cathedral, which would magnify an already horrific parking situation.

IMO, the most feasible location closest to the campus would be the golf course area.

Comment by wbb 08.22.13 @ 2:26 pm

Parking for football games is 6 or 7 times a year.

That is going to impact Oakland that much ?

Also the games are on Saturday, when there are no classes.

Don’t understand that issue at all. You can park in one of many areas in and around Oakland and take a bus or taxi (taxi cost for 4 or more ppl is minimal) into Oakland. Plenty of parking in South Side and you’ll already have a spot over there for post-game activities.
Heck you can even park in downtown and take public transportation back into Oakland. Just put on your thinking cap.

Comment by EMel 08.22.13 @ 4:34 pm

365 days – 7 days = 358 days WITHOUT football games, each year.

Parking is not a valid argument for arguing against a campus stadium.

Comment by EMel 08.22.13 @ 4:37 pm

EMel, Where did you get your urban planning degree?

So you think people would park in town and take the bus? Students leave after Sweet Caroline so they can get the bus back to Oakland.

I used to park in Schenley Park and walk to Pitt Stadium, when I was in my twenties. Now people tailgate, where will they do that? Half the people at the games are over 50 and/or overweight, how far will they walk?

We now have a city planning department, traffic planning, required # of parking spots etc. It is not as simple as you think. Taxi’s in Pittsburgh, LOL.

Comment by gc 08.22.13 @ 5:47 pm

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