Kind of teased this out during the week as I have been focused on tempo and pace. This past year, Pitt played at its slowest adjusted tempo since Jamie Dixon became the head coach.
Time to look at the numbers, history, memes and possibly a way too simple answer.
So let’s take a look at Pitt’s adjusted Tempo in the last 11 years (since that is as far as KenPom.com goes).
Year —– Pitt’s AdjT ——— Rank ——- Highest AdjT ———– Lowest AdjT
2002-03 66.8 ———– 259/324 —— 78.7 – App. St. ———- 55.2 – Air Force
2003-04 61.6 ———— 313/326 —— 75.8 – Campbell ——— 53.7 – Air Force
2004-05 65.1 ———— 250/330 —— 76.0 – Ga. Southern —— 54.2 – Princeton
2005-06 65.5 ———— 230/334 —— 76.3 – Campbell ———- 54.3 – Princeton
2006-07 63.4 ———— 292/336 —— 90.9 – VMI* ————- 52.9 – Princeton
2007-08 65.4 ———— 222/341 —— 80.1 – Texas St. ———- 56.4 – Samford
2008-09 66.0 ———— 186/344 —— 80.6 – VMI ————- 57.4 – Denver
2009-10 62.6 ————– 321/347 —— 84.1 – VMI ————- 57.7 – Samford
2010-11 63.1 ————– 313/345 —— 77.6 – Alcorn St. ———- 57.9 – Denver
2011-12 63.1 ————- 297/345 ——- 76.0 – Seattle ———– 58.0 – Wisconsin
2012-13 60.7 ————- 337/347 ——- 72.8 – Neb-Omaha ——- 57.9 – Western Illinois
* VMI was a real aberration. The #2 AdjT team in 2005-06 was Northwestern St. at 75.6. So, yeah.
To give a small amount of context I provided where Pitt’s tempo ranked in D-1 basketball each year along with the highest and lowest tempo (and the team) each year so you have an idea of the range that is covered in adjusted tempo.
Some things from the numbers. College basketball in general has slowed down over the last few years, which has also cut scoring. As noted a couple weeks ago, college basketball is at least attempting to get officials to give offense more of a chance.
A great example is the Adjusted Tempo of Pitt back in Ben Howland’s final year — 2002-03 — of 66.8. That year, that was in the lower-tier of tempo at 259th out of 324 teams. About the 80th percentile. This past year, an adjT of 66.8 would be 126th out of 347 teams.
It is somewhat interesting that the variance in adjusted tempo is shrinking. The floor has risen a bit, while the top tempo has shrunk. So now the variance for the last three years has been less than 20 between the top and bottom of the list. Yet, overall tempo has been getting slower as more teams have found value in efficiency on offense and defense over trying to run teams out of a gym on speed.
Just look at the general KenPom.com ratings. Of the top-30 teams listed, 8 had an adjusted tempo of ranked 99 or less. There were only 4 teams ranked 100-199 Meanwhile 14 teams were in the 200-299 rankings, with 4 more teams at 300 or more. (The numbers skew even harder to slower tempo if you limit it to just the top-20 teams on the list.) The top-30 KenPom teams also includes all the Sweet 16 teams except FGCU and LaSalle (and the top-20 has 13 of them).
Back to Pitt. You will notice that the tempo drops from one year to the next four times. 2003-04, 2006-07, 2009-10 and 2012-13.
Now consider this:
Year ———– Key Players
2002-03 (Final Howland season.): Knight, Page, Zavackas, J. Brown, Lett
2003-04 (First Dixon sesason.): Krauser, Page, J. Brown, Troutman, Taft
2004-05: Krauser, Troutman, Taft
2005-06: Krauser, Gray, Kendall, Ramon,
2006-07: Fields, Gray, Kendall, Ramon,
2007-08: Fields, Blair, Young, Ramon
2008-09: Fields, Blair, Young, Dixon
2009-10: Wanamaker, G. Brown, Gibbs, Robinson, McGhee
2010-11: Wanamaker, Gibbs, N. Robinson, Brown, McGhee
2011-12: Gibbs, N. Robinson, Woodall, Patterson, Birch*
2012-13: Woodall, Patterson, J. Robinson, Adams
In every year that the tempo dipped, Pitt had a new point guard. As much as it was Howland to Dixon in 2003, it was also Knight to Krauser. In 2006 it went from Krauser to Fields. 2009 saw it go from Fields to Wanamaker (and committee). In 2011, well it was a mess after Woodall got hurt. In a way it is shocking that adjusted tempo remained the same from the previous year.
As for this past year, James Robinson assumed the reins of starting point guard as a true freshman — which was also a first under Dixon. Mix in another raw freshman at center with the highly cautious Patterson, and that’s a brew that produces a slower tempo.
You have a new point guard, and no matter how much a team practices there’s still a learning curve in the games. There’s still a whole issue of learning to mesh. And yes, a coach that may worry so much about a new point guard running things that he might be trying to run things from the sidelines a too much.
Was Jamie Dixon too tight in the controls this past year? I think that is a fair debate. Not insofar as he needs to change his whole approach/philosophy and let the team just run. Those who advocate for that seem to be more about just not liking the style Dixon runs generally. Dreaming of a whole different system (or coach).
The history shows that after a year with a new point guard, tempo picks up nicely. The make-up of the team for next year is also likely facilitate a faster tempo. The rule changes — assuming they are enforced — will also encourage a faster tempo with more attacking the basket.
Pitt is never going to be a squad that runs at a frenetic pace, but they can and will be noticeably swifter next season. Not because Jamie Dixon has changed, but because his squad has a more experience at the point guard and the team itself will have more speed.
However, those two schools you mentioned, PSU and Florida, have such strong and successful football traditions they can ride out disciplinary and negative issues. They are schools where a large number of national recruits grow up wanting to play football for. Hell, a large number of recruit’s parents slobber over the fact that their kids might play at those schools.
That isn’t PITT’s profile. PITT has to scramble for each highly rated recruit it gets and that has been the case for many years. If the stars aren’t aligned with every situation involved with recruiting certain players then we are far behind the eight ball.
Look at the biggest ‘gets’ we have in the last few years. Holtz chose PSU first as did Dorian Johnson then came to PITT after the sanctions were levied; Shell’s fiance and kids were in PGH and Boyd’s two other teammates came as a package deal (I believe had they gone their separate ways Boyd would have also). Those are the four best recruits we have gotten over the past two years and there were compelling outside of football reasons to choose PITT.
I think we just have to accept that we are at a point where this program needs to find stability and it will take some time to get our feet firmly under us. That said, if Chryst is recruiting like this for the 2015 season and his 2013 & 14 recruits haven’t done well then we have a big reason to believe he can’t cut it in the recruiting game. But IMO we have to give him a couple of years to really gauge if he’s good at this or not.
I agree that PITT’s urban campus isn’t everyone’s idea of a bucolic setting for their son’s college time. There is no doubt in my mind that it is especially a turn off for players who live in a different type of setting and never take the opportunity to visit and really see what the university is made of.
I think a lot of blue chip recruits look at Oakland then go to State College, Ann Arbor, OSU’s Columbus campus, Blacksburg, Charlotte VA, South Bend, even Morgantown’s setting then compare it to the hustle and bustle of Oakland, Southside the surrounding city and that factors into their decisions to go elsewhere.
But, pure football aside for a second, I also think it is telling that this class of recruits with their strong academic backgrounds and offers from strong academic schools are confident that PITT will supply the education that is obviously very important to them.
We know that PITT is the best football opportunity they have and I’m sure that’s a big part of their decision making also but I do wonder if these kids were offered by WVU instead of PITT would they want to attend college there?
Anyway, I’m not an apologist for Chryst’s recruiting at this point – I’m just saying that I see what he’s doing and what he has to work with. I’ll start to really judge how he’s done when I see some of his 2013 recruits out on the field this season. Until then I think all this arguing about how good a recruiter he is or isn’t is strictly hypothetical.
I don’t disagree with anything you wrote above, Reed. What I have issue with is that a recruit for Pitt is allegedly being measured as a student and person before a football player …. unless of course he is a local 4-star as Pitt has offered every 4-star in Western PA.
Of course, maybe every local 4-star is a great student/person … although I suspect there are concessions made for these guys, and if so, where’s the integrity?
If the philosophy of the football program is to “actually” look at recruits as “student athletes” and the priority is to turn the culture of the program around to reflect that philosophy into the future and the administration truly has the best interest of the student squarely in their sites to begin with, then why wouldn’t the recruits first be evaluated for their human being qualities?
There are plenty of successful college football programs that have their detractors condemn them for how they treat their athletes as nothing other than athletes to be utilized solely to accomplish winning on the field. Their development off the field, to mature them into educated adults ready to contribute to society after their playing days are over in college is an after thought if it is considered at all.
I like the attitude that Chryst and Co. has instituted at Pitt. I feel that we can win with that type of stunent athlete in the ACC. We might never become a dominant power with such a philosophy, filling our roster with kids like that but I’m OK with that. I’d rather see Pitt producing people that I can be proud of rather than winning seasons alone. In my mind that isthe essence of true Panther Pride.
Do you honestly think if Pitt wins 4, 5 or 6 games per year in the next few years that anyone here will care that we are among the highest GPAs in the ACC? Cut me a break!
I do think there is merit in in recruiting guys to fit your system but can’t a few more 3 and 4 stars fit this criteria?
It is admirable to fully support the current head coach, but it is not a crime to point out what you think are cracks in the armour. Remember, just 2 short years ago, everyone on this very own site was completely enthralled with the fast-talker from Texas.
No doubt PC has much more integrity but he obviously has his shortcomings.
“I think all this arguing about how good a recruiter he is or isn’t is strictly hypothetical.
Reed this is an understatement because what you said is a fact. They don’t have the data to confirm their hypothesis just as we don’t. But I’ll add the caveat has some concerns is not being negative just as being positive is not being unrealistic…
“Do you honestly think if Pitt wins 4, 5 or 6 games per year in the next few years that anyone here will care that we are among the highest GPAs in the ACC? Cut me a break!
I do think there is merit in in recruiting guys to fit your system but can’t a few more 3 and 4 stars fit this criteria?”
Sounds like rationalization to me…
I think it has been clearly communicated by this administration and coaching staff that instilling a different culture, which includes the student athletes taking personal responsibility for their actions and conduct both on the field and in the classroom, is a top priority right now. How much that influenced our 4-5 star RB to transfer to who knows where is a question that probably will never be answered. The fact is however is that this football program CONTINUES to be one that is in transition. That fact alone is probably the #1 issue that potential recruits consider when looking at Pitt as their school of choice for the next few years. Right now the guys who are committing, I think, are getting an accurate picture of what Chryst & Co. are putting in place, take it or leave it. If they are here, they are heare because they WANT to be here at Pitt. Now if the right kind of student athlete that we are striving for, who also happens to have 4 or 5 stars placed next to their name at the end of their junior year of HS football by one of the recruiting services can be acquired by Pitt remains to be seen. But that my friend, is where Pitt is right now.
Honestly, right now with that philosophy dominating the decision making, I think that Pitt passes on the highly ranked recruit at this point in time, even if he has 5 stars next to his name IF indicators such as poorly advised Twitter posts, reflect negatively on that individual’s morals amd/or character, and he also fails the sniff test after personal evaluations by the staff.
This staff sent a clear message to the wider world with the Shell drama. “get with the program or just get” Bye, Bye Mr. Shell was the result.
Does this experiment end up being a success or is it just an altruistic venture into futility we will realize soon enough. I give it three more years. Soooo until then the Pitt football soap opera continues, enjoy the drama.
Also, Pitt.Dan83, this one is directed your way, read this and watch the highlight video of James Conner and then seriously tell me that this kid does not look like a football player????? It’s a look at one of our future successful RBs.
At least for right now, Pitt will be fine at the RB position. We do need to recruit at this position going forward however. The loss of Shell was big and will greatly negatively impact the program if we don’t restock the cupboard, if not in this recruiting class, then in 2015s at the latest.
I cannot wait for Fall camp to begin!!
Shell-obviously gone
Carswell-gone
Eric Williams-gone
Bam Bradley-listed
Nic Grisby-listed
Travon Chapman-listed
K-K Mosby-Smith-listed
Dan Mason-listed
Juantez Hollins-listed
He would certainly appear to be a welcome addition. Now, if the majority of these recruits can prove what a great talent evaluator HCPC is, then cynics like me will shut up (although I claim not to be a negative Nellie just because I am not a 100% bought-in.)
on the campus issue… urban campus is not a negative. rather it is distinctive. A lot of kids will like that (my boys for example decided they wanted to be in an east coast urban environment)… it’s just a lot of kids will want the classic campus gig as well so we have to realize as people state here that a lot of “high” local talent (or national) choose elsewhere for reasons other than the program.
Regarding the urban campus, it’s not for everyone. There are positives and negatives. It’s one more factor in choosing a school that fits your needs.
I always wonder why more kids don’t want to go south, just for the weather alone.
I am ok with scheduling WVU. It is one more filled stadium every other year. I hate the games when only 20,000 fans show up, especially season ticket holders that stay home. Also it is a cheap away game on a bus, very cost effective for the athletic department. The pluses outweigh the minuses. Watch away games on TV, unless you are a bad ass.
But if its WVU vs Gardner-Webb, I choose the Hoopies
As to folks comments on playing WVU…. I appreciate the sentiment, but I would argue we now have a huge recruiting advantage. WVU is locked out of PA and other places … almost… because all of their games are now 1000+ mile trips to dust bowl locations where you run your a$$ off for 3 hours and still get lit up for 45+ points…
… kids just are not going to want to sign up for that, AND live in Morgantown….
… so we should not, nor should anyone else (Ugh, Vtech…) throw them a lifeline and give them games where they play around here…. no, no, no…
they are done if we leave them in the box… no lifelines …
PITT can become a destination spot for kids who achieve in both academics and sports. In the Northeast, Middle Atlantic states, Ohio, Michigan, Wisc. and hopefully even the Southeast.
For Notre Dame won’t appeal to many kids(plus their academic requirements are quite high), Stanford is on the left coast(same thing with academics) and most kids in the Northeast, Middle Atlantic & Southeast won’t want to play in a mid-western based conf, namely the Big Joke or hopefully one that is pedophile based.
And as far as bowl games, I don’t think many really care whether we get into these no-name, no-history, no-significance bowl games.
We’ve been in 5 straight bowl games, did anyone get even slightly excited about any of them.
I’d rather have a good to very good team maybe 2-3 times per 10 years be in a Major Bowl, in a game of consequence, in a bowl with some history, than all these ESPN made for TV bowls that have made the whole bowl system somewhat of a joke.
I would think only playing 2-3 times in a decade in a Major Bowl, would also increase bowl attendance on Pitt’s part and perhaps change our image of……not traveling well.
So the heck with the problem man childs of the 21rst century. They aren’t worth dirtying the image of a University on the rise.
Veritas et Virtus !
HTP !
Article also says formula includes offensive linemen and tight ends, hmm.
What Stanford also understood was that to recruit 4-Star talent who meet the academic standards of Stanford, you’ve got to broaden your recruiting footprint. Don’t forget that Stanford blew for years until Harbaugh arrived, and Harbaugh arrived right when the recruiting budget got jacked up.
Yeah, right now I think this school and coach would pass on a 4 star player if they thought he had a propensity to make poor decisions.
So the operative word is IF. Most of us with kids this age have probably had (I hope) a repetitive conversation about social media and all of the things you do not do on it. It is surprising that so high profile a player does not have someone helping him out.
Hey it could all be twitter BS… and Super Meyers and many ‘big time’ college coaches perhaps just don’t care anyways….
So hell yes we will offer McKenzie and other recruits who are supremely talented. I think that a lot of negative stuff said about recruits personalities is overblown fluff from fans anyway. But we have also read that this staff has chosen not to offer some local highly rated recruits and I suspect that the current line of thought might have something to do with that.
I love PITT’s campus and would like to have gone there these days rather than in the mid-70s. It is beautiful and centrally located in a great city. But you are correct in that there is no denying that many recruits and their parents are scared of city life… even though their sons will be the most isolated students at the university. Also, some recruits from the city and the closer suburbs may want a change of scenery for their college life.
When I lived on Governors Island, right off the southern tip of Manhattan and across from the Statue of Liberty Island I knew people who lived there for four years and never once took the ferry over to Manhattan and enjoyed what it had to offer. They were country and suburban people who were just afraid of what a city is. Some people are just like that.
Emel – I agree about the poor quality bowls. The fans who are saying ‘PITT has been to five straight bowls so things can’t be that bad’ are ignoring the fact that over half D1 teams go to bowls and that there was something rotten in Denmark keeping us from having solid winning seasons over the past few years. You don’t have to be a 3-10 team to have real problems in the program.
Pittscript – if we have losing seasons for the next 3-4 years there will be a laundry list of complaints not just with recruiting. We have to remember we just went through a two year period where we had basically make shift recruiting classes that were done on a scramble just to fill the scholarship numbers.
When reading it, especially about the funding part, I thought about a conversation I had not long ago about SP’s extension which centered around the idea that his extension might be to keep an AD in place who was very pro-sports and who would be a stabilizing effect should the next Chancellor not be as interested in keeping the levels of funding at the current level.
Which most PITT fans haven’t thought about and could very well happen. Nordenberg is going to have some hand in vetting a successor and if he does that responsibly it will center along the lines of strong leadership with the academic, research funding, corporate and community side of the University’s missions. Sports will be a consideration but at PITT it is not so much as at other schools. Fans believe that just because Nordenberg is leaving that would mean big changes in the athletic department and we’ve seen that hasn’t been the case so far.
Should that happen it is a good idea to not let that new Chancellor hand pick an AD who wouldn’t lobby for at least maintaining the status quo (in money, time and effort). I’m not arguing either pro or con about SP’s qualities as an AD here, I’m saying that at this juncture it might not be a bad idea for stability in that position for at least a few years in that department.
Personally, I believe this push for a different type of recruit is in part due to just what I stated above – to show whoever is incoming at the top spot that concrete changes have been made inside the program – starting with Chryst’s hire and the stronger vetting and standards for recruitment. Nordenberg didn’t just all of a sudden make a decision to retire last month – it’s been know for a couple of years that he’d leave sooner rather than later. This new direction can help cement football’s place in the pecking order.
There is hope!! 😉
As far as Arizaona .. I realy don’t care. Except for the Grand Canyon (far from the border), I have no plans for Arizona … until, of course, Pitt plays Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl for the national title.
Thx for posting that link to the Forbes article about Stanford.
O-lineman & TE’s & FB’s. Power football….
hmmmmmm What kind of players is PC loading up on.
Stanford went to power football while others went to the spread. Certainly when you play the spread you are less physical than a power I proset offense.
This line in the article also was of interest:
The team wasn’t bad; they just lost a lot of close games. Our idea was, if we got into a close game, we were going to do what we needed to do win. That attitude adjustment helped start the process.”
What.. we lost 5 or 6 games by a total of less than 16 points, 2 years ago. And then last year we lost several close games, Cuse, ND & Uconn off the top of my head.
Good article, shows that a school that was a doormat for most of the 21rst century, can rise up and do it the right way.
All PITT needs to do is make a financial commitment as it did in basketball ! We haven’t been as low as Stanford was since the mid 90’s.
No reason it can’t be done at PITT !
I don’t know whether they were right-wing comments or not. I don’t subscribe to either the supposed right wing or the supposed left wing . Those were my comments and I don’t visit the Fox New website or the MSNBC or CNN websites.
One thing I learned in school and at home was to formulate my own thoughts(this is what Universities once taught) and I certainly don’t need some tv prompter reading anchor creature for whatever corporately controlled network telling me what I should think. And ppl shouldn’t be so susceptible to categorizing one into the left or right dichotomy. As it marginalizes further discussion.
And I wish you would have spoke up when a certain religion bashing was going on since your so sensitive on my use of the word “lesbo”. Which in of itself is not homophobic.
But I strongly disagree with Napolitano’s further advancement of a Nazi-like state in America. Among many other things to lengthy to list here.
“On December 6, 2010, it was announced that Napolitano was again expanding her reach by creating a “partnership” with Walmart.[53] This is a video message from Napolitano on TV screens in Wal-Mart stores playing a “public service announcement” to ask customers to report suspicious activity to a Wal-Mart manager.”
Hard to believe she was partially raised in Pittsburgh !
However, when you add your own derogatory comments with your own, you lose credibility.
A simple “let’s leave politics off this site” would have sufficed.
One big difference in that 2008 Stanford recruiting list that hits with blunt force.
2 NFL 1rst round draft picks and one being the #1 pick overall.
Oliver Luck & David DeCastro
Hope we have as good as luck with ours !
3.)disparaging or belittling.
Let’s not get into semantics. We all know what he meant. Pretty obvious, doubt he would even disagree.
Right wing (conservatives) are the homophobics and their tv station (Fox News) is where those type of comments belong.
Very derogatory, too I would imagine at least half the population, if not more. Therefore, probably at least half the posters on here.
I myself am conservative on some issues, but I’m liberal when it comes to helping the elderly, war vets and animals.
So just playing the devils advocate……
MSNBC, CNN and the 3 networks would be the stations that most prisoners and criminals would watch, and the lazy people who just want welfare.
That would be a derogatory statement to I would imagine half the posters on here.
Derogatory is not just swearing.
That’s why political comments are a funny thing.
Actually, I don’t mind the occaisional political reference, doesn’t bother me a bit, from either side.
Now, if it gets into 3 or 4 people taking over a blog and talking politics, that’s a different story.
I’m not easily offended, I was just pointing out, that in Carmen condemning political talk, he was taking shots while doing it.
Or Lindsay Graham.
If they can dish it out, which you cannot deny, they can certainly take it.
I can see complaining about a derogatory comment pointed towards an indvidual, but don’t see it when it’s pointed to a large organization. Heck, you seem to be alright with any reference towards Ped State and the Hoopies … not to mention the continuous bashing of the QB of the past couple of years, including SEVERAL cheap shots.
As for WVU, PED St., I believe we’re all on the same page, as Pitt fans. Maybe some more vocal and harsh than others, but on the same side.
As for taking shots at the qb, yes, certainly, it is afterall, a sports blog. Allthough, I never said anything about him personally, other than his playing skills, or actually, his lack of playing skills.
I think we all have are favorites as far as players and coaches, and ones who drive us nuts. I think most of us express our views on anything to do with Pitt, good or bad.
I was talking strictly about politics, I don’t know how that got confused with WVU, PSU or Sunseri.
I work with a couple LCR, and let me tell you, they would have laughed their asses off at the Mr. Napolitano reference. Great senses of humor.
It is just a matter of perception. You apparently don’t think the Home Security Secretary has anything to with politics while Fox News is … which I find puzzling.
BTW Emel … if you’re reading this … what does ‘lib Hollywood’ have to do with the incident you commented on in the next blog? (another comment that your buddy Dan will likely ‘LHAO’ to)
Not offended at all, not one bit. Where did I say that exactly???
Of course Napolitano was political. Why would you think I apparently would think otherwise?? Now I’m confused.
I was simply stating, that if you don’t like political comments, the two best ways to handle it are,
1. don’t even comment about it, and it will go away on it’s own.
2. Simply state, “please, no politics”. When you add to that your own comments, that may ruffle some others feathers, then they comment, and so on and so on.
Kind of like dealing with a troll or the 100% of the time negative guy. If you engage him, it will go on and on.
Back to my original comment.
A simple “let’s leave politics off this site” would have sufficed.
That makes no sense
The next guy could have said, “leave that for the left wingers and MNSBC”.
I would have stated the same thing to him,
A simple “lets leave politcs off this site” would have sufficed.
Hey, we’re gettin’ you more hits Chas!!!!
Where exactly was I amused??? I didn’t even reference Emel’s comment until this morning’s comments.
My reference was to 2 LCR fellas in my office who would have howled at his comment.
Do you know what Log Cabin Republicans ever are??
They’re conservative homosexuals. Yes, there is actually an organization called Log Cabin Republicans.
Sounds to me like you don’t have a problem with political comments, but the direction they’re coming from!!! LOL
Please, again, if you’re going to put words in peoples mouth, please state the post and time.
Thank you.
It wasn’t the news organization, it was adding a political comment when asking for no political comments. I even gave examples, “if it was MSNBC”
i’d do the same.
Good day. I’m done.
Not upset at all, never was. Really, was just letting Carmen know, best way to deal with that, or like I’ve tried to convery to others, when dealing with trolls, or the couple Mr. Negatives (the couple all negative, all the timers) we have on here, is to not even comment.
And Carmen can certainly say whatever he wants, far be it for me to tell anyone anything about comments.
I myself, enjoyed the banter!! H2P!!!
I was using that example, just to show how some could take that thought and keep it going.
I was really just gently elbowing Carmen in the ribs and saying “pssst, hey if you don’t want to see that stuff, don’t even comment or engage, it will go away on it’s own.”
And really, that’s true about any subject or person. (except the one Super Negative Man, he just won’t quit, I see he’s at it again today).
That’s all.
So, no offense to you Carmen.
He’s posted a couple low key, informative comments.
Neither negative. Wow.
