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July 2, 2013

Battlefield: New York City

Filed under: ACC,Conference — Chas @ 9:35 am

The basketball Big East still has its claim staked with the Big East Tournament. The Big Ten is trying to work its way in there with (*cough*, *snortle*) Rutgers joining and being a part of the Pinstripe Bowl. The American… Okay they quit and are going to Memphis for their tournament.

Then there is the ACC. Having their “Welcome to the ACC” event for Pitt, Syracuse and Notre Dame in NYC was yet another signal that the ACC is making a push for their place in NYC.

To ACC-centric beat writers this was a particularly overt and direct move.

This was the ACC like we’ve never seen. Lobster-on-crostini hors d’oeuvres and piped-in-jazz overlooking Times Square rather than barbecue, hush puppies and Kenny Chesney out yonder. An aggressive, confident marketing campaign instead of the staid, traditional odes to the past.

All to mark Monday’s official arrival of Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame to the conference. All to transparently proclaim the ACC is in the big city to stay.

Oh, there were down-home touches such as sending the 15 schools’ mascots to the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty. But Monday’s rollout was more Gordon Gekko than Bones McKinney, more single-malt than sweet tea, complete with the Twitter hashtag “#ACCtakesNYC.”

The only thing missing was ACC graffiti at Penn Station.

In short, this is business, kids, and the league wisely intends to do “bidness” in New York.

“This is a very prominent city from a media standpoint, from a sports standpoint, that has not been in our footprint,” Commissioner John Swofford said during an afternoon news conference at the NASDAQ stock exchange. “It is now, as of today, and we want to treat it with the appropriate level of importance we think it brings.”

If you think Swofford was being subtle about saying that the ACC is looking at NYC as in their market area, well

“We wanted to showcase the Atlantic Coast Conference in New York City and to show that this is a very important part of our new footprint,” ACC commissioner John Swofford said.

The Big East and Big Ten could reasonably view that statement as meaning: shots fired.

Now one of the best ways to really make a claim to NYC is to get the ACC Basketball Tournament up there. Something more and more of the basketball coaches in the ACC (not just the ones coming from the Big East) are backing.

Regardless, ACC coaches prefer MSG, and sources said they voiced that opinion forcefully during the league’s annual May meetings.

“If we go to Madison Square Garden, it will be the greatest exposure we’ve ever gotten as a league in the New York metropolitan area, where the recruiting ground is very fertile,” Miami coach and New York native Jim Larranaga told me last season. “Playing in the Mecca of college basketball, Madison Square Garden, is a thrill for every college player.”

As a player at Providence, Larranaga competed in the 1968 Holiday Festival at the Garden against No. 1 UCLA and Holy Cross.

“It’s not just coaches from the Northeast,” North Carolina State coach Mark Gottfried told the ACC Digital Network. “When you look at a strategy of staking a claim that you are the best basketball league, you can’t replace the Garden and the media market of New York City. …

“I would like to see it happen. I like being in North Carolina. I like playing it one hour away. Selfishly, for me, it’s better to be in Greensboro. But I think all of us in the league, we have to look out for what’s best for the league. … I want to recruit the best players in the country, not just along the eastern seaboard. New York can change that. Being on that platform, on that stage, could potentially be something very strong for the ACC.”

Greensboro has the ACC Tournament for two more years. The Big East still has a new contract with MSG that — so far — everyone says will be honored. Of course, this is business so much can change.

Cynically I can see the A-10 being screwed one way or another. If Madison Square Garden exercises some contract option to get out of the Big East deal in a couple years, Barclays would probably work very hard to snag the Big East — either by completely trying to void the deal with the A-10 or by forcing the A-10 to have their tournament a week earlier.

Or if the ACC goes to Barclays, then a similar thing would still happen to the A-10.

The hang-up for an ACC-MSG (or Barclays) deal will likely be the commitment. The ACC still seems hesitant to make a full commitment to one location for several years. Both NYC-area venues are going to demand at least a three-year run (if not five).

But of course there has to be some hand-wringing. This is change after all and someone has to stand athwart progress and scream, “halt!”

And since the ACC is southern based, let’s do it with NASCAR parallels.

The ACC spent Monday gallivanting about New York in an eerie echo of a similar expedition made by NASCAR in June 2003, when Nextel replaced Winston as title sponsor. Ditching tobacco for telecommunications in Times Square neatly summed up the changes the stock-car circuit underwent as it morphed from regional pastime to national product.

A decade later, NASCAR continues to benefit from that growth as well as deal with its consequences, from declining television ratings to empty grandstands. It’s a cautionary tale for the ACC, a league now so sprawling that it ditched the ACC seal logo that once marked the location of all members on a simple map of the East Coast. Simple cartography can no longer contain it.

“The ACC and NASCAR kind of parallel each other in a lot of ways,” said Humpy Wheeler, the former president of Charlotte Motor Speedway and a longtime observer of both organizations. “The ACC was regional and has become national, and certainly that’s what NASCAR did. The whole reason for going to New York, of course, was to take advantage of that national media. It actually worked. It got NASCAR more publicity on that announcement than any announcement for a sponsorship that I’m aware of.”

With the official addition Monday of Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame, the ACC is mimicking NASCAR’s attempts to capitalize on its increasing popularity outside the South by leaving places like North Wilkesboro and Rockingham while taking away the Labor Day weekend Southern 500 from Darlington.

This argument ended in 2004 when VT and Miami joined and the knowledge that BC was joining a year later. Actually this argument probably ended in 2003 when everyone thought that it would be Syracuse, Boston College and Miami in the ACC.

Hell, this column plays around with the tropes from 2003-2005 from opponents of ACC expansion in how it destroys its roots:

The Carolina schools, with help from Virginia and Georgia Tech and Maryland, made the league great with their proximity and shared basketball culture. By adding these Big East schools, with their own strong, shared basketball culture, the conference risks diluting, if not losing, the Tobacco Road heritage that made the ACC what it was in the first place. The ACC did a poor job of maintaining that identity through the first round of expansion, particularly because it was driven entirely by football. This latest round restores basketball to its proper place of primacy, but risks altering the league’s DNA the same way NASCAR did when it moved races around the country.

I’m guessing every other school not on Tobacco Road is cheering wildly at the idea that the ACC would no longer be tied to that North Carolina-centric heritage. I’m failing to see the downside.





well, a coach from a carolina school advocating a switch to NYC from Greensboro for the ACC tourney!

Next thing you know, the Pirates will have the best record in MLB halfway thru the season

Comment by wbb 07.02.13 @ 10:19 am

It should be in NYC but them good old boys will be pulling there hair out and shouting no no.
they will be calling us carpetbaggers or worse
i can hear them now i told you not to let them northern boys in.
they will be hell i want to walk to the games
then go to DENNYS like we all ways did.

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.02.13 @ 10:42 am

You know… the Clampetts headed to the big city when they struck it rich.

I think tobacco road is starting to see some oil in their tar and are looking more and more towards moving as well…

Comment by Benzene 07.02.13 @ 10:51 am

This comes under the category of a “no brainer”.
Take it to the Apple and don’t look back….

Comment by SFPitt 07.02.13 @ 11:13 am

The northern invasion has occurred. We are in now and the ACC is now as much northern as it is southern. My guess is that Pitt, Cuse, ND, Cuse, Miami, Vtech, Gtech, UVA, and FSU could care less about spending another first week of March in N.C.

Its about exposure and business. NYC is here to stay. Step aside old BE the new ACC has arrived

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 07.02.13 @ 11:22 am

Pitt Fan in Atlanta is correct. The whole reason for being in New York was exposure (media capital of the world) and as you stated business. I believe it is in the best interest of both the ACC/NYC (business/exposure wise) to have the tournament there…

Comment by Kenny 07.02.13 @ 1:11 pm

Madison Square Garden is the place to be. If not that, DC has all the amenities. Anywhere but Hooterville.

Comment by gc 07.02.13 @ 1:34 pm

With Maryland leaving, DC does not give anyone home field advantage.

Comment by gc 07.02.13 @ 1:37 pm

Here’s a downside: (just to play devils advocate)

The Hotel rooms in NYC are exponentially more expensive than they are in Greensboro. As is the food/drinks/etc.

Plus us Panthers that live in NC can drive to Greensboro and anything that keeps me OUT of a Frickin Airport is a good thing !

Long live Greensboro !!! 🙂

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 2:04 pm

Better known as Hooterville or Hootersville if you’re an actress from Hungary.

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 2:07 pm

Chas, you’re failing to see the downside of this because it is INVISIBLE, there is no frickin downside!

Meanwhile the upside is as obvious as King Kong hanging off the top of the Empire State Building swatting at the circling biplanes.
KING KONG=ACC
biplanes=other conferences with the same interests

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.02.13 @ 2:29 pm

The ACC is not the best BB league if it does not play the tourney in NYC.

Comment by Frank MD 07.02.13 @ 2:35 pm

Oh come on guys, you’ll love Greensboro.

They have some great restaurants & bars.

Namely Chili’s, TGIF & a 24 hour Denny’s (which I think serves beer).

That is certainly better than the Four Seasons, Delmonico’s or Le Bernardin.

Plus I’m almost certain Greensboro has a Drive-In movie theatre which beats the pants off anything on Broadway !

No question yins will love G-Boro.

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 2:39 pm

Emel,

You forgot Comfort Inn and Motel 6 compared to the Plaza, Waldorf, etc.

Comment by gc 07.02.13 @ 2:45 pm

EMel, I’m in! I got a coupon for Chili’s!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.02.13 @ 2:45 pm

@ gc

I think G-Boro recently was upgraded with a …

Holiday Inn Express !

And there’s a rumored La Quinta Inn.

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 2:50 pm

Comment by wbb 07.02.13 @ 2:58 pm

SHONEY’S
Greensboro, NC
603 South Regional Rd
27409
I-40, Exit 210
336-274-5883

Comment by wbb 07.02.13 @ 3:01 pm

@ Doc Tom

Well I got one for TGIF, so we’re set for 2 nites worth of dining.

Now if Pitt can get past the 1rst round !

Oy vey !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 3:02 pm

@emel,

You just sold me, Holiday Inn Express is ok and them free waffles mmm!

Comment by gc 07.02.13 @ 3:07 pm

Why the fuss?? It’ not like the ACC can’t just “try” it for 3 – 5 years and bail out if it doesn’t suit everyone.

Comment by Mtoolmn 07.02.13 @ 3:13 pm

lol I was kidding.

It was meant to show that G-Boro couldn’t qualify for a full fledged Holiday Inn. (only the Express)

And La Quinta’s are dumps whether new or not.

Of course I guess the new ones have less bedbugs.
lol

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 3:23 pm

Had a pretty good Belgium Waffle at

the Courtyard Marriott the other week.

But they’re breakfast buffet is not free.

Chef made a mean mushroom/cheese/bacon omelet too.

And I suffered no bedbug bites ! (always a bonus when traveling)

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 3:28 pm

If you were worried about it, there is a Holiday Inn Express and a La Quinta Inn within walking distance of MSG. Surprised you guys never looked into that before for the BE Tournament.

Comment by Pitt Dad 07.02.13 @ 3:46 pm

Yeah, when the establishment uses a foreign language in naming their business it is mostly polarizing, either it is superb or it sucks. La Quinta is at the “it sucks” pole.

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.02.13 @ 3:46 pm

State baseball Tilt tonite. Like the old days of the NL’s Eastern Division circa 1992

Pirates (51-30) vs Phillies (39-44)

Bucs starting another rookie pitcher, Cumpton.

We should have been kept in the Eastern Div., instead of moving the Braves to the East.

Going for 10 in a row, Beat em Bucs !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 4:00 pm

Don’t ever see the Big Joke (10) attempting to move their basketball tourney out of Chicago and to NYC.
Since Chicago is smack dab in the middle of Big Joke territory.

So that means their presence (for the most part) in NYC will be limited to a 4rth tier bowl game(pinstripe) with one of their middling teams against one of ours. (most likely matchups will include Syracuse vs Rutgers to fill the place up, which will be a real yawner)

I think we can live with that ! (since i won’t be watching anyway) 🙂

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 5:26 pm

do they play in Chicago or Indy? I thought it was Indy

Comment by wbb 07.02.13 @ 6:38 pm

good news for you Burghers … I either will travel 2.5 hrs or watch on computer

link to cardiachill.com

Comment by wbb 07.02.13 @ 6:43 pm

Huge get for Jamie Dixon tonight. Four star (on Rivals, ESPN, and 247) Detrick Mostella. Previously committed to Oklahoma State. He’ll be able to play immediately for the Panthers.

H2P.

Comment by Mailman 07.02.13 @ 6:59 pm

Thanks Mailman

More
link to verbalcommits.com

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 7:09 pm

Awesome, fills a big need.

Comment by gc 07.02.13 @ 7:22 pm

More

link to youtube.com

WOW!

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 7:33 pm

WBB, that is very good news. Pitt needs to be more regional. This type of TV deal can help….

Mailman, that is awesome news….

Chas, thank you for the ACC Blogroll …All should go read the BC Interruption post welcoming Pitt to the ACC. It will make you wish that they were in our division.

Comment by HbgFrank 07.02.13 @ 7:37 pm

Cool two lightning quick guards heading into the ACC…

Comment by Kenny 07.02.13 @ 7:38 pm

Jamie said the other day that this is his best recruiting class ever

link to pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

Now I’ll take him seriously

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 7:45 pm

Forgot to mention BOTH have hops!!!

Comment by Kenny 07.02.13 @ 7:47 pm

detrick mostella to pitt how the hell we did that i dont know but i like it.
i dont see it on rivals yet. when i do i will be
on cloud 9 and know it is real.

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.02.13 @ 7:52 pm

Hops!? No comprendo.

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.02.13 @ 7:54 pm

Rivals = real?

Like IC = beer

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 7:55 pm

My guess: hops = vertical jump

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 7:56 pm

Frankie, does this work for you?

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 8:04 pm

@ Kenny, just got done watching Mostella’s dunk video on YouTube. YIKES! That guy has a Major League vertical jump, comprendo? DAT BOY GOT SOME HOPS!

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.02.13 @ 8:06 pm

steve1 i saw it on rivals is that great news or what
ACC look out here we come.

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.02.13 @ 8:09 pm

Indeed, Frank!

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 8:12 pm

Mostella story in the P-G. Must mean Pitt put out a press release.

Comment by Scott 78 07.02.13 @ 8:13 pm

Wow huge get for Dixon and the basketball program. This is the kind of talent that has been missing on this team for a few years now. Maybe the move to the ACC will start to pay dividends on the recruiting front.

Comment by Floyd 07.02.13 @ 8:24 pm

Where are the negative ninny’s???

Come on, you couple of guys know who you are.

Come on, you gotta be able to find something negative about this.

Come on now, lay it on us. Tell us how this kid really isn’t that good.

Tell us he’s a troublemaker. Poor grades.

Tell us no one else wanted him.

Come on fellas, we’re counting on you.

Wouldn’t be a Blather comment section without some negative vibes.

Just doesn’t feel right without you!!! LOL!!!

Comment by Dan 07.02.13 @ 8:39 pm

By the way, the other schools recruiting were…

Florida
Kansas
Marquette
Texas A&M
Xavier
Georgetown

Go ahead, tell us how those schools aren’t really good basketball schools!!!!!

LOL!!!

Comment by Dan 07.02.13 @ 8:46 pm

LOL, Dan. Let’s hear it from NYR fans. Not Messier? WTF!

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 8:47 pm

Detrick Mostella told GNGB why he picked Pittsburgh. “I went on a visit and I literally felt like I was at home!

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 8:59 pm

Hopefully we can start to lure some more athletes like this kid. We need an athletic big now.

Comment by Floyd 07.02.13 @ 9:02 pm

Chris Dokish ?@ChrisDokish 2h
Mostella had grade issues for a long time or he would have been recruited even more. Potential big time player.

Comment by steve1 07.02.13 @ 9:02 pm

Me comprende senior Dr. Tom and me likey!!

Comment by Kenny 07.02.13 @ 9:03 pm

Wow! Watch the dunk contest video of this kid linked in the Cardiac Hill post on this recruit. Click on the “PupulePaul” link in the middle of the post.

Comment by HbgFrank 07.02.13 @ 10:22 pm

What now ?

I go out for a few hours to watch the Pirates game and.,.,…….

Holy Shit ! lol

We land a true 4 star shooting guard who just about everyone wanted.

Wonder if they had him in hand when they told the Kane kid….to take a walk ?

No matter, this season just took on a whole different look.

Now Jamie, let’s take the reigns off this kid and let him ……..do his thing !!!

Hop city !

HTP !
VeV !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 10:34 pm

espn deleted the AAC blog there people u con etc
are going nuts.
talk abought disrespecting a conference boy it is good to be in the acc.
things are bad for them glad we got out when we did

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.02.13 @ 10:51 pm

@ steve1

Thx for posting that interview with JD, bud.

Never heard JD interviewed that long before.

And he’s right the ACC for the most part doesn’t score many more points than the BigEast in hoops.

This isn’t your father’s ACC anymore. scoring as a whole was the lowest EVER since 1957 in college hoops last year.

Yes these kids have hops…..but they can’t shoot.

at least not…very well !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 11:08 pm

Someone may have already mentioned it, but, he went to LaPorte, In. for prep school.

He’s from Decatur, Alabama.

I know Alabama isn’t in the ACC footprint, but with Newkirk from North Carolina, the roster starting to get a little Southern flavor already.

Comment by Dan 07.02.13 @ 11:11 pm

You got that right Frankie !

You were spot on about Wade Freebeck.

Good call sir ! 🙂

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 11:11 pm

lol I use to bang a chick named LaPorte.

Karma baby……karma.

This kid is gonna be good for us !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 11:15 pm

More stories on our late 2013 recruit:

link to collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com

check out the pic of JD.
I’m worried he’s gonna have a heart attack, he really needs to become like John Wooden. Sit on the bench, chill, when the occasion warrants it, get off the bench. It makes those occasions a lot more effective.

Player wise and referee wise !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 11:22 pm

EMel thanks bud

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.02.13 @ 11:25 pm

More confirmation from an Oklahoma newspaper:

link to tulsaworld.com

Funny how things work out, had we signed Kane and Lacey to scholarships, we wouldn’t have had one left for Mostella.

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 11:30 pm

Man the last 10 days or so has been excellent for us PITT PPL. !!!

11 new Football recruits
1 stud QB recruit
Formally in the ACC !
And a cherry on the top……

A 4 star shooting guard who is eligible for this frickin year…..!!!!!

Perhaps the worm has turned !

Comment by EMel 07.02.13 @ 11:38 pm

Love for Pitt and EMel for the positive attitude, FRANKCAN for his perspective, and steve1 for the quote of the night…Detrick Mostella told GNGB why he picked Pittsburgh. “I went on a visit and I literally felt like I was at home!”

Comment by Gordo 07.03.13 @ 3:39 am

and to wbb for the truck!

Comment by Gordo 07.03.13 @ 3:56 am

Mostella is the topping on a really darn good class. All players are very talented, and it has balance … PF, SF, SG, PG … along with Uchebo, JD appeared to kick some butt.

I can remember being concerned just a few short months ago …. just like the concern over the FB class, hopefully which will turn out even better.

Comment by wbb 07.03.13 @ 6:15 am

good coaches do good things great coaches get raises

Comment by paul shannon 07.03.13 @ 6:26 am

it may be preseason and the Canadian League, but who say ‘rhymes with Beano’ can engineer a 4th quarter game-winning drive …

link to triblive.com

Comment by wbb 07.03.13 @ 7:17 am

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