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June 12, 2013

Every year, we here how the player transfers are so bad for college basketball. How that’s the problem. The overall transfer rate in the 351 D-1 programs is around 10-12 percent. What about coaching turnover? Firings? Taking a different job? How does that compare?

In a fantastic compilation of coaching tenure in college basketball head coaches, would it surprise anyone to know that the coaching turnover in Division 1 basketball coaches these days is worse? This past offseason, there have been 43 coaching changes. That’s 12.25% of all the jobs. In 2012, 46 (13.1%). And 2011 was a whopper at 55 changes (15.67%).

In just the last four years, 193 coaching changes have taken place. There has been a huge spike in coaching turnover.

Jamie Dixon has been at Pitt for 10 years. That places him at #42 among active coaches in terms of tenure at one place.

If you only include major conferences and high-mid-major programs like Gonzaga, Dixon is 15th in terms of tenure. Here’s the top-20 in major conferences:

1. April 3, 1976 Jim Boeheim, Syracuse
2. March 18, 1980 Mike Krzyzewski, Duke
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13. July 1, 1995 Tom Izzo, Michigan State
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15. March 27, 1996 Billy Donovan, Florida
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18. April 12, 1998 Rick Barnes, Texas
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22. April 1, 1999 Kevin Stallings, Vanderbilt
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25. July 26, 1999 Mark Few, Gonzaga
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27. July 14, 2000 Mike Brey, Notre Dame
28. March 21, 2001 Rick Pitino, Louisville
29. March 27, 2001 Jay Wright, Villanova
30. March 29, 2001 Bo Ryan, Wisconsin
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35. March 19, 2002 Leonard Hamilton, Florida State
36. April 3, 2002 Lorenzo Romar, Washington
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41. April 14, 2003 Roy Williams, North Carolina
42. April 15, 2003 Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh
43. April 21, 2003 Bill Self, Kansas
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47. Aug. 22, 2003 Scott Drew, Baylor
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49. April 20, 2004 John Thompson III, Georgetown
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51. July 7, 2004 Thad Matta, Ohio State
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55. April 1, 2005 Matt Painter, Purdue

That much churn in the coaching carousel, has the impact of also driving up the salaries for coaches. So while you will hear and read about coaches complaining — in their own self-interest — about the increased pressure to win and expectations. You don’t hear them complaining about how it has also resulted in driving up their compensation for coping with that increased pressure.





I read somewhere that 40% of D1 basketball players will not graduate from the school or play 4 years with the school they initially signed LOI with.
That does include those that go to NBA as well as transfers.
That is a huge number.
I think BB coaches are much more stable than FB coaches. How many FB coaches were at their school for more than 10 years? (less than 10??) Dixon with 10 years is #42 on the list.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.12.13 @ 11:33 am

Here are College FB coaches that won NCAA title over last decade since 02:

02 Tressel OSU (gone)
03/04 Carroll USC (gone)
05 (Mack) Brown TX (soon to be gone)
06 Myer UF (gone)
07 Miles LSU
08

Comment by wbb 06.12.13 @ 12:03 pm

Here are College FB coaches that won NCAA title over last decade since 02:

02 Tressel OSU (gone)
03/04 Carroll USC (gone)
05 (Mack) Brown TX (soon to be gone)
06 Myer UF (gone)
07 Miles LSU
08 Myer UF (gone)
09 Saban AL
10 Chizik Aub (gone)
11, 12 Saban AL

And these are the winners! Also note that Alabama is Saban’s 3rd job in last 10 years

Comment by wbb 06.12.13 @ 12:07 pm

@@@@@@@@@@@
If a player has been misled by coaches
during his recruitment or a player joins
a program then realizes his talent is not
good enough to earn playing time ” Why
wouldn’t he consider transferring?” There
is nothing wrong with moving to another
school. Also occasionally the personality
of the coach and player clash. The kid
should be allowed to move on w/o any
negativity.

Comment by JR 06.12.13 @ 1:16 pm

Chas, you made me look it up.
The coaches with 10 or more years as HC with current team. Answer – 10.
VTech – Beamer 1987
Troy – Blackley 1991
Texas – Brown 1998
Oklahoma – Stoops 1999
Iowa – Ferentz 1999
TCU – Patterson 2000
Wake Forest – Grobe 2001
Georgia – Richt 2001
Missouri – Pinkel 2001
Oregon State – Riley 2003

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.12.13 @ 1:18 pm

@@@@@@@@@
Interesting side note to the list of
coaches by tenure. Most on those
guys have competitive teams each year.
Net if you have a top coach as Pitt has
KEEP HIM!

Comment by JR 06.12.13 @ 1:19 pm

Despite the fact that the top freshman talents usually aren’t really student athletes because they only plan to stick around until the NBA draft many players do stay put and excel within the current system. The merry-go-round affect is further enhanced by an AAU system that pumps up egos and aspirations that are hardly based on reality. Coaches are pressured to produce winners and supporters are often misled with absurd projections and overestimates of talent levels. I think it is amazing more kids don’t transfer. Every other contributor on this site as an example thinks the team would be more successful if they were running the team, so why should the players and parents be any different. The very nature of being young leads to crazy expectations and add to that mix the corruption, money, hype, and diverse personalities. It is a wonder anybody signs ,plays, graduates and prospers. The kids who come to Pitt and stick around do pretty well. That might be our programs best selling point.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.12.13 @ 1:25 pm

Speaking of transfers…Rumor on twitter that former Shady Side Academy player Reggie Mitchell is transfering from Wisconsin to Pitt.

Mitchell redshirted this year as a freshman. He was recruited by Rudolph to Wisconsin, also had offers from Toledo and Villanova.

Despite those offers, Mitchell was penciled in as one of the two starters at safety for the Badgers going into this fall (his RS Freshman year), so it’s curious as to why he would transfer. Must want to get closer to home.

I know it’s only one player, but it speaks well to Rudolph’s eye for under the radar kids that turn into good players. Those are the types of players that Wisconsin has been so successful with. A 2-star kid with 3 offers was penciled in as a starter by a staff that did not recruit him.

Here’s an article
link to madtownbadgers.com

Comment by srb 06.12.13 @ 1:29 pm

the change in coaching staff at Wisconsin probably had something to do with it also. 20 more transfers and we will have a pretty good class

Comment by wbb 06.12.13 @ 1:45 pm

I’m sure the Wisc change in staff did have a part, but it’s still surprising to me since he was penciled in as a starter by the new staff, which also shows that they probably got along fine.

Comment by srb 06.12.13 @ 1:52 pm

OK it is a slow day so i will move things along
and piss half of you off.
but it is like this were the fuck is the football
recruiting i am really worried i dont care how much time is left we are nummber 77 penn state is 15
we have one they 11 we are behind every one in the ACC.
even you koolaid drinkers have to be a little bit worryed .
at this rate psu will have a full class before we get are second committ.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 6:26 pm

lmao. luv u frankcan.
You tell those koolaid drinkers a thing or two about recruiting. You made my day with your post.
Don’t forget about the BB recruiting. We still have 3 open scholarships. Greentree starts soon.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.12.13 @ 6:38 pm

@ Frankie

PC’s new recruiting plan is to recruit Wisconsin’s roster. Barry A. doesn’t seem to mind.

To bad Danny O’Brien can’t sign with another FBS school after transferring out of Wisconsin, he could be our QB next year. 🙂

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 6:57 pm

PittDan83 lacey the SG from bama it was posted he was going to NCS then he posted he was not sure but if we lose him i dont see any one else for this year except jeter and they both have to sit out a year any way so it is just 10 players for next year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 7:02 pm

From what I’ve seen of most of the top HS hoop players. They transfer to a new HS almost every year. so that trend just continues when they finally hit college.

So while some coaches “game” the system, so are these primadonna’s in HS-AAU hoops. If Pitt is any indication, college football will get just as bad as college hoops.

It’s a circus !

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 7:05 pm

Don’t tell me we’re going to lose another hoop recruit to NC State.

What is Mark Gottfried telling these kids to veer them away from Pitt ?

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 7:07 pm

EMel do youremmber what you said not these exact
words but it went like this chryst would wait till every onr was signed except the 2 syars and they would want to come to pitt becude no one else offered them which means chryst plain worked becuse he got players who wanted to come to pitt.
you said something like that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 7:07 pm

EMel maybe lacey goes there but they have SG i think i am going to go look now will be right back.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 7:10 pm

EMel last year they signed a 5 star SG rodney purvis and this year a 3 star SG
but i think purvis transfered but i am not sure if he did they could use lacey

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 7:17 pm

Yea but we could use him more ! lol

Here’s something to incease your chance of getting after dinner heartburn.

I love the last line, and it is VERY VERY True.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pittsburgh-ad-pederson-given-5-182955296–nfl.html

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 7:23 pm

Another interesting story, Notre Dame has scheduled a football road game at Arizona State for 2014.

What does Fraud Graham have over Notre Dame ?

The year before he conned SP into coming to Pitt, his then team, Tulsa got a very unusual date to play at South Bend (believe it was the first ever meeting). And now Notre Dame is going way out to Arizona State to play a road game against Graham’s current team. hmmmmm

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 7:28 pm

EMel hmmmm

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 7:55 pm

EMel if we lose lacey that will be like the 6 th or 7 th BB recruit we have lost in the last what 8 weeks.
what do you think is wrong at pitt seriously
ant ideas how abought you pittDan83.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.12.13 @ 8:33 pm

Chas – Could you please post the summary of Pederson’s press conference for discussion asap.
I would like to argue about 12 utter fallsehoods (lies) spouted by Pederson with no pushback at all from the press…and how nice of him to mention how great the current Pitt Uni’s look and maybe every once and a while, we could do a throwback Uni (still no mention of script…probably just talking about stripeing the helmet circa 1963!!) What arrogance.

Let’s start with this one “we are about 11,000 seats short from being sold out at Heinz Field for 2013”..Now wait a minute. Are we talking about the same Heinz field that holds 56,500 or the Heinz Field that Pitt lists holding 45,000 for college games?
Even if we use the latter, is Pederson saying we have 36,000 season tickets sold???? I give him 10 pinnochios for that one!!

Comment by Dan 72 06.12.13 @ 8:44 pm

@ Frankie

Dunno. But whatever it is, it’s becoming a trend it seems.

Some ideas: could be kids don’t won’t to play in a defensive system considered a grinding one. Maybe word out is Pitt’s practices are to much of a grind as well. This current generation of kids seems to me, especially in hoops, looking for the easiest way to get thru college or into the NBA.
Pitt has produced one NBA first round draft pick since 2000 at this point. Adams will make #2.
Neither Gray or Adams were considered real exciting type players to watch. Pitt’s most exciting player since 2000 has been Sam Young, yet he is just a marginal players in the NBA and is already on his 3rd or 4rth team. And if you remember Young was going to transfer out himself after JD’s misuse of him his first two years. Only Huggins leaving K State for his alma mater stopped that.

Kids role models are LeBraun and to a lesser extent Kobie. What do those two have in common ?
Well they both were able to skip college entirely and have been known as offensively selfish players.

Watched Game 3 of The Finals last nite, it was incredible to see a team like Miami even in The Finals. As they play like a team you’d see in a pickup game on a outside court somewhere. They have two plays, LeBraun shoots from the outside and LeBraun tries to run a pick and roll. lol

The Spurs didn’t even get good performances from their Big 3, yet still easily picked apart Miami’s dreadful defense by just passing the ball around semi-efficiently.

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 9:35 pm

agree Dan72

The press doesn’t pushback about anything anymore, let alone sports. Journalism is actually shunned today by all main stream outlets.
All they do is repeat the gov’t, corporate babble that is shoveled to them. Exactly what they did concerning SP’s & Nordy’s latest drivel.
Woodward & Bernstein could have never done what they did today. I beleive Bob Woodward was just threatened by the current regime the other month.

In that case they’re all too worried they won’t keep getting the free eats & drinks provided by Pitt before, during and after the game.

Comment by EMel 06.12.13 @ 9:43 pm

I don’t know much about Pederson, but from what I read, I don’t like him. It sounds like he’s ok with mediocrity. He said something like, “we’re going to do more with less.” Um, does anyone remember that Temple got kicked out of the Big East for underperforming? Couldn’t that happen to us if we just sit back and cash the paycheck? Also, am I to understand that our baseball “stadium” only seats 900? Holy crap. I’m usually an optimist, but this guy is an idiot.

Comment by panther94 06.12.13 @ 10:23 pm

I have found him in recet years to be extremely disingenuous who never never accepts responsibility even though he is the top althetic administrator.

But all must accept the fact he is Nordy’s baby and it’s time to move on. The good news is that the school is situated in a very good situation, money and stability wise. The bad news is that the 2 programs most of us care about the most appear to be on a downswing …. although that remains to be seen. The next 2 years will be very telling for both programs although the BB program is usually easier to turn around than FB.

Comment by wbb 06.13.13 @ 6:34 am

derrick randall 6 foot 8 pf center to vist pitt
today he is a transfer from rutgers and could play this year.
lets see if we can get one of these transfers
or will we lose this one to 7 or so have told us
thanks but no thanks lets get one he is from NY
my be slice can work his magic on this one.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.13.13 @ 9:55 am

pitt Dan83 there is one for you keep your fingers crossed

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.13.13 @ 9:57 am

@wbb. Well stated.

It’s taken me quite awhile, but I’ve had the epiphany the past couple months.

Not just saying it, really coming to realization.

Maybe I’ve wanted to believe differently and didn’t want to accept it.

This is the way it is, and the way it’s gonna be.

Nordy thrilled to be hobnobbing with the Duke’s and Wake’s.

He’s happy with SP to win a few hoop games and just get to the tourney most years.

Football, just don’t go 1-11 or 0-12.

Olympic sports. The football and hoops fans don’t pay attention to them. Catch lightning in a bottle once in awhile with one of the teams and just make sure the kids have the oppurtunity to play in these sports.

I have no illusions or delusions of Pitt winning a national championship in football.

However, I have often thought and hoped we could be a perennial top 20 team again.

A comment a buddy of mine made a few months ago made me take stock.

“you know, behind close doors, they’re probably laughing at you die hards, saying things like ‘wow, these people are nuts’ , and ‘are they out of their minds or what?’.

I now believe that they are seriously thrilled as can be with the way things are now, and look at any die hards as a gnat on a donkeys tail.

We are Purdue, We are Cal, We are Georgia Tech

That’s not a terrible thing. Great schools. A lot of people are ok with that. Not die hard sports fans, but we’re in the minority when it comes to Pitt athletics.

Comment by Dan 06.13.13 @ 9:59 am

Dan, very good analogies. Purdue came really close to becoming a great BB team a few yesra back, Cal had its pretty good FB moments last decade as did Ga Tech … but none could ever get over the hump.

Comment by wbb 06.13.13 @ 10:16 am

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