This might be the last year for the graduate transfer rule. Or any transfer that would allow players to be immediately eligible to play right away. At least if the college basketball coaches have their way.
But if the members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches board of directors get their way, all transfers will have to sit out a year, regardless of their issue. There was apparently only one dissenting vote when the group met last week to discuss the issue and suggest to the NCAA a change.
The “transfer free agency” that has overrun college basketball is a direct result of waivers and loopholes that were added to the books a few years ago with good intentions but have netted mixed results.
Of the two most controversial waivers, one allows players to play immediately if they have an ill relative within 100 miles of their home. The other — the one being taken advantage of more and more this spring — allows players to graduate early and seek a master’s degree not offered at their present institution.
Working against the college basketball coaches is that the rules they oppose also apply to all other NCAA sports, so it may not be the easiest thing for them to get changed.
But it is nothing new for the NABC to seek to protect their own interests first.
If you recall, there used to be a longer window for underclassmen to decide if they wanted to turn pro. They had a chance to go to some workouts after the semester ended. Get feedback from the NBA about their potential placement in the draft and make a truly informed decision about their future.
The coaches hated that. Oh, they would publicly support their player. Talk of how they understood how important and big a decision it was. How diligent they were looking at the issue, and how the player was keeping them involved. But behind the aegis of the NABC and privately they seethed. They hated that they didn’t know their roster for next season until late May (or sometimes right before the draft in June). How they didn’t know if they had an extra scholarship to offer another kid in April. Basically, how unfair it was to them to be at the mercy of one of their player’s decision about his future. How selfish of those players.
Forget the hypocrisy of the coaching carousel system that lets them jump to another job whenever they feel like it, no matter the promises and verbal assurances they have given their players.
So, the coaches pushed to get a change to the draft declaration period. One that gives players only a couple weeks to decide after the end of the NCAA Tournament. No matter that the players now don’t get a chance to get feedback since the NBA season would still be taking place. Not to mention the kids still have to go to class and worry about finals. All for their own benefit.
Well, now the transfer options are their next target. Specifically allowing for certain circumstances where a player doesn’t have to sit a year.
Why? Because the players and coaches are putting it to use.
Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, an NABC board member, wasn’t at the meeting last week in Indianapolis but weighed in on the subject when reached this week.
“We’ve just got into an area of unintended consequences,” Boeheim said. “The rule was for if a kid really wanted a different academic program. Now it has gotten to be a strictly playing situation.”
The waiver to allow a player to be closer to a relative has also been abused. The question is does the player want to be closer to his relative and actually help with transportation to treatments, be there to comfort, etc.? Or does he really just want to play in a new location or for a different coach?
“I’ve always felt that if you want to be with the person who is sick, it never made sense to me that you wouldn’t just want to be with that person,” Boeheim said. “Now people are telling the kids, ‘Just transfer and you’ll get eligible. … We’ll figure something out and get you eligible to play.’ I don’t think that’s a good thing.”
Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan, who is on the board, made national news a year ago when he blocked a transfer by Jarrod Uthoff to rival Iowa (Ryan and UW eventually relented, allowing Uthoff to sit out the standard one year). On the postgraduate issue, Ryan makes his position quite clear.
“I positively believe a fifth-year guy should not be able to play right away,” Ryan said. “All they’re doing is looking at curriculum, finding a program that a school doesn’t have. Are they really trying to get a master’s degree? Or is it, ‘Maybe my team isn’t as good and we lost a lot and I want to be in the NCAA tournament next year and …’ There’s a market out there for this. You take guys through summer school and give them every academic advantage and then they graduate and then they can just go to another school.”
Ryan went on to say that this abuse of the waiver “isn’t what college athletics was meant to be. How about the guy leaving his teammates and the coaching staff that developed him?”
Bo Ryan is really a bit of an ass. An excellent coach, but a selfish ass. To him it is all about how the players get all the “benefits.” Academic assistance. Summer school. The benefit of all that coaching.
Forget that it was the coaches themselves that pushed for those things — for their own benefit. They wanted the academic help for the players to keep them eligible. The summer school to keep them on campus and out of trouble; plus the academic eligibility. The coaching staff that put all that effort into teaching him — even if that is their frickin’ job as coaches. All those things are now “perks” that the player is receiving.
To me the graduate transfer rule is the least objectionable thing in the realm of transfers. These are kids who have more than fulfilled their academic requirements. They’ve actually managed to earn their degree. You know, the whole “student” part of the student-athlete. They are essentially getting a reward of being able to make a choice of where they want to finish playing college ball. If they think they can perform on a bigger stage (Josh Davis, Tarik Black) or clash with the coach (DeAndre Kane) or see their minutes going down and hurting their potential future as a pro (Mike Moser), then they let them have that opportunity.
But not for the coaches. They can’t have that. Then the players actually have some measure of control. Plus it means that coaches have to do the distasteful thing for recruiting older, (hopefully) wiser kids. It means poaching players from their fellow coaches.
Also, it hurts the coach’s public perception and possibly their job security. Transfers are (to some extent, correctly) viewed as a symptom of a program in trouble. Seeing players transfer — and worse, having success elsewhere — looks like a coach is struggling to keep his own talent. School presidents and ADs may be more inclined to take a closer look at what is happening in the basketball program. More pressure comes on the coach.
The NABC and individual coaches don’t actually hate the idea of the kids getting some measure of freedom. But this is, once more, about the coaches own interests being put first. It isn’t about the players. It isn’t about the college game. It is about their interests and what they think is best for them. And anything that takes control from them. Anything that could hurt their job security. Well, it is something they don’t want.
Look for the attempt to change the rule to come in some form discussing fairness and how this is in the best interest of the kids. Not at all about coaches seeking to make sure they keep those seniors on the team at their discretion.
Boeheim, who warned that coaches don’t need to come off as “anti-player,” acknowledged that it’s a complex issue.
Yet this “complex issue” for which the NABC wants a blanket rule of if you transfer, you sit a year. Period. That’s some nuanced thought on a complex issue.
The only good news, is that the prospects for the NABC getting their way isn’t clear. While college basketball may be feeling most of the impact, it is applicable across all NCAA sports. Meaning the prospects for fiddling with the transfer rule even more is questionable.
In college football, the impact has been much smaller. Only a handful of noticeable transfers, like Russel Wilson and Dan O’Brien going to Wisconsin in consecutive years and Greg Paulus at Syracuse come to mind. Overall, in college football, the rule impact has been fairly positive an minor. Probably similar in other sports.
Add in the fact that the NCAA is under non-stop fire for their policies that seem to be more about controlling and restricting the “student-athlete” instead of helping them, and I wonder how much stomach the NCAA would have to support passing new rules that are furthering that perception.
The more I read about these kids and their fanaglings in these AAU programs and prep schools, I don’t think too many coaches are taking advantage of them. It might just be the other way around.
Also if they can’t just transfer what impetus is there for the kid to try and actually make an effort to “fit in” and not just become a “poison pill” on the team.
No….. I’m of the belief now, these Coaches have their hands full these days with these punks and their entourages and their wacky parent(s), especially in basketball. But becoming ever moreso in football as well, as we just went thru with the punk from Hopewell.
Also if they CAN just transfer, what impetus is there for the kid to try and …….
P.S. it was a rough nite last nite, need some more coffee.
Apparently some of these long standing unwritten rules don’t apply to some people.
Go figure, lol
but how could eddie jordon bitch or rutgers
when there coach has no degree.
player in the state of wisconsin 100 meter time
of 10.67 seconds should be a great WR at over 6 foot
so maybe we still get him hey 7 foot is 7 foot
what do they say you cant teach tall you are or you
arent
The NCAA has way too much power over the STUDENT-athlete. The entire system is truly an embarrassment to the idea of academic pursuit.
Of course it is a little different in the WPIAL. It’s apparently OK for anyone to transfer to a Catholic school for religious (?) reasons … but God forbid (pun intended) if they transfer out, then it is solely for athletic reasons .. even if the kid transfers back to his own school district where his parents live and pay taxes. (thankfully, the PIAA just scoffs and overrules the WPIAL in most cases)
not his words his tweet was better to see things thru.so my guess he means he is staying were he is
Please forward to JD !
Beanpole still coming, must indicate he is pretty interested.
Have any idea how much eligibility he would have left Frankie ?
C’est la vie
ali and kane to vist this week end.
when he did not come on thur i thought it was over
a no deal but things change day to day dont they.
does not fool around ESPN has him signing 7
commits for 2013 two of them are listed in the ESPN
top 100 which is the same as PITT has.
3 of them are 6 foot 8 and one is 6 foot 11
two are jc players.
if we beat them next year it wont be the cake
walk that it was in the past.
i think the city game will be more fun from now
on.
– get rid of the graduate transfer for immediate play, but then again I wouldn’t red shirt any player.
– get rid of the family illness to get to play right away. With all the technology that exists a player can be in constant contact. I don’t buy the “illness excuse”.
But I would also add that a player can’t declare for NBA until 3 years out of HS. He has the option to go directly out of HS and play in Europe if he so desires and come back to NBA in 3 yrs.
weather he has a contract or not.
so why shouldent a player leave for his last year if he is done with his forth year
or if some one is sick fuck the greedy coach
even though it was the coach that recruited him.
but god forbid the kid wants to leave him self after 4 years i dont bye it i am on the players side
Chas- can you write a post to bring us novice up to date on thing?
here’s the latest baseball post on Pitt site … good day for Pgh .. Pirates and Pens both won also (against New York teams at that)
i still see the kids side of things.
Simply a matter of Chryst going about the business of cleaning house.
The Davis twins were a bad investment from the start… a result of a desperate move by Graham to add some speed to his last-minute recruiting class.
Neither seemed to have the kind of ability that would make you hesitant to cut ties.
My guess is more house cleaning to come by Chryst who epitomizes the adage of a “man with a plan.”
Methodical and according to his own timetable. It’s the same for house cleaning as it is for recruiting.
The Davis twins were part of the 2011 class (you are thinking about the 2010 class). They were not “last-minute” recruits and actually have quite an offer list. Actually, they are part of Chryst’s 1st recruiting class theoretically. I’m surprised Chryst didn’t advise them to go elsewhere when he took over since they did not fit into his system.
the “last minute” class was 2011.
You’re right… a correction is in order…
Davis Twins were Graham recruits who eventually decided to stick with Pitt after the Graham-Haywood-Chryst saga.
In reality Graham recruits… but officially Chryst recruits since he ultimately was the one to sign them.
Being the standup guy he is… Chryst apparently made a decision to stick to the commitment Pitt had made to offer each of them a scholarship.
However, he also told some recruits, he will honor the committment but the chances of them seeing the field was unlikely and they should consider looking elsewhere.
The one I remember was the center from Ohio. He was too short per Chryst. The kid ended up going to some MAC school.
Thanks.
However, this was obviously not the case with Shell and may not be with the Davis’.
With Shell it is pretty widely understood that Chryst laid down the law and he didn’t want to buy in.
Possibly something similar with at least one of the Davis’. However, I think Chryst basically was saying goodbye to Chris who has been suspended at least once… and Demetrious likely opted to leave with his brother. That’s my best guess.
Again, there is nothing to suggest that either of them were going to be future starters.
The Davis twins were part of Shell’s posse as is Rippy. I suspect Rippy will be next.
There will be some scholarships available for walkon’s now. Brown and Banks may be rewarded.
My understanding has been that the incidents were unrelated.
At least it’s not a position of need, but you have the feeling he has a lot of potential. When you think of the problems Jones has at PSU, along with Carswell and Rippy, the players from Sto rox may not be the best investment. (although the DiMichelle kid wasa pretty good one)
I find these transfers disquieting, even if there are rifts between coaching staff and players, it makes me nervous that we basically have 11 guys left from the 2012 recruiting class. I sure hope that Chryst has a few diamonds in the rough in this 2013 class because come 2015, 2016 there sure arn’t going to be many upperclassmen left in the ranks of this football team to carry the load.
Other schools seem to be getting far ahead.
or i should say would not think abought hireing
him becuse he never got a degree.
well rutgers has hired eddie jordan as there new
basketball coach and they knew he never got a
degree what is up with that was there not a rule
or was that just one of thoes unwritten rules