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September 28, 2012

Bad Headlines

Filed under: Fishwrap,Football,Media,Recruiting — Chas @ 1:59 pm

Today is National Drink Beer Day. As such, it might explain the headline in the Post-Gazette in proclaiming: “Recruit Report: Buckeyes are poaching on Pitt’s turf.”

The first thought at seeing that headline, “Oh, crap, Meyer got Dorian Johnson!” Then when you read it, you realize that it is merely an article noting that Ohio State is trying to recruit top players out of Western Pennsylvania, including Johnson and Robert Foster.

Because that has never happened before Urban Meyer showed up in Columbus. Jim Tressel totally ignored top players in the area. The only competition in Western PA came from Penn State and West Virginia. This is something totally new.

Oh, wait. The article even notes that this is not exactly new.

If the Pitt football program is to land a few of the top players in the WPIAL this season, it looks like its top competition might come from Ohio State.

Ohio State has signed nine players from the WPIAL since 2004, and recent recruiting news shows the Buckeyes again are in the hunt for a few top players in the district.

Central Valley’s Robert Foster, ranked among the top receivers in the country, has narrowed his list of colleges to three — Pitt, Ohio State and Alabama.

Belle Vernon offensive lineman Dorian Johnson had said before the season that Pitt and Ohio State were his top choices, but now he is considering Virginia Tech, too.

Now if the article had gone with a headline like “Buckeyes are trying to poach on Pitt’s turf,” or “Buckeyes emerge as top challenge to Pitt for local recruits,” it would have actually jibed with the story.

Since it is just a quick portion of a local recruiting article, it doesn’t get into the obvious issue. That Ohio State probably will be the biggest challenge to Pitt for keeping the best local talent over the next few years, while Penn State deals with its crippling sanctions.

Instead, a crappily written headline feeds gets people annoyed and feeds the paranoia that the P-G is anti-Pitt.





national drink beer day? neat. good day to work in a brewery

Comment by usd121 09.28.12 @ 2:18 pm

I think Urban Meyer is poaching on EVERYONE’S turf. The only thing that could keep him from winning multiple championships at Ohio State would be NCAA sanctions.

Pitt never had a monopoly on WPA recruiting. None of this is really news until Pitt totally strikes out on the top WPA talent; which is why program stability and winning sooner rather than later is imperative.

Comment by Chuck Morris 09.28.12 @ 2:18 pm

I wouldn’t worry about Urban, OSU sanctions may make his stay short. Once he started getting his ass handed to him by Alabama and LSU he suddenly got “exhausted” and “sick”. He’s only a couple of beatings from Michigan and MSU away from getting “sick” again.

Comment by Pittastic 09.28.12 @ 2:24 pm

Ohio State never recruited in Western, PA?

Off of the top of my head, I can think of Terelle Pryor, Corey Brown & Dorian Bell.

Comment by Ghost of Pete Gonzalez 09.28.12 @ 3:30 pm

I too was fooled by the headline.

Comment by wbb 09.28.12 @ 3:33 pm

Ghost of Pete…
Read a little closer… Chas is being sarcastic about the article…
I jumped right to what you said… but after further reading I see the point Chas was making..

Mike White… duh!!! OSU has been recruiting wpial for years…

Comment by Joe D 09.28.12 @ 3:35 pm

Noah Spence

Comment by Tony C 09.28.12 @ 3:46 pm

So Chas, what’s your pleasure this afternoon/evening? Willoughby Brewery, Mullarkey’s, 1899, Ballantyne’s, Nickleby’s, Firehouse … or a bar crawl that includes them all?

Comment by wbb 09.28.12 @ 3:56 pm

Plain and simple, Mike White is stupid.

I actually feel sorry for the guy, but good God is he stupid.

Comment by sfpitt 09.28.12 @ 3:56 pm

for me later… probably Blue Moon or Sam Adams cherry wheat.

Comment by Joe D 09.28.12 @ 4:22 pm

I am so thrilled to have found a distributor in MD that supplies Iron City. Happy Beer day all!

Comment by Dan 72 09.28.12 @ 4:39 pm

“thrilled to have found a distributor…that supplies Iron City.

Back in the 60’s I remember IC as the brew that could grow hair on your toenails!!

Comment by isnore 09.28.12 @ 5:41 pm

@Joe D Thanks! I did not catch that the first time around.

Comment by Ghost of Pete Gonzalez 09.28.12 @ 5:50 pm

We’ll land one or two of the remaining blue chippers then nexy year recruiting will be through the roof.

Comment by Reed 09.28.12 @ 5:58 pm

from our favorite high school writer’s live blog tonight: Zach Challingsworth has been tremendous. Eight catches for 127 yards. A few of them acrobatic. Also ran three times for 23 yards. And intercepted a pass.

He is a Pitt commit with 4.35 speed but only a 2 star — maybe Chryst and company do have a pretty good eye for talent

Comment by wbb 09.28.12 @ 8:27 pm

I thought everyday was drink beer day!

Comment by Moe Greene 09.28.12 @ 9:57 pm

reed, i can think of at least 10 wpial players that pitt has already offered and will be good recruits. elijah zeise, shai mckenzie, brenon thrift, justice rawlins, mike grimm, montae nicholson, dravon henry, brock boxen, jaleel fields, and chandler kincaid. thats just the wpial. theres already a reciever in bethlehem pa, kj williams, who says pitt is his favorite, a safety in maryland who has pitt in his top two. plus, all of those 10 wpial players could easily end up at pitt although i think rawlins, nicholson, and thrift will go elsewhere

Comment by pk 09.29.12 @ 8:15 am

wbb, 4.35!!!!!!!????? when did he run a 4.35??!! thats faaaaaasssstttttt

Comment by pk 09.29.12 @ 8:16 am

I can run a 4.35 (40 yards in 4.35 minutes).

Comment by 66Goat 09.29.12 @ 10:35 am

4.35 in a 10 yard dash….

Time to start building momentum for the next game.

Spent time in Columbus this last week and it is common knowledge that OSU may be in trouble if the NCAA digs into the program just a little bit. One of the big supporters was spouting off about cars for players and the like. Will be interesting if the NCAA looks closer at the chimbukwe’s of the world. Urban is a rule stretcher and breaker. Just a matter of time.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.29.12 @ 10:56 am

Zach doesn’t have 4.35 speed..
made up number…
never did a combine… and didn’t run track..

Comment by Joe D 09.29.12 @ 11:15 am

Rivals has him as 4.43 which I agree is more believable but I read just a few weeks ago in the PG (maybe the Trib) that he was timed at 4.35.

Whatever … he is fast

Comment by wbb 09.29.12 @ 11:54 am

Comment by wbb 09.29.12 @ 11:55 am

now, I am clicking back and forthe between the Ryder Cup and college FB so I’m not going to spend much time on research but, after a 30 second search, I did find this quote published in an article from the PG on 9/15:

Brumbaugh connected with Challingsworth again late in the first half for a 30-yard touchdown.

“My first thought was I overthrew him,” Brumbaugh said. “But it’s hard to overthrow a guy with 4.3 speed

Read more: link to post-gazette.com

Comment by wbb 09.29.12 @ 12:05 pm

wbb… on rivals… you can put whatever number you want… that has not be verified anywhere as he never attended a combine.

Comment by Joe D 09.29.12 @ 12:08 pm

wbb.. for instance, Rushel Shell rivals profile also had 4.45… never verified as he never did a combine.

Comment by Joe D 09.29.12 @ 12:40 pm

What was Challingsworth driving when he was clocked at 4.35?

Comment by Dr. Tom 09.29.12 @ 12:45 pm

let me watch the Rder Cup in peace … I showed you above where it was quoted he was timed at 4.3 (which I agree is hard to believe.) However, here is anothe exceprt for a Aug 23, 2010 PG story:

And then there’s special teams, where Challingsworth is, well, special. He uses his excellent speed — he’s been clocked at 4.4 in the 40-yard dash — to be a constant scoring threat in the return game. He blocked six extra points and three punts last year. And, oh yeah, he was the best punter in the Class AA Century Conference.

Read more: link to post-gazette.com

4.3 – 4.35 – 4.4 – 4.43 ….. whatever? He is quick!

Comment by wbb 09.29.12 @ 1:28 pm

did anyone seee the last olay of the 1st half of WVU v Baylor? What a defensive breakdown by WVU! They definitely will have to outscore people this year (a Fraud Graham wet dream)

Comment by wbb 09.29.12 @ 1:45 pm

wbb…. those articles are meaningless…
show me his electronically timed 40!! there is none.
and quick is different than fast…
I’ve said Shell has quick feet but not fast!!

Comment by Joe D 09.29.12 @ 1:51 pm

OK, I concede …. Challingsworth can’t run a 5.2 with a 50 mile wind at his back … and I’m sure Mike Shanahan running backwards can beat him in a race

Comment by wbb 09.29.12 @ 2:02 pm

Enjoyed the Flag Football game in Morganhole today.
What a joke, no defense at all. Both DC’s should be fired this evening, maybe their entire staffs with them. 13 TD passes, 1400 offensive yds. lol

Pitt’s D held the hoopies below 30 points. Believe we were the last team to do so. Keith Patterson must have been some sort of genius.

Comment by Emel 09.29.12 @ 5:55 pm

emel, keith patterson is wvus defensive coordinator right now lol

Comment by pk 09.29.12 @ 6:53 pm

Don’t forget – Phil Bennett is Baylor’s Def co-ordinator.

Comment by markp 09.29.12 @ 8:06 pm

Last night I attended the Robert Morris vs. Layfeyette game. On RMU’s roster are 4 athletes from California and six or more from Florida. If Bobby Mo can recruit the West coast, why can’t PITT? Given time I am sure we will. BTW Banasak (sp) was pretty fired up with a 31-28 win….great game!

Comment by PITTPUP84 09.30.12 @ 9:32 am

Geno Smith, Steadman Bailey, Andrew Buie … just to name 3 of many are from Florida …..

yet while these guys were being recuited, our great Athletic Director cut the recruiting budget in 09 resulting in just one FL recruit in 09 class and no FL recruits on 010 class(and we all know how good FL has been to Pitt in years prior.) I would hope that since we are now ACC, (1) the budget will be inceased and (2) we will hit FL and surrounding pretty hard

Comment by wbb 09.30.12 @ 9:55 am

wbb,
In the meantime, he can focus on 20 HS in wpial and train the coaches on how to develop football players!!
and… don’t forget about the speed and conditioning aspect of things!!

Comment by Joe D 09.30.12 @ 10:19 am

wbb,
Hopefully we can recruit nationally! But how is it that RMU can get CA players when their budget, I suppose, is nowhere close to PITT’s? How do they do it and not us? I agree, get the local kids and win…..thus the rest of the FBS recruited kids may take notice. BTW the running back for Bobby Mo was from CA and was pretty impressive, the kid had some mojo!

Comment by PITTPUP84 09.30.12 @ 10:53 am

I don’t disagree with getting the local kids at all. Remember Wanny’ statement of building a fence arounf Western PA? Of course tht never quite happened … but I believe you can build a pretty good base with locals – yet that is still not enough to be where most people on this site want to be.

There is still local quality …. there just isn’t not anywhere the quantity there used to be like a few decades ago

Comment by wbb 09.30.12 @ 11:36 am

Pederson is a great AD: with a great eye for head coaching talent at the money making or losing football level. He is also a great design architect and his cost over runs at the Pete combined with the litigation costs were nothing. Just Smiley himself if you don’t believe me.
He stinks!!!!!
Nebraska knew what it was doing when they fired him.
Pitt needs to show him the door: not Dan Mason.

Comment by SFPitt 09.30.12 @ 6:50 pm

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