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August 23, 2012

OK.  Camp is just over and we are getting ready for normal game prep practices starting tomorrow.  It has been a very interesting camp with some pretty big stories coming out of it.

On August 6th we posted an article asking the following five questions about this season’s training camp.  Well, let’s look at the answered and at some other eventful things that transpired over the last 16 days.

1.  What will be the overall tenor of the practices and of the post-practice interviews?

Alright.  We pretty much knew what kind of personality Paul Chryst was going into this thing.  He isn’t your verbose, eternally optimistic guy.  His post-practice interviews are, to put it mildly, boring.  He said nothing about any players, even the injured ones, and plays his job close to the vest.  He is what he is, as they say.

The tenor of the practices was a different matter.  In the scrimmages I saw and in reading the numerous practice reports by the local beat writers the overall theme with this camp was teaching the players the staff’s way of preparing for and conducting a football game.  There was a real sense of ‘get down to it and work‘ as evidenced by how many plays were run during the scrimmages – 183 and 129 respectively.  That’s a lot of football in three hours.  Here is a quote that sums up the physicality of the camp:

Pitt coach Paul Chryst knew only one way to conclude the most physically demanding training camp since before the Dave Wannstedt era. He put the team through its fourth live scrimmage Wednesday on the next-to-last day. “What better way than to play some ball?” he asked. Several players have said this is the toughest camp in their time at Pitt, and Chryst makes no apologies. “You try to just make some informed decisions and try to do what’s best for the group,” he said. “I think we have gotten better through the course of it. I wish we had two more months of it, really.”

Another indication of how physical it was is the number of injuries, mostly minor, that were sustained by the hard hitting and long hours.  Chryst said he wanted to see tough kids in the lineup this season and this was how he started down that path.

2. Speaking of incoming freshman we’ll keep an eye on two in particular – Shell and Voytik.

The dust hasn’t completely settled with these two true FR yet and might not until the season unfolds.

As it stands now Shell is third or fourth on the RB depth chart, depending on Graham’s availability, behind Graham, Bennett and Crockett.  Shell was sitting out of practices all last week and while that didn’t help him to grab a higher spot in the rotation, it also didn’t drop him any farther down.  I think if Graham can’t go for some time then Shell will be that third guy in if the staff wants to have three RBs share the load.

Shell has been saying that he amenable to a redshirt if the staff wants that to happen.  He wasn’t at first but apparently his teammates explained the benefits and he understands more clearly what it is all about.  Then, this week when Shell could return to taking snaps, he played much more solid ball and worked his way back into the conversation at RB.  We’ll see on Sept 1st where he stands,  it could go either way and he’ll most probably still be 3rd string going into the season .

Chad Voytik has stirred the QB pot with his last week’s level of play and is showing what could either be a glimpse of future seasons at PITT or of the future games in 2012.  No staff or media types have talked about him starting in place of Sunseri as yet, the frustrated and Sunseri-weary PITT fans have been doing enough of that, but the popular consensus seems to be “keep your eye on this situation“.

Voytik really helped his cause by a good formal scrimmage and solid practices in this last week of camp.  He faltered a bit in yesterday’s informal scrimmage but certainly showed the staff enough to understand that he’s a viable college QB down the road.  But, of course, the fans want to know if he is one now.

In that the question Paul Chryst has to answer is pretty simple, who is the best QB to help towards wins at this point and for this season?  So far that has been Tino Sunseri.  Who knows what the answer will be in a month or two?

3.  What is the linebacker depth and Dan Mason’s status?

Linebacker depth has been pretty severely impacted by injuries to Todd Thomas (ACL)  and Ejuan Price (pectoral muscle).  Price will get back on the field sooner than Thomas apparently.  It may be some length of time before Thomas will be suited up in a serious playing time mode.  Right now, if the YSU game was played tomorrow,  the two deep would look like this: Eric Williams,  Shane Gordon, and Nicholas Grigsby as starters in that field order with Manny Williams, Jason Frimpong and Joe Trebitz working multiple positions behind them.

Deaysean Rippy and Bam Bradley were also in the lineup at LB at various times but as true FR I’ll be surprised if we see then in anything other than mop up if they aren’t redshirted.

Dan Mason has been in uniform and out on the field all camp.  He’s been taking mostly 3rd string snaps with some 2nd string mixed in depending on how many LBs are held out of practice that day.  I think that, sad as it is, it is safe to say his days of holding a starting job at PITT are over.  That said, he’s been in on special plays, conversions, PATs, short yardage so he’s contributing out there, just not to the level we all hoped he could get back to.  Of course, he’s a role model on the sidelines also.

4.   Who will win the DE and Safety starting jobs?

DE has been an interesting position to watch this camp.  Tyrone Ezell started off with a bang by showing his speed and power by knocking down passes and dropping ballcarriers in the backfield from the right DE position, which was a new place for him to play.  T. J. Clemmings seemed to have shed his cocoon and is spreading his wings at the other DE position nad was getting nice mentions after the practices bu this close mouthed staff.

Behind those two there was a three way battle for the back up spots with Jack Lippert, Shane Hale and Bryan Murphy competing hard to be in the mix.  Back and forth and rotations by everyone through the two deep and it shook out like this.

Ezell was moved back inside to take the 1st team spot from Mosley-Smith and Lippert was named the other 1st team DE.  That left Shane Hale and Bryan Murphy as 2nd string with true FR Darryl Render getting 2nd team snaps also.  Speaking of Render both he and Terrell Jackson will get playing time this season on the DL as freshman.  LaQuentin Smith  looks like he’ll be on the interior when he comes back from injury.

The safeties will be a mixture of four guys with Holley Tags, Vinopal and Hendricks all playing in combos depending on different situations.  Tags has been very active in camp and has apparently secured the other starting spot opposite Holley if you were playing this week.  Toward the very end of camp, and really due to injuries Anthohy Gonzalez had some decent reps in practice so it looks like he’s there for at least this season.

5.  How well has  Ray Graham rehabbed his knee and how well can he play?

Big Question!  Well, for the fact that he tore it last October and it is usually a full year before a player is able to go full speed he’s ahead of the curve.  Yesterday he took off the no-touch green jersey and ran five times during the first series of the informal scrimmage ending up in the end zone on his last carry. So, he’s showing some prior abilities out there.

Unfortunately, that may be the last we see of him in any real action for some weeks.  Personally, I don’t think he’ll play in the opener.  It remain to be seen if he’ll play the next short week against Cincinnati.   Regardless, I think Rudolph will be calling Bennett’s and Crockett’s numbers a lot more than Ray Graham’s during the first few games.





Unfortunate situation for Dan Mason and also Ray Graham. Two quality players who can make the difference between winning and losing close games. One day Pitt’s bad luck will change.

Comment by JR 08.23.12 @ 8:50 am

I read somewhere… the highest bench press among Pitt players is Donald at 450#.
#2 is Mason at 425# or 430… something like that.

I hope they play to win the game… instead of trying to save a red-shirt. That said, Voytik should get playing time EVERY game. Render and Jackson should get playing time EVERY game. Bisnowtowy should get playing time EVERY game. The OL & DL depth is scary this year as well as next year.

Comment by Joe D 08.23.12 @ 9:05 am

i think the starting 3 at linebacker in gordon, williams, and grigsby is a solid group. if they can stay healthy and produce while price and thomas work their way back in, that would be a huge help. linebacker is really the only question on defense, imo, even though you all know i love this core when healthy. also, after all ive heard of bam bradley, id be a little surprised if he redshirted. hes played safety and linebacker in camp and, as mentioned, the depth at backer is not good right now.

Comment by pk 08.23.12 @ 9:08 am

joe, i agree with you there. those freshman, ie voytik, render, jackson, and imo bradley at mlb need game experience. if theyre ready, play them. it will help the team depth-wise this year and will help in the future as well. also, apparently the staff has told jp holtz that he will play this year. i actually think he will have a pretty big impact

Comment by pk 08.23.12 @ 9:12 am

Guys – Holtz is a given at TE this season. He was great in camp and doesn’t need any time of the weights, etc… at all.

If I was to bet I bet Voytik and Shell get some, if not a lot, of PT this year also.

It all depends on injuries.

Comment by Reed 08.23.12 @ 9:16 am

I am concerned about the depth/skill at linebacker. Since it appears we have depth/skill at the safety position, wonder if any of our safeties have the size to use them as a sort of ‘roving linebacker’- kinda of a makeshift linebacker/safety? I know it’s not optimal, but may be a way to get more talent on the field. HTP

Comment by pittbluegold 08.23.12 @ 9:20 am

^^^ Yes, you may see either Tags or Vinopal in that role sometimes, like a 4-2-5 defense with a Safety coming up.

Comment by Reed 08.23.12 @ 9:29 am

Two redshirts already starting to smolder.

If I’m the coach, I get Voytik meaningful action as early as I can… YSU is the logical choice.

Do not understand all the angst over whether Voytik is going to be able to preservie an extra year of eligibility in order to mature. If you haven’t noticed, the kid is already physically put together like a fifth year senior.

Besides, the whole quarterback landscape is going to changeover at least once before the time comes to worry about Voytik’s eligibility expiring.

The other shirt smoldering is Shells. Despite a tumultuous training camp, he’s now No. 2 behind Bennet and with Graham on the sidelines.

Prediction – Shell will turn out to be the big surprise as his impact running behind the Chryst power offense will be felt early and will only build from there once the season really gets going.

Comment by PittofDreams 08.23.12 @ 9:44 am

I assume Wisconsin runs camp with the same type of intensity. I hope that toughness translates to the games for Pitt like it does for the Badgers.

Chryst may not be a great interview but it seems like those asking the questions respect him and vice versa.

At least we know he isn’t shoveling the BS.

Comment by notrocketscience 08.23.12 @ 9:48 am

I agree that if the staff feels Voytik is better than Anderson, he should not be redshirted

Comment by wbb 08.23.12 @ 10:03 am

I think Shell has a better chance of getting a red shirt than Voytik at this point. I agree that Chad should get playing time initially, and I think he will, but I wonder how long coach will keep it up.

Anyways, we’re getting close to the first kickoff and i’m pretty damn excited.

Comment by Benzene 08.23.12 @ 10:29 am

POD,
Shell is behind Crockett…. but I see him as a red-shirt this year.
As for Holtz…. I forgot to list him because I thought of him as a gimme that he was getting playing time.

Comment by Joe D 08.23.12 @ 10:46 am

Not too get too far ahead, but if Chapman comes in and can be coached up another level. We are potentially looking at Savage in 2013, Voytik for at least 2 years (probably 3) and Chapman will still have 2 years left with 2 seasons of experience. Then Kincaid???? Could that be 5-7 years of above average QB play at Pitt? We might have to shut down Pitt Blather for lack of things to discuss.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 08.23.12 @ 11:19 am

I guess so … since this site apparently puts all the blame on the QB (yet gives him any credit for wins)

Comment by wbb 08.23.12 @ 11:29 am

Could that be 5-7 years of above average QB play at Pitt? We might have to shut down Pitt Blather for lack of things to discuss.
Comment by CNorwoodAZ 08.23.12 @ 11:19 am

Anyway we can move up the above average QB play at PITT for this year ????
Just asking (or maybe wishing) 🙂

Comment by Emel 08.23.12 @ 11:56 am

Oy vey, the LB situation does not look to enticing.
Grigsby has never played a down, Williams maybe a couple downs (if any) and Gordon had 2 less than sterling starts before ending up back on the bench in a reserve role.

I mentioned this the other week and Reed mentioned it again above, the 4-2-5 look, looks more appealing everyday. Only question is: is Vinopal or Tags big enough or durable enough to play sort of like a Pantherback role ?? Which would include a lot of run support.

Cause I see the LB’s getting exploited, while their on,…..On-the-Job training.

TT might be headed for a medical redshirt, same with Price. Oy Double Vey !

HTP !!

Comment by Emel 08.23.12 @ 12:04 pm

I’m not sure I’m as concerned about the lack of depth at the linebacker position as I would be if the team’s two major strenghts weren’t the DL and DBs. It doesn’t seen that there is a lack of decent (albeit not great) talent on hand, although I agree it would be much more comforting if Price and Thomas were manning two LB spots.
If Thomas is out for the season and Price will either be back very late or back at much less than 100%, seems like we are going to need the rest of the D to help make-up for some drop-off in LB talent.
But again, not to rehash, the biggest barrier to Pitt getting 8-9 wins as opposed to 6-7 wins is the performance of the offense. Seems like most of the starting WRs got little work in camp and thus little familiarity with the new offensive system, RBs are deep but if Graham is not back at 90%-100% the talent level is no where near as promising as we hoped. and there is no depth at all on the OL.
I would like to be commended by the followers of this blog for not even mentioning the most obvious barrier to the offense being good enough.

Comment by Taxing Matters 08.23.12 @ 12:16 pm

1.) 9-3 Record 2.) Conservative game plan & solid running game limits Tino’s stats. 10TDS with 6 picks & 2200yds. Expect Tino to average less than 200 passing yds. Ray will have less than 500 yds as knee limits playing time. 3.) Expect JP Holtz to make an impact. 4.) Nothing could be worse than the past 18mths but injuries & not reaching full potential would be disappointing & finally good LORD willing all PITT fans will be able to say “The Roar has been Restored!!! Hail To PITT!

Comment by DC33 08.23.12 @ 12:19 pm

whats the deal with price and thomas at lb.. they played very well before the injuries…

Comment by Snala The Panther 08.23.12 @ 2:01 pm

Paul Chryst is going to let the team’s actions speak for him.

We have to stay healthy on both lines to be any good this year.

If Shell stays in college beyond three years, I’ll just $hit. Not going to happen! Therefore, PLAY HIM AS MUCH AS YOU CAN THIS SEASON IF HE IS GOOD ENOUGH.

Just because Voytik does not utilize a redshirt for his freshman year, does not mean that he can never use it. Of all of the positions needing more depth for this season, QB is the glaring one that has NO DEPTH without Voytik in the mix. Whoever the #2 QB is, they need to see the field this season to get experience and become a viable backup to Sunseri. That guy is one play away from being the starter if Tino goes down with an injury.

Therfore, forget about a redshirt for Voytik this season, although he might utilize it in the future sometime during his QB career.

Finally the vibe from this team, the fan base and the media feels very different from last year at this time. Considering all of the crap this program has trudged through over the last year and a half, it pretty amazing that there is such a positive feeling about this season. Let’s hope that that positive preseason vibe is substantiated on the field of play.

HAIL TO PITT!

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.23.12 @ 3:24 pm

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