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August 1, 2012

Let me echo (in a variation) the comments Paul Zeise made about “rooting” for the Big East’s survival. I’m rooting for the football schools in the Big East to survive. USF, Louisville, Rutgers, Cinci and even UConn. They’ve been stuck in the same boat as Pitt for a while. And their path really doesn’t get any easier. They’re stuck in the conference because there is no other choice right now. These aren’t programs that haven’t put any effort into their football and sports. They aren’t coasting on the conference. Yet they are stuck. It could very easily have been Rutgers or UConn heading to the ACC instead of Pitt or Cuse, and we’d be bemoaning Pitt’s plight.

Yeah, I have nothing but contempt for most of the conference framework. The basketball-side that controls too much. The continuing kow-towing to Notre Dame. Even that chunk of media that somehow romanticizes the Big East of the 80s as something pure — when it was created solely to make money for the programs and try to shield basketball-only schools from the growing power of college football. And the host of other issues.

That doesn’t mean I want the football schools screwed.

I watched some of the media day activities.

Interim Commissioner Joe Bailey definitely put the “Interim” in the title. He just didn’t want to be there and couldn’t have been less enthusiastic to speak first. It does appear that the Big East might have a real commissioner named by the end of August — just in time to try and negotiate a new TV deal. There are five unnamed finalists.

One of the people is thought to be Associate Big East Commissioner for Football, Nick Carparelli, Jr. He followed Bailey and I have to admit to being impressed. He actually talked up the Big East. Not simply in terms of markets — like Bailey and Marinatto before that. But in terms of the product. Yeah, it’s a tough sell, but he was actually making it.

I don’t see the basketball schools letting someone like Caparelli getting the gig, even if he is in-house. He’s a football guy. He doesn’t have Providence ties (Syracuse for an MBA). He worked for the Syracuse and Notre Dame Athletic Departments on the football side for both. He actually has an understanding of the football side of things beyond simply putting up with it. Admittedly I think for the sake of the football schools, the Big East needs to go outside the offices in Providence, but I have little faith that this will yield results beyond hiring a basketball guy from somewhere else.

And that just sucks for the football schools in the Big East.





I feel bad for Rutgers. The other schools…not so much.

Comment by TX Panther 08.01.12 @ 9:48 am

I feel for UConn. They invested alot in facilities and didn’t ask for this. Louisville will eventually get a Get Out Of Hell free card from the Big 12.

Comment by owtahear 08.01.12 @ 10:01 am

I would not be surprised to see UConn and Rutgers join us in the ACC at some point relatively soon. The NYC market is the biggest hole in the ACC domination of the east coast. Both schools help fill that hole. Plus I think all the major conferences are heading to 16 teams.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 08.01.12 @ 10:46 am

I don’t see the 16 team model being the trend, even though a year ago I thought it was a certainty for the conference landscape. This past year has shown that you need quality programs that have attractive programs, not just increased numbers of members in large markets to get the best TV deals. Plus, after giving expansion pause, there seems to be real doubt that 16 teams could actually cooperate as a conference. Speaking specifically to the ACC, there will be internal pushback on adding more teams, which at this point, would essentially constitute a long-term merger with the old Big East (7 total members over a ten year period!). Further additions would challenge the powerbases of the NC schools and the FSU/Clemson contingent. So, I cannot see where Rutgers and UConn fit in (or would be allowed to fit in) going forward in the ACC. Being near NYC probably isn’t enough to outweigh the other factors in play.

Comment by Greg in New Orleans 08.01.12 @ 11:16 am

I’ll be glad to see the BE in the rear view mirror come 2013. But I don’t feel bad for any schools left in the conference. Life is what you make it, so do something about it. The Big East will remain a strong basketball conference even without Pitt and the Orange. And as far as football is concerned, except for Rutgers, can anyone truly think that the the football playing schools were in a BETTER position in their previous conferences than they are now? Yeah I know UCONN has always been a BE member but they have been playing Div I football now for about 7 or 8 years now? So really, no pity party for anybody is necessary. Make the BE conference in to what you want it to be and make the best of it while you’re a member.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.01.12 @ 11:21 am

I could care less about Paul Zeise’s personal view toward anything.
There isn’t a school among the football schools who would feel sorry for Pitt so why waste the energy?
They have highly paid people running their ships…if they can’t stay afloat, so be it.
Finally and a bit off topic….I mesmorized the people at the athletic department at Pitt this week and this continues to be my major area of concern.
I increased my monthly donation (which they missed by a month–but they are human) and when they corresponded with me to confirm, I asked them to tell me what their “vision” was. What goal was the department striving to achieve and what is their view of the world they serve.
I did not get and will not get an answer.
And that is the problem as I see it, you can’t lead people unless you have a destination in mind.
Pitt’s athletic department still does not have an identity, no real higher purpose and nothing that they foresee in their future.
Want to know why Pitt athletics have come across as 2nd rate? Ask yourself what valuable and successful organization lacks a sense of self and purpose.

Comment by sfpitt 08.01.12 @ 11:39 am

That’s why Stevie P is the anti-Christ and must be sent back to Hell (Nebraska that is).

What kind of culture exists inside our own athletic department? We know they are good at balancing the budget and pissing off big time boosters (fund raising levels are below par compared to other schools).

I wish Pitt’s other sports programs didnt suck so much. Wrestling is very good now but its not part of the ACC. What is Pitt doing to field a lacrosse team which does have a place in the ACC?

Why does Pitt continue to be cheap?

I like the balance between academics and athletics but what is Pitt doing to ensure athletic success in all their sports?

Did you see where we placed in the Director’s Cup this year? Pathetic.

We now have the facilities (outside a track field) so what’s the excuse? Pitt is leaderless.

Comment by TX Panther 08.01.12 @ 11:53 am

While UConn and Rutgers are logical candidates for the ACC – both geographically and academically .. I’m afraid they will make the grave mistake of holding out for Notre Dame.

While ND will tell them face-to-face how the ACC will definitely be their choice if and when the want their FB team to join a conference, it will be totally disingenueous.

By joining the B10, ND will:

1) get much more money from TV and bowl arrangements,
2) will greatly reduce the traveling expense of its Olympic sports, and
3) will be able to maintain its 3 most revered FB rivalries aside from USC.

The only reason that ND wouldn’t join the B10 is that they don’t get favorable coverage which would involve national coverage of all of its games — something that the ACC will concede.

Comment by wbb 08.01.12 @ 11:56 am

Good post Chas, I feel the same way. They ignored the interests and concerns of the football schools. It seems as though they barely tolerated the football side of things except for the money that football generated. The whole sweet-heart deal Notre Dame got bothered me as well. I hope the ACC does not continue to court Notre Dame at the expense of UConn and Rutgers, because as Boubacar noted above, the New York market is still a hole in the ACC’s coverage.

Comment by Justinian 08.01.12 @ 12:04 pm

I can’t think of a better parting gift to the Big East than taking the 2013 trophy to the ACC. Pitt will probably lose at 4 or 5 games this year but only 1 or 2 may be to Big East teams. Without the Hoopies this thing is wide open. The new Big East Bowl should be named the Mediocrity Bowl. They should play it on a Tuesday early in December on USPNU.

Comment by end of an era 08.01.12 @ 12:06 pm

TX Panther, I love your work in general. But I think you’ve come down a little too hard on Steve Pederson.

My main knock against the guy is the whole adios Script / groundhog logo / no-mas Pitt brain-fart before he left. Still rankles me. And to a lesser extent, the hiring of Mike Haywood (I thought it was a mistake even before he bailed out Stevie-P by committing career suicide).

Look at the positive moves (which even I gotta concede far outweigh losing the script): He brokered the move to the ACC, which will prove huge financially (and respect too) for football. He brought “Pitt” back. He’s brought back (soon) the PSU game. He got us out of the dump that was Pitt Stadium (great location, bad facility), and into shared facilities with the Steelers (better facilities improves recruiting). Hoops is better than ever. Wrestling is (perhaps) better than ever, certainly as good as ever. Just to name a few.

You knock him for lacrosse? (FWIW, I’d add mens & womens ice hockey to that list). Wow, tough grader.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 08.01.12 @ 12:16 pm

I don’t understand the general animostiy towards the Big East from a lot of our fans. For however poorly managed the league was, it was by far better than any alternative available to Pitt. We were headed straight for the MAC in FB without the BE. Would our BB Program have survived as an Independent? We played in a FB conference with AQ BCS status. We played in what could be argued was the premier BB conference. In FB we had the chance, and a really good one, to step into the void left by VT or Miami when they left and we just did not get it done. Its not the BE’s fault. Cinci and WVU developed some really good teams (even Lville had one great year) in the post Miami/VT years. Pitt fans, don’t hate the BE because we failed to get it done. I am happy to be moving on to the ACC, and grateful for the opportunities that the BE presented our sports teams with for the last two+ decades. I will continue to root for all of the remaining BE teams and hope the league can prove all of us wrong and not only survive, but thrive.

Comment by HbgFrank 08.01.12 @ 12:28 pm

Fair enough Imma. But, I still think Pitt could do better at this point. Stevie’s tenure is a mixed bag of success. I give him credit for tearing down the dump and having a good relationship with Jamie but he’s screwed up tradition, pissed off boosters and is a poor judge of coaching talent. I think Pitt is just best served by new leadership in the future. The ACC will be a step up in all sports for Pitt. I have my doubts based on Stevies track record that he has what it takes to get Pitt to that next level and sustain it. I love the hockey idea but it’ll take money to pay for all those scholies. I assume the Pete could be retrofitted or games could be played at Consol?

Comment by TX Panther 08.01.12 @ 12:32 pm

TXP, Agreed, the Director’s Cup standings do look pretty bad, but we don’t even field teams in 4 of the 9 fall Director’s Cup categories. It’s going to be tough for us to score in the top 50 unless we expect all of our sports team to finish in the top 30.

Past 10 years: Heinz Field, new South Side Sports Complex, Petersen Events Center, new complex for baseball, softball and soccer, new gymnastics center, new wresting facilities and they are working on plans to upgrade the track and field facilities. So Pitt has or will be spending SIGNIFICANT dollars on every sport in relation to our total athletic budget.

Gheeez, guy, how much more do you want?

Comment by cnorwoodaz 08.01.12 @ 1:24 pm

Imma Man
The good moves made by the athletic department should not be dismissed.
But, if we are ever going to at least match the sum of our parts, we have to have a goal, a vision of what we hope to achieve. We don’t have that.
We have a lot of ingredients to be successful, but since we don’t have a vision, there isn’t anything to measure our efforts except wins and losses.
Of course those count, but that doesn’t set us apart.
Everyone wants to win, but few know how to win. Those that do start with a vision and work toward that. Whether they reach their destination is almost inconsequential….the journey carries its own rewards.
But if you don’t have a vision, you don’t have a journey. You just wander.
At Pitt, we wander.
That is what hurts the most.

Comment by sfpitt 08.01.12 @ 3:42 pm

I’ll tell you what I want, I have a vision, one of total national college sports domination! One where the fans are single minded and walk in lock step to the beat of the leadership. And the leaders will lead without concessions, to victory!! WE ARE PENN STATE!

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.01.12 @ 4:11 pm

Ironic isn’t it that a cult can create that shared vision. Not advocating cult like thinking at Pitt but some passion would help along with a common purpose. What does Pitt want to be? If we want to be elite, we need to raise the money and then spend it wisely on coaches, facilities and scholies in sports we can compete in. So what comes first? Money or wins? I think it takes money for those wins. Money to build world class facilities, pay for the scholies, pay for good coaches and assistants. Then Pitt needs to win or all its money is pissed away.

Comment by TX Panther 08.01.12 @ 7:50 pm

Well Dr. PSU was pretty good until ’98.
I give money, but unlike PSU folks I DO ASK QUESTIONS.

My vision? A self supporting athletic department with 2 more varsity sports and a renewed focus on club sports. Where the purest student athletes call home.

Pitt needs to stand for something. PSU had one creep of a head football coach for fifty years. Pitt? Vegas has the over/under at 12.

Seems like both approaches have failed. I don’t care about PSU, but I care about Pitt. Time for us to define our brand and stamp it.

Comment by SFPitt 08.01.12 @ 10:33 pm

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