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July 8, 2012

While skimming the sports news this morning I came across this Sports Illustrated blog article on the caliber of Penn State recruiting in the face of the Sandusky scandal (in the middle of the linked page).  It details why recruits don’t seem to be bothered by it at all. This sheds some light on why some of us fans didn’t think PSU wouldn’t miss a beat with their football program.

“Christian and I have taken the role of being the leaders of this class,” said Breneman. “It takes a different kind of player to be part of this and we want to be difference makers.

“If you look on Twitter under the hashtag “Restore the Roar” – that’s us and that’s what we want to do. We’re not done yet, our goal is to have a top five class.”

“There’s a new energy with the program,” said Hackenberg, who was born in Tamaqua, Pa. and grew up in northeastern Pennsylvania before moving to Virginia. “Coach O’Brien has brought that and he’s the biggest reason I’m going to Penn State.”

Neither Hackenberg nor Breneman are concerned what others think or say about the program. They have formed their own ideas. “Outsiders don’t understand what it means to be a Penn Stater,” Breneman said. “I grew up as a Penn State fan and had to separate that when making my decision. I’ve gotten some hate mail and heard all the nasty comments and jokes. But those people just don’t get it. One guy will not tear the university down.”

This is fascinating to me in that we have a whole subset of players, parents and HS coaches who have blatantly and purposely turned a blind eye to what has transpired at Penn State over the last year.  Of course it helps to be able to put all the blame on Jerry Sandusky and thus overlook the role at least four other PSU administrators had in this, including the previous head coach.  Apparently PSU recruits can only have one thought in their minds at any given time.  Facts, who needs stinking facts?

It’s pretty sad actually.

Last Saturday the Harrisburg Patriot-News ran a similar article regarding how well PSU has done so far.  PSU football truly is an “Us vs Them” issue as is the viewpoint the rest of the university has taken forever.

“I think ignoring the outside, the negative press, and just focusing on what we can control. I think it’s focusing on the positive steps that the program and our class are making,” Cedar Cliff five-star tight end Adam Breneman said. “In a way, it kind of encouraged me to go to Penn State, and our class is kind of taking that us-against-the-world mentality. We know the whole story is not all about football. We’re well aware of what’s happening. We’re doing everything we can to push forward.”

Uhhh, perhaps you aren’t as aware as you think you are.

On one hand I am scratching my head about the decision making these recruits are doing yet on the other hand I can also see why it’s being done.  Penn Sate football is a powerful brand and is at the top of the heap for Northeastern football players, where most of their recruits come from.

I’ve never been the type of PITT fan who automatically hates our rivals.  I’ve a healthy respect for the West Virginia footballs team and I’ve always felt Penn State ran a good program in addition to being a fine university all around.  So I don’t exactly relish what has transpired with the Sandusky scandal.

That said, one of the things I have actively disliked about PSU is their fans.  Obnoxious, overbearing and fantastical just begins to describe how I view them.  The mantra of “We are…. Penn State!” has always sort of turned my stomach especially when viewed through the lens of the PSU fans attitudes.  That obsessive take on PSU football is what led to a student riot to protest the firing of a football coach even after the nation learned that decades of child abuse happened on the Penn State campus.  How ironic is that to the outside world?

So I can’t say I feel much sorrow for those bent fans these days, not like how I feel about the PSU alumni and the faculty who are being caught up in this negative whirlpool through no fault of their own.  But here is what really gets me… the current crop of recruits seem to want to continue that cult of membership.  “We   are….Penn State! indeed and as a matter of fact you guys aren’t and never will be.

In light of this the new head coach, Bill O’Brien, has had to institute a new secret handshake and revised the super secret password program to be able to get into team meetings since Paterno’s old ones are going to be outed in the Freeh Report.  This way of doing business has taken hold with the recruits…

“We’re building our own relationships, and nothing is going to get in the way of our goals,” Hackenberg said. “I really don’t have any comment on that whole situation. That’s the same for a lot of us. That wasn’t us in any shape or form. That was the last staff. And, to be honest, we’re sort of using it as motivation.”

… “and nothing is going to get in the way of our goals“. Hmmm, where have we heard that before?

But Penn State is hauling them in right now and that is impressive as hell considering.  As of this morning they have seven four star recruits and seven three star guys and is averaging 3.5 stars at this point according to Rivals.com.  That is truly impressive and on pace to be a higher star average class then anything PITT has done since the recruiting sites started the star system.

We just can’t seem to catch a break can we?  The worst scandal in sports history and it bolsters PSU’s recruiting…

College football fans across the country are asking, ‘Yeah, but what happens to the PSU football program when the other shoe drops with the subsequent investigations and trials?‘, and the answer is most probably nothing.  The PSU administration will have its world rocked, there may be more arrests coming out of the second Grand Jury convention and Centre County may find itself in a maelstrom of bad press due to The Second Mile issues but Penn Sate football will still be a-chugging down the track with a silly grin on its face.

Should PSU get the Death Penalty, which IMO they won’t, their players are allowed to transfer without the usually required one year sit out period, so that covers them.  Any NCAA sanctions less than that, a loss of a bowl, loss of scholarships, etc.. might upset the school and its fans for a year or two but in the long run Penn Sate football is still going to be Penn State football – a world where, as Pogo says, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”





If Pitt begins winning, the atmosphere and excitement will come back. Look at the Pirates. Everyone loves a winner and wants to be part of it. The bandwagon fans will come back. Pitt needs them. Winning depends on talent and coaching. Hopefully, we have the right coaches now. Then a program needs stability. Hopefully Chryst won’t get fired after a string of 8 or 9 win seasons. Hopefully, Pitt wins big on the national stage and doesn’t get blown out and embarrassed. I will take underperforming for stability at this point. Wanny’s teams underperformed but the players didn’t really get better, weren’t coached up, and Pitt never won a game when it mattered. I don’t think posters here whine about State Penn. I think we are puzzled by how they are able to pull in the recruits with an ongoing scandal. I guess these kids grew up as fans and nothing can convince them otherwise and will rationalize their decision to fit their own mindset. I guess their parents are the same way. If you want 100k fans and nationally televised games, then Penn State is on your short list. If you want to be idolized, then another reason. But there are so many other schools that are clean and big time. That’s what I don’t get. What is OBrien telling these kids? There will be some type of sanction or bowl ban. Why go to a program with such short term uncertainty when there are better options out there? Again, could it be the Kool Aid?

Comment by TX Panther 07.09.12 @ 8:21 am

Just for the record I know exactly why these kids are going to Penn State. They will be regarded as the players who stuck with the football program at it’s lowest point and will be hailed as PSU heroes for the rest of their lives.

That and, as I said above, the Penn State brand is probably one of the top five most popular in college football. The play on a big stage; they draw 110,000 per game, both home and sometimes away and there is that long and successful history of PSU football to look back on. Those are strong forces to compete with.

In reality there are a ton of dynamics at work with both PITT and PSU this recruiting season. I just find it ironic that our troubles over the past two years pale in comparison to PSU troubles at present yet our recruiting is the one being impacted the most. I do believe that while the PSU recruits are of the mindset that “I want to be part of solution to PSU’s football problems right now”; PITT’s targets are more like “Yeah, I hear you but you need to show me something before I agree to play for you”

PSU’s 2012 season won’t have any impact on their recruiting this year – it is possible that their slots may be filled before the first snap. However, PITT’s 2012 season, with a new HC, is going to make or break how our recruiting pans out in February.

Comment by Reed 07.09.12 @ 9:36 am

Reed–I am not convinced Pitt’s recruiting is being very impacted for the worse by the coaching comings and goings experienced since Wannstadt’s firing. It looks to me that Pitt will likely wind up in Feb 2013 with a class pretty decent and fairly typical in strength of its average class over the past half-dozen years. it just likely won’t be any better.

They only thing I see in the broader recruiting debate is how mind-boggling to Pitt fans is PSU’s better than the recent past recruiting success so far despite the Sandusky scandal; plus, the fact that, contrary to what Pitt fans expected, Pitt FB recruiting is not benefiting at all from PSU’s troubles.

Comment by pitt1972 07.09.12 @ 9:53 am

It just might be that the departure of Jopa is the best thing that’s happened to Ped State recruiting in the past 15 years.

How many kids in the past looked to unhappy valley and saw a relic of a coach who didn’t visit recruits, was too fragile to coach from the sidelines on gameday and would likely not be around for their senior year?

It could be that a lot of recruits are taking a new look now that there is mostly a fresh coaching staff.

Does that overcome the pedophile thing? I don’t know. But it could be a factor.

Comment by dinosaur 71 07.09.12 @ 3:18 pm

Once those kids attend Penn State, they will be connected to Penn State forever. I, and the rest of the outside/normal world, will make fun of them forever.

Comment by Get the Glory 07.09.12 @ 3:41 pm

I grew up a Pittsburgh fan in all sports, despite living hear (ugh) Cleveland. My dad worked for Republic Steel for 29 years.

I can relate the PSU mentality in Pennsylvania to the way OSU is viewed in Ohio. tOSU is as big as the Cleveland Browns or Cincinnati Reds, maybe bigger. They, along with Michigan, ruled the Big 10 in football for decades. Woody Hayes ran the oh so boring wishbone in the 1970s (one reason tOSU almost always lost the Rose Bowl game to Pac 8 teams who could throw the ball). tOSU is a cult in Ohio, almost everywhere in Ohio. More attention is paid to tOSU than all other college teams in Ohio put together, by a large factor. Earle Bruce was run out of town for being “9-3 Earle” – I would love that at Pitt.

Hayes had to punch an opposing player to be replaced.

I am old enough to know that people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear and ignore what they don’t want to see or hear. The Happy Valley contingent is this way. Freeh and the NCAA will have to take them down, because it will not happen any other way.

Comment by Penguins Fan 07.09.12 @ 4:43 pm

Pitt72, I disagree, it sure has been effected by the troubles over the last year. In the last five years of DW’s recruiting PITT was 17th, 31st, 25th, 8th and 11th – averaging out at 16th which is fantastic for a school our size and in the BE.

Since he was fired we were 38th (currently), 40th and 47th.

Stability in a program makes a huge difference to recruits and their parents.

That is why having a solid season in 2012 is going to be a boost for us going forward – these people want to know that their kids are going to have what drew them to PITT in place for their four years.

Comment by Reed 07.09.12 @ 5:57 pm

Reed–I tend to rate my recruiting classes not on their assigned rank by the service but rather by the average number of stars per recruit. I think this is more meaningful because, IMHO, the services (Scout, Rivals, etc. put far too much emphasis on number of recruits in a class
so that your rating is artificially lowered in years when the 85 ship limit forces you to recruit well under the annual limit of 25.

On the basis of average stars/recruit (according to Scout) over the last ten years Pitt had:

2012–3.11 (only 18 recruits)
2011–2.68
2010–3.21
2009–3.10
2008–3.37
2007–3.38
2006–3.32
2005–2.38
2004–2.33
2003–2.42

Because 2012 at 3.11 stars/recruit was only a class of 18 it wound up as #40. Had it been a class of 25 with the same 3.11 average stars/recruit it would have been in the #20-#25 range instead of #40.

So, for me the only class since the class of 2006 that was really a major drop-off was the #47 2011 class which only averaged 2.68 stars/recruit.

So far the 2013 class is averaging 2.80 (without counting Jarrett and 2 kickers) and I would expect/hope it will go higher after current commits play their senior seasons and the class is added to by LOI day. I am still hopeful it will wind up at >3.00 stars/recruit (at least without counting the kickers) come LOI day which would make it a class fairly consistent in star power with all classes post-2005 except for the 2011 class.

As you say, a solid season on the field in the fall will go a long way to making that happen!

Comment by pitt1972 07.09.12 @ 8:05 pm

The noise you hear is not new life in Happy Valley. It is a death rattle. Yes, the Lion faithful are circling the wagons to rally ’round the brand a protect all that is good. One problem: the reverend Jones is dead. History will confirm on multiple fronts that once a centralized power source is neutralized it will create a huge vacum to be filled by competing vultures, all with different agendas. Do you think JoePa had any enemies at Penn State? Do you think there is anybody up there just waiting to get even for the last 50 years? This will not be a smooth transition to a new culture. It will be multiple warring factions behind the scenes playing the blame game and hiding behind the need for transparency. Look, that whole place up there was run by JoePa and his minions. Nothing, NOTHING, happend without his consent. The Freeh report will validate this. Then, the pendulum will swing and chaos will ensue. Yes the football program will enjoy a short term shot of adrelin, but long term the whole place will change. The only grand experiment they will be writing books about up there is how they shifted endowment money to pay for civil lawsuit settlements. Evantually, that money tree will die. Let’s say they win 10 games this year. That leaves 355 days the only thing Penn State will be in the news for is sex, money and lies. And if you think the drip, drip, drip of the biggest scandal in the history of college sports will not result in irreparable harm to the school and its brand, you are whistling past the graveyard.

Comment by wally 07.09.12 @ 8:56 pm

I agree JoePa did have his share of enemies or people he pissed off in some way over the years. Given the man is now burning in Hell and the living want a get out of jail free card or just want to protect their own names, the dirt will be dished upon the dead. This will get really interesting tomorrow when the report is released. Keep in mind the state, the feds and the ncaa are also conducting their own independent investigations. JoePa will be exposed for the phony we all knew he was and his legacy will be trashed. And all Nitters who lived by his golden gospel will realize their god has forsaken them. Must suck for football and the way of JoePa to define you. I do feel sorry for those zombies.

Comment by TX Panther 07.09.12 @ 10:02 pm

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