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July 6, 2012

Reveiwing Robinson’s Summer Run

Filed under: Basketball,Players — Chas @ 8:49 am

James Robinson has had a productive first half to the summer. As being part of the gold-winning USA U18 squad, he played with a lot of top freshman talent. Robinson was something of a surprise to make the U18 squad. Even acknowledged by the U18 and Florida coach Billy Donovan.

“We weren’t sure we were going to keep him. We cut the team from 25 to 14 and then kept guys around to 12. He was originally on the outside looking in. But once we started practicing we saw that he’s a winner and a great role guy. He’s a typical Pitt player. Jamie [Dixon] will love coaching him. I’m not sure of his impact on the team but people will say, ‘Where did this guy come from?’ The kid is a winner. I liked coaching him. He was the same guy every day.”

If you watched any of the FIBA you saw that Robinson is a very strong kid. He’s decisive and definitely a facilitator as a point guard. He sees the court and knows how to control the tempo. His game is predicated on directing and decisiveness. The more comfortable he is with his teammates and what the team wants/needs the better he is.

He is not a slashing, fast guard. He will not blow past guys on the perimeter. Most of his teammates — and opposing guards looked almost a step faster than him in the U18. He is much more in the mold of Fields and Knight. Guys who ere at their best within the system — on either side of the ball. It made them appear swifter at times because they saw and knew what to do before an opponent. Not a surprise, as even the recruiting sites noted that speed and explosiveness were not his strengths.

There is no question that Robinson is the future leader of Pitt’s basketball team. He’s been on Pitt’s campus a little less than two weeks and wants to be a part of this team. No one thinks it was a coincidence that he was put on the summer league team with Steven Adams, Lamar Patterson and Trey Zeigler. He and Coach Dixon also know he has work to do before he gets to that point.

“Whatever I can do to help the team,” he said, “that’s what I’m going to try to do.”

That is the kind of attitude that coach Jamie Dixon admires, especially when it comes attached to a highly motivated, top-60, four-star guard.

“He knows he’s got a lot of work to do,” Dixon said, watching Robinson, Adams and fellow Class of 2012 freshman Chris Jones at the Pro-Am Summer League on Monday in Greentree.

“He realizes he’s got to play the same way he plays and he doesn’t have to change. Just play solid and make his teammates better.”

Robinson has no problem with that. One of the benefits of being on the U18 squad was playing with a lot of big men. Getting more work — at what was essentially the college level — in feeding big men inside. And doing it in a much more competitive set of games than in just the summer league. The summer league and the limited team and individual practices at Pitt will help help build the chemistry with his Pitt teammates. Especially Steven Adams.

Robinson finds his teammates with regularity. In his next two summer league games, he totaled 18 points, 11 rebounds and six assists, and only turned the ball over once.

That type of assist-to-turnover ratio should fit well into the Panthers offense and should also benefit the 7-foot Adams.

“I’m going to need Steve, and the team’s going to need Steve,” Robinson said.

“Hopefully they can rely on me for something throughout the season.”

With Robinson playing summer games with three presumptive starters, it is obvious that he will have a significant role this year. How significant the minutes, and how big an impact will depend on how well Robinson grasps playing both ends for Dixon and how Travon Woodall does once he recovers from the surgery to repair the sports hernia.





all of the above with the hopeful added benefit of attracting his 4-star C/F high school teammate

Comment by wbb 07.06.12 @ 9:19 am

… or 5 star according to Scout.com

link to pittsburgh.scout.com

Comment by wbb 07.06.12 @ 9:21 am

I like the sounds of this guy – he’s 6’8″ and 255 lb – he’d be a great addition if Adams stays for a second season! Sounds like a DeJuan Blair kinda banger:

“A true old school center, Anya is comfortable in the paint and likes to throw his body around down low. Anya is a good rebounder and is very strong. He has extremely long arms which makes up for being a little bit short. Still needs to run the floor better and show the desire to be great at all times. With that said, Anya is one of the most productive players in the class down low.”

Comment by dish 07.06.12 @ 9:25 am

Robinson has looked good with the ball. The concern with him for this season is clearly on defense. His lack of speed and explosiveness have been very obvious in that regard in Greentree.

On Monday night, the very first play of the game, former Pitt walk on Griffin Abel (6’4″), took two dribbles at the three point line and blew by Robinson like he was standing still (he was). Robinson switched men and was gaurding former Pitt walk on, Nick Rivers, who also took him of the dribble repeatedly with ease. Robinson then switched to guard 47 year old Tracy Foster (Former UAB, NBA), who proceeded to bust a couple threes over him.

I tried to watch Jamie’s reactions, but he was feverishly working the Blackberry, probably texting “Robinson’s ball defense OMG SMH” to Knight.

On the flip side, Adams and Zeigler have been the two toughest defenders in the league this summer.

Adams combination of agility, quickness, fundementals and length allow him to be very patient on defense. He blocks and alters a ton of shots WITHOUT FOULING. He moves his feet laterally very well. He is able to square up on much smaller, quicker players and stay in front of them. He did a very credible job of defending against former Pitt legend Chevy Troutman.

And Zeigler is a beast. He did the best job of keeping Gilbert Brown out of the lane of any player I’ve seen in four years(other than Brown himself). He is also tall enough to contest shots and rebound.

Presuming both Adams and Zeigler are starters (30 minute men), Pitt will be MUCH, MUCH improved on defense this season.

Comment by boubacar aw 07.06.12 @ 9:38 am

well .. at least with Adams, both of our PGs (neither known for their defense) can overplay their man

Comment by wbb 07.06.12 @ 9:45 am

correct and Zeigler can gaurd the tougher player in the back court. I think he has the athleticism to bother the likes of Siva and Wayns.

Jamie can hide one defensive liablity. Last he couldn’t hide five of them!!!!

Comment by boubacar aw 07.06.12 @ 9:53 am

wbb – great comment…last year not only could our guards NOT overplay, but they had to try to do 2 jobs on defense and cover for others. That never works….ever…

Comment by Dan 72 07.06.12 @ 10:26 am

@wbb, dish–I hope we still have a shot at Anaya–would love to see him at Pitt.

Unfortunately, “crying” Crean’s hiring of one of Anaya’s coaches (AAU?) makes it doubtful he goes any where except Indiana.

Comment by pitt1972 07.06.12 @ 10:43 am

Nobody believes that Pitt is going to get Anya so forget about that dream right now.

Comment by Mike 07.06.12 @ 12:40 pm

I think we’re going to have Gilbert as our future Center. Which isnt terrible if the rest of the cast is playing well.

If there is any solace the rumor on Anya is that he plays half-assed a lot of the time. Which with his size ability is understandable but could be a drag on the team. Its no sure thing that he’ll be a DEjuan Blair.

Zeigler as elite defender could be the biggest thing that happens this coming year (other than Adams dominating).

Comment by PantherP 07.06.12 @ 1:18 pm

Anya and Robinson are friends and teamates

Comment by 63Team 07.06.12 @ 1:19 pm

off topic but …. once again Zeise has been MIA but comes out with some interesting tidbits

link to blogs.sites.post-gazette.com

Until Anya commits to IU, I will remain hopeful

Comment by wbb 07.06.12 @ 1:37 pm

boubacar, thanks much for both “being there” and your quality reporting. When Abel and Rivers are able to blow by a heralded recruit we’ve got to temper our expectations.

Comment by steve1 07.06.12 @ 1:43 pm

I couldn’t resist Googling Boubacar Aw. Here’s the latest on him.

link to starnewsvarsity.com

I wish him the best.

Comment by steve1 07.06.12 @ 1:54 pm

Woodall and Gibbs always were beat to the basket and because of their size simply shot over. I am not dobting the report on Robinson but if he was so bad I doubt if he would have made the U.S. team and started for 4 years at DeMatha.
More importantly I read a report from two on scene people on Adams defense of Chevy Troutman and they said Trouman ate up Adams and spit him out. That Adams could not stop Troutman.
The next day I read that Adams did very well defending Troutman limiting his ability to get clean to the basket.

My question is would Adams even be guarding Troutman. Would the points Troutman scored in the paint after he beat his man, the forward.

My point is that on defense we focus on the man with the ball we often fail to see quick blind side picks and failure to switch or fight through the pick because of lack of communication in pick up games. You can look awfully bad oense in a pick up game when your on your own with no help.

Often in a game defenders play to the stronger of the opponent to force him in a direction of play up tight if the opponent is not a good outside shooter expecting help. Greentree is not a good measure for defensive abilities of backcourt or else Patterson and Wright would not be putting up 20’s each game.

Comment by drw 07.06.12 @ 3:33 pm

drw,

Dear god you live in a world of hyperbolic black and white.

No one. NO ONE said Robinson was bad. He is a very, very promising player. He does, however, have flaws. His speed/athleticism is one of them. It has been observed. It has been noted by recruiting services. It’s there. It could be seen in the U18 games.

It doesn’t mean people are down on him. It is recognizing part of his game that is weak and has to be worked on to improve. It is one of the reasons he shouldn’t be presumed to be a 25-30 minute a day player from game one of his freshman year. And when it doesn’t happen, it isn’t because Coach Dixon has some favoritism towards upperclassmen or Woodall.

Comment by Chas 07.06.12 @ 4:00 pm

if anything, Dixon’s favoritism is defense

Comment by wbb 07.06.12 @ 4:31 pm

It just doesn’t seem right to hear from drw without an update on Mr Taylor. Boubacar – any reports on Dante?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 07.06.12 @ 5:52 pm

Hey Chas thanks for the psycho-analysis I will be sure to mention it to my therapist. You just showed what a hypocrite you asking for civility in the blog. Also thanks to marcus for his invaluable insights.
Remember the rules of the blog if you have a different opinion tell your dog do not write it here because your dog is more tolerant and considerate to others opinions.
Enjoy calling each other pin heads

Comment by drw 07.06.12 @ 9:44 pm

To Chas and marcus I make a personal apology. To the others that have found one good use of the blog to vent their anger at my opinions I also apologize. I just realized and accept my true role on this blog that of the counter opinion.

I am argumentative and opinionated. Like most of you I have no real insights to my opinion they are simply my beliefs (beliefs are the lowest form of thought).

Not for my sake can I leave this blog but for those who so vehmently disagree with me that they look forward to my blog with a viciousness reserved only for me. I am not grandizing I counted throufh many blogs and mine by far are the ones that a personal negative reference is made.

You need me to stir the pot.

Comment by drw 07.06.12 @ 10:04 pm

I would agree that Woodall is not the greatest defensive point guard in the country, but can we cut the kid some slack for last year? My god, he played with a sports hernia that’s still healing. He’s certainly not as bad on the ball as Gibbs. If anything, he’s too tough for he and his slight frame’s own good.

I’m just saying, if Pitt needs Robinson to play thirty minutes a game, something has gone terrible wrong. Woodall is a pretty good player.

Comment by Denny 07.06.12 @ 10:47 pm

drw, there’s no need to apologize to me, I disagree with your opinion on Taylor, but it’s nothing personal. If my counter opinion on Taylor has offended you, then it is I who apologize, but I still think he just wasn’t all he was made out to be.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 07.06.12 @ 11:20 pm

@63 Team & wbb–On landing Anya–I am not 100% convinced Pitt has no chance. I just think the chance is small. I thought Pitt had a great chance until Crean hired that coach and I can’t imagine he made that hire for any reason other than he believes it guarantees he lands Anya for Indiana.

Comment by pitt1972 07.07.12 @ 7:34 am

I appreciate the opinions or beliefs. I’ve learned a lot about the game by reading these posts over the years. Drw is no joe d. That dude needs to be blacklisted and banned.

Big news will break on JoePa next week. Bowl bans, loss of scholies and possible death penalty on the table.

Comment by TX Panther 07.07.12 @ 9:19 am

Tx Panther, is that opinion or fact?

Comment by wbb 07.07.12 @ 9:54 am

I never understood how people get so upset over a blog…Frustrated, yes. Upset and resorted to name calling, idiotic.

Kepp up the good work Chas and Reed and all of Pittblather.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 07.07.12 @ 10:15 am

@DRW, you will now say I’m picking on you. That is your right.

With sincere and utmost respect, and I’m sorry to say this, but, the truth must be told.

You are over the top, hyper sensitive. I know you will say I am picking on you because of this.

I’m not, that is your personality, and we all have different ones. However, a blog may not be the best place to be if you are a sensitive person.

We all go back and forth. Chas’ comment “you live in a hyperbolic world of black and white”.

Then you say he is a hypocrite for not showing the same civility he demands??

If that is your idea of uncivil, I’d hate for you to work where I do!!

How is that comment a lack of civility? This is a bunch of football fans and basketball fans, that banter back and forth. I’ve been told I’m nuts on many occaisions about football and basketball.

I give it back a few times about my opinion and banter back and forth…………then move on.

It’s what we all do.

How many times I was bashed for supporting Graham (until the final fiasco when I saw the light). I always support a new coach for at least a couple years till I see what he can do.

Many of us get bashed for yelling about Sunseri, the other group gets bashed for defending him.

I got a few shots from people when I suggested that Gibbs just doesn’t seem like a happy kid. Never seen him smile in 4 years. A lot agreed, some said how do you know, that’s just his game face.

When you put opinions out there, others are going to have differing ones.

And sometimes people will say, “you’re crazy, you don’t know what you’re taling about”.

It doesn’t mean they hate you, it’s a blog, there is banter and people will disagree with you.

I hope you keep posting, please, just stop with the posts about getting picked on. It really stands out from all of the other posts and makes people cringe.

If anything, tell someone to go to hell, tell me to go to hell, just stop with the picking on me posts.

Now, I’m gonna help you. Don’t even respond to my post. Just move on, post away your opinion on Pitt football and basketball and enjoy.

Comment by Dan 07.07.12 @ 12:04 pm

@DRW, great example. Marcus of Schaumburg’s comment was hysterical. It was true. You do talk about Taylor. You should be laughing about it though.

Join us though, don’t fight us.

I tend to ramble, and have been told about it on many occaisions.

Hell, I’m rambling now.

I also talk about expansionocalype a lot. How many comments I’ve had “oh no, not more expansion talk”.

Chill out man. No one on here is after you.

Laugh at yourself. I laugh at myself. I know I talk about expansionopalypse and sometimes post comments that challenge “War and Peace”.

This should be an enjoyable place for people, but being a blog, you have to realize people sometimes take jabs.

Let it roll off your back and keep posting.

I hope to hear from you about Mark Myers this fall!!! ha ha You should be laughing, it’s a joke dude!!

Laughing with you, not at you.

Comment by Dan 07.07.12 @ 12:12 pm

drw, FWIW, I respect your opinion as much as many on this site … and a bit surprised that you took it so personally.

Heck, there has been a handful of times when I thought it was me against the world in going against the popular opinion of this site …. and in the end, have been right (not benching Stull in favor of Tino, and Fraud being a snake oil saleman, etc) more times than others are willing to admit. I was ridiculed last Jan when I expressed my concern about Fraud but kept plugging away.

Comment by wbb 07.07.12 @ 12:21 pm

Amen to Dan & wbb.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 07.07.12 @ 2:23 pm

The JoePa thing is based on what others say on other blogs and boards. The shit hits the fan next week. Nitter nation may be committing suicide once they finally realize the Grand Experiment was one big lie.

I will always offer opinions but may introduce facts if I get off my lazy ass and do some research or just stumble upon a useful link. My opinion on Pitt basketball is that they will be a much better team next year. They will make the big dance and will get to the Sweet 16. Dixon will use last year as motivation and becomes a better coach as a result of learning from mistakes and parlays the pressure of getting to the Final 4 into a Final 4. How does that sound for wishful thinking?

Tino still sucks but should be much better this year.

Give Chryst a chance but his recruiting doesn’t excite me yet

JoePa poops his pants. That is my one fact.

Comment by TX Panther 07.07.12 @ 5:22 pm

Good stuff, Tex.

Comment by steve1 07.07.12 @ 6:29 pm

@Tx Panther–You wrote “Dixon will use last year as motivation and becomes a better coach as a result of learning from mistakes . . .”

IMHO, Dixon only made two mistakes: (1) He failed to recruit a quality post player to replace Gary McGhee prior to last year; (2) He recruited a “head case” PF named Khem Birch. Both were recruiting and not coaching failures.

All else last season was the perfect storm of injuries and the added lineup disruptions they caused–despite what some fans may believe.

So, there isn’t much Dixon needs to learn. If Adams is close to being as good a post player as Gary McGhee was in 2010-11, all will be well; otherwise, not so much, and any hypothetical improvement in Dixon’s coaching will have had little to do with it either way–his coaching was just fine last season (perhaps even excellent) given last season’s circumstances, IMO.

Feel free to disagree, of course.

Comment by pitt1972 07.07.12 @ 8:42 pm

pitt1972, we’ll see about Birch. But I can say this: Last year he certainly wasn’t assimilated.

Comment by steve1 07.07.12 @ 9:15 pm

@steve1, ya but how are the Rangers gonna do??

@TX, you always have good stuff, and I believe we mostly agree, sometimes down to a tee, so no wonder I like your stuff.

Ditto your whole comment. I’m probably a little happier with his recruting than you, being his first 6 months, but, I can see how people would question a bit too.

I’m hoping he’s a heck of a coach, I have a good feeling about him.

Pitt hoops, I’m probably over-pumped, need to tone myself down a bit early, but, in the end, I see some great things for these guys.

Way early on this, but I’m hoping Adams will stay for at least a second year, to have him going into the ACC.

@Bowling Green, thanks, and another one I’m usually on the same page with and enjoy his posts.

**ps** don’t anyone tell me to go to hell tonight, because it’s right on my back porch!!!!

Holy smokes, I thought when it got over 100 degrees it usually a dry hear.

Holy swampfest batman!!!!

Comment by Dan 07.07.12 @ 9:41 pm

Hey, guy at work today, a big guy, about 6’2″, well over 300lbs, goes outside for about 5 minutes, comes back in, and announces to everyone…..

“this is a ******in fat mans nightmare”!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 07.07.12 @ 9:44 pm

Dan, we need a goal scorer. Ovechkin? Sid? Malkin? Hey, it’s NYC, the Yankees pay the big bucks why not the Rangers?

Re: the heat. “I’m a fair guy, but this ****ing heat is making me absolutely crazy.”

Comment by steve1 07.08.12 @ 7:28 am

@Steve1–Birch’s emotional immaturity and handlers–not Dixon’s fault in any way, IMHO. If a coach babys a spoiled kid he may lose everyone else. It was widely reported that Birch was a loner and didn’t get along with his teammates. That tells me almost all I need to know about Birch. He was just a bad fit and never should have been recruited.

Comment by pitt1972 07.08.12 @ 9:03 am

It’s a two way street, pitt’72…his teammates didn’t get along with him as well. There were some cranky players on the squad.

Whoever’s fault I’ll say it again, Birch wasn’t assimilated.

Comment by steve1 07.08.12 @ 9:08 am

Dixons game management and use of players in certain situations is what I have a beef with. I like him as a coach but he can be stubborn at times. Hopefully his recruiting adapts to the ACC level of play and he learns to let his players make mistakes in non critical situations so they learn as well. Pitt is fortunate to have him as coach.

Comment by TX Panther 07.08.12 @ 9:31 am

@Steve1–when its one guy who doesn’t get along with his peer group and pretty much everyone else in that group gets along; then, it’s reasonable to conclude the overwhelming majority of the fault lies with that individual and not the peer group.

@TXPanther–you are entitled to your opinion. However, that Dixon retards his younger players learning curve by not allowing them to make mistakes is simply myth, IMO.

Players don’t learn by making mistakes that go uncorrected. That only leads to mistakes becoming habitual. Rather, they learn from their mistakes by having them identified for them so they can correct them going forward.

Comment by pitt1972 07.08.12 @ 8:14 pm

Steve1 – Have only seen Taylor play once this summer. Nothing earth-shattering either way. He did play forward. Didn’t see anything new in his game. DRW may have some insights. I didn’t see him step on a scale, but he looked to be about the same size as last season.

drw – I think there was a question somewhere in there? Chevy Troutman played center for his South Hills Audi team because he was the only non-guard who showed up. Kyle Goldcamp, who normally plays center was not there. So yes, Chevy and Adams guarded each other for most of the game. Neither player dominated the other. Chevy had a few good drives to the hoop and Adams did well inside. But I stick by my comment that Adams did a “credible” job defending the much quicker, smaller forward.

On Robinson, both Rivers and Abel were able to beat him off the dribble going to their strong hand (right) without any ball screens.

I am an unabashed fan of the summer league. It gives some insight into the individual players games. It is not the be all and end all in terms of predicting contributions in the upcoming season. Sometimes it does (Blair before his freshman year dominated and it carried over to the season) and sometimes it doesn’t (John Johnson last summer). The red flags that were raised about Birch last summer turned out to be worse than imagined.

This summer the play of Adams, Zeigler, Patterson and Zanna (and to a lesser degree Wright) have given me some optimism that Pitt has a chance to be much better this year.

Comment by boubacar aw 07.09.12 @ 9:18 am

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