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February 29, 2012

It’s a little up in the air right now. I’m spending chunks of the evening looking at cars. Getting close to a decision and  all of that. The interesting thing has been the lack of hard-selling I’ve faced. A lot more laid-back, sof-sell approach than previous experience and expected. Maybe it’s the prevalence of the internet and information. Maybe it’s just that most of the slick, hard-selling used car salesmen are now coaching football in Arizona.

So, I am more likely than not to be late for watching the St. John’s-Pitt game tonight at 7pm on ESPN2.

If I get back with enough time to spare, I’ll pop in the liveblog stuff and we’ll give it a go at the last minute. Otherwise, this is the open thread for the night.





Game is on ESPNU

Comment by Tony C 02.29.12 @ 5:11 pm

This is where I see Pitt making its last stand. Not because of what is technically at stake ( a winning season, slim NIT hopes), but because it really is the last time the seniors play at home. This occurs without fanfare, family, etc…

Too late this team is finding an identity, but it has. The under classism are the new leaders. I look for good games from Moore and Taylor. Gibbs and Nas are lame ducks.

I see Pitt winning.

Comment by SFPitt 02.29.12 @ 5:53 pm

I’m here at the game. And 2 out of 6 Zoo sections are filled with students. I know it’s been a rough year, but that is pathetic.

Comment by ECH 02.29.12 @ 7:25 pm

I believe it is mid-terms (Spring Break is next week) I know that might not be an excuse for many, but with the way this season has gone, it does lose some importance. I gave away my tickets for tonight to spread the wealth.

Comment by Pendlum 02.29.12 @ 7:29 pm

Is john johnson hurt?

Comment by Big Bill 02.29.12 @ 7:30 pm

Nevermind

Comment by Big Bill 02.29.12 @ 7:34 pm

I almost didn’t know who the heck Zanna was when he came in with the shaved head!

Comment by Pendlum 02.29.12 @ 7:39 pm

Why is the game not on 93.7 The Fan?!

Comment by CBC 02.29.12 @ 7:46 pm

For anyone interested, you can listen to the game here -> link to wpts.pitt.edu

Comment by CBC 02.29.12 @ 8:06 pm

So Pitt has a 20-point lead with about 10 minutes left, and they let SJU come back within 13? Step on their throats, for cryin’ out loud!

Comment by Lou 02.29.12 @ 8:43 pm

I blame dixon for the lack of playing time for jj moore..this kid should have been playing lots of minutes all year

Comment by pitt-for-life 02.29.12 @ 8:47 pm

Final: Pitt 89, St. John’s 69.

Not a bad way to finish the season at the Pete. Some positives to build upon for the future.

Comment by Lou 02.29.12 @ 9:05 pm

Pitt’s offense keys off its defense and tonight they played defense with intensity. Do it again against UConn and maybe we can win a few in MSG.

Hail to Pitt.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.29.12 @ 9:17 pm

Well, that was the Panther basketball team I”ve been waitinf for. Tonight Pitt looked like—Pitt. Actually I hope we go to the NIT and WIN IT ALL. Congratulations to the Hoopsters for staying the course and, finally putting it all together, Rev. George in Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 02.29.12 @ 9:59 pm

It was nice to see them play better and get a badly needed win. It was also nice to see J.J. Moore continuing to play well. After the big run in the 2nd half, they started turning the ball over. They really some awful turnovers. The Panthers need to keep their composure when the other team begins to press them. It was good game to finish off the home season with. Let’s see if they can get few more.

Comment by Justinian 02.29.12 @ 10:20 pm

Moore, Taylor, and Patterson were all impressive and confident – peaking at the right time of the year.

Comment by San Diego Panther 69 02.29.12 @ 10:52 pm

Watched the game at home while painting, so didn’t watch it as closely as I’d like. From what I could tell though, looks like the 2 guys with the most upside (JJ Moore, Dante Taylor) played the best.

Have to say, I’ve been hard on Taylor, but its good to see what he can do. I’ve been up on JJ Moore most of the season and after seeing him be basically the best player on the team for four straight games I have to wonder what the heck Dixon was doing keeping him off the floor so much. He adds too much to deny him time.

Really happy Gibbs snapped out of it for his last home game (3 good years of Gibbs still outweighs one bad year, in my mind). And good to see Gibbs and Nas go out at home with a win.

Hail to Pitt.

Comment by PantherP 02.29.12 @ 11:26 pm

Thank you for continuing to fight to the end gentlemen. I believe they win on saturday as UCONN is just not very good at all. Who knows maybe we got some garden magic in us for next week. If they play like they did tonight and cut out some of the turnovers, anything is possible. HAIL TO PITT!!!

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.01.12 @ 12:52 am

Pitt could have won 8 more games if they could handle the press. Take the number of turnovers in the baccourt multiply by 2 and it indicates one of the major reasons teams score on them and shot a high percentage. Is it the coaching or the guards. Remember your junior high instructions for beating a press:

1. Inbound the basketball quickly after a made basket. The best asset you have is time. If the defense can’t set up a strong press, then you can easily inbound the basketball and blow right by them.
Pitt is notoriusly slow at getting the ball in after a basket. One problem is rather than having the person who gets the ball after the basket make throw in they always wait to give it to a guard. This allows the other team to set up the press. Also the inbound player seems not to understand he can run the baseline if need be.

2 Set screens, freeing themselves from their men. On offense, there are 4 other players without the ball. Two screens should be set so that 2 offensive players break free of their men and are open to receive the basketball. Screening away from the ball should provide an outlet pass.

3. Avoid dribbling toward the sidelines (Woodall the master of this). A popular defensive trap tries to force the dribbler to the sidelines. Two defensive players then descend on the offensive player and trap in a triangle (using the sideline as the third man). If you stay in the center of Look up the floor to your teammates to break the full-court press. The offense has a huge advantage in that the defense is spread apart over the whole floor.
4. Hustle down the floor quickly. Pitt is very tenative attacking the press. They become cautious with the basketball trying to dribble through traps, biggest mistake (Woodall)

5. Breaking the press requires the offense to do move the basketball up the floor quickly with crisp clean passes not slow dribbling. Even when Pitt gets past half court they have used almost the entire 10 seconds.

6. Make 3 passes with limited dribbling, something Pitt never does, you’re putting your team in a great position on the offensive end of the floor. A ball traveling through the air will always move faster than a player dribbling up the floor.

It is frustrating to watch turnover after turnover The reason Pitt scores so few points is too often they never get the ball beyond half-court. Also this is why they have given up so many points this year and the shooting percentage has been so high against them.

Woodall and Gibbs are both terrible ballhandlers. James Robinson is an outstanding ballhandler but unless Pitt changes its approach to the press even Robinson can not significantly reduce the turnovers.

Consider giving away 10 to 20 poinst per game and losing the opportunity to score 10 or 20 more a game. The season would have been much different.
I blame this on the coaching because Pitt has always been susceptible to the press regardless of their guards.

Comment by drw 03.01.12 @ 1:57 am

Ben Howland is being crucified at UCLA and by an upcoming SI article. Damn… Sipping wine one day and crushing grapes the next! Sounds like Howlands days may be numbered.

link to cnnsi.com

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 03.01.12 @ 1:58 am

Sports are more fun when you win. I called it with the 1st post. I’ll give myself an “atta boy”.

Comment by SFPitt 03.01.12 @ 5:31 am

atta boy-squared, SF

Comment by steve1 03.01.12 @ 7:29 am

Only 11 post-game comments … Pitt must have won

Comment by wbb 03.01.12 @ 8:10 am

I realize that SJ had little inside presence, but that was the first time all year Taylor exploded to the hoop, and he did it several times. Wonder if physically he’s just feeling better these last few games. Sure seems like it.

It will be interesting to see if he can drop a little weight, add some upper body strength, and make a go of it at PF next year.

As much as some of the players have disappointed this year, and even with the Birch fiasco and Woodall injury, it’s hard not to come back to some serious coaching missteps that really derailed this season: Moore and Gilbert’s lack of playing time, keeping Gibbs at point in Woodall’s absence, the poor approach to breaking a press, etc.

I wasn’t expecting a fantastic season by any stretch, but I think it’s safe to say that the coaching, more so than the players, is the reason Pitt is not in the big dance this year.

That said, good to see them go out with a strong home win and hopefully some of positives that we’ve seen in the last few games will carry over to the BET and ’12-’13 season.

Comment by Carmen 03.01.12 @ 8:16 am

Moore did not really earn more playing time until late this season — he shot dreadfully, did not attack the basket, and played mediocre defense. He had opportunities, but early on, when the season still had a bit of “promise,” you can’t just play him for the sake of playing him. Give him and the staff credit for now displaying growth in all of those areas, as well as bringing energy to the floor at all times.

Comment by JW 03.01.12 @ 9:57 am

Purely speculative here…let’s say that somehow, Pitt finds itself playing in MSG on Saturday night, March 10th. How did they get there, and what happens in that game?

Comment by Lou 03.01.12 @ 10:20 am

DRW Great post!!! This team does not value the ball and can not break a press. Always keep someone in the middle of the floor, Don’t pick up your dribble on the sideline at half court. This is taught in Rec ball. The whole team needs to get in the weight room and get strong with the ball.

Good Luck next week

Comment by BE Nupe 85 03.01.12 @ 10:38 am

If any one watched the game you will note that all of Taylor’s baskets came when he was facing the hoop and not with his back to it. He is simply not a center and should not have had to be one. I just wonder how far he would have progressed at the PF positon. I understand that it was a need thing but he should have beengiven time at pf last year when we had a true center. Next year will be interesting.

JJ is kind of a loose cannon but a talented one. He can flat out play but was held back because of his d and because everytime he took a misguided shot he was pulled. With more of an opportunity early he may havebeenplaying this way two months ago.

Does anyone know why we called a timeout last night after making 8 basets in a row?

Comment by JP 03.01.12 @ 10:42 am

Lou – given the injuries to Nas and Travon, I think if they make it that far they will be beaten up, sad to say. And Taylor’s knees as well. Don’t take me wrong, I’ll certainly root for them, but I bet the lack of endurance will kick in.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.01.12 @ 10:48 am

If Pitt somehow makes the BET Championship game it will be because they played well defensively and the turnovers were kept to a minimum. They also must continue to rebound very well, and Moore and Patterson must play well. I’d guess the outcome of that game would depend on the matchup.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.01.12 @ 10:52 am

Dixon has been calling those timeouts for years. I have never understood it. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve asked, “What? We called that time out?”. Jamie is a PITT run killer. And sure as clockwork, the other team regroups, and goes on a mini run of their own after the timeout.

Comment by boubacar aw 03.01.12 @ 10:54 am

Best game JJ has played. He let the game come to him. Now if he can drop the salute everytime he scores a three & keep his focus PITT will have the 3 spot solved for the next few years.

Comment by DC33 03.01.12 @ 11:13 am

JP. Gary McGhee never made a shot with his back to the basket, and for that matter, neither di Blair (at least not very many.)

The last true center Pitt had that posted low with back to the basket was Aaron Gray. And haven’t seen enough of Steve Adams to know if he will do the same.

Comment by wbb 03.01.12 @ 11:25 am

One more game in the books, one game closer to the end of the Nasir Robinson regime / flying turnover machine circus.

Give the guy extra credit for having grit, guts and heart. But as a power forward, he’d make a good pastry chef. A 6′-3 PF (not to mention, one playing on a bad wheel) in the Big East is like a pork-chop to hungry wolves.

Did anyone else notice: last night for the first time I can recall this year, Jamie Dixon played major minutes with Taylor at C and Zanna at PF. And that’s when Pitt zoomed out from a tie to the big lead we wouldn’t give up.

See? It’s not that complicated. Playing CBB with a college-sized (as iopposed to high-school sized) line-up is a good idea. Dunno why it never occurred to Jamie Dixon before now.

Guess he doesn’t read my posts on the various Pitt blogs, I’ve been begging for this all year.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.01.12 @ 11:32 am

wbb
What I meant was that to play center you play with your back to the basket. A true center with his back to the basket almost has eyes in the back of his head and knows exactly where the hoop is at all times. Alot of players cannot adapt to that. Blair was a master of getting the ball with his back to the basket and making things happen. Taylor cannot do that. McGhee and Gray also looked more comfotable with their back to the basket. The point was that some players just cannot play that way and I think both Taylor and Zannna have problems with their backs to the basket and would be better facing it instead of posting up.

Comment by JP 03.01.12 @ 11:52 am

FWIW, I have seen Taylor post low (with his back to the basket) plenty of time ths, but they never feed them … all this team has done the entire year is dribble and pass on the perimeter, or occasionally feed Nasir in the high post.

Comment by wbb 03.01.12 @ 12:34 pm

Thanks for the squared atta boy Steve. Always good to be recognized by ones peers.

Kick Calhoun’s ass.

Comment by SFPitt 03.01.12 @ 1:13 pm

The first mistake that brought down the house this year was the inability to recruit a true center since McGhee 3 years ago. They did not have to be a 3 star or above, but someone who played the position in high school and had brawn to play in the BE (Gary McGhee’s clone).

Taylor could of played the 4 at his ideal weight of 220-225, not 240 and probably been the player he was projected to be. I hope Dixon does not ruin his last possiblitty at the NBA and start him at the 5 and then share time with Adams, another Jamie boner. This is a major problem he has unlike the top coaches, letting his better players make mistakes and learn from them rather than 1 minute on the court the hook and the deflated confidence. If he did that to Woodall and Robinson they would play 5 minutes a game. For every point they score they give up 4 by turnovers or defensive mismatches.

Dixon needs a coach who can get these kids to break their terrible high school habits. The beauty of Adams is he did not learn the game in America taht is why he is destroying the best centers in our Prep and high schools. Also James Robinson is coming from a high school program that is better coached than Pitt’s. He has developed his fundamentals let’s hope he does not have to waste a year playing behind a street player like Woodall.

Next years lineup could be among the top 10 easily with good coaching.
C Adams
SF Taylor
Small Forward Moore
Shooting Guard Patterson, Johnson or other Johnson Defense Wright since we have enough offensive power.
PG Robinson

Comment by drw 03.01.12 @ 1:19 pm

Posted this before, I coached and played in Greenburgh. Coached against some of NY’s best, coached against Gus Williams right after he won NBA Championship and MVP award. Have followed the league for decades. Taylor was one of the best players and kids to come out of that region. Kid has regressed and you kow why. This kid can hit the short jumper, likes to attack with speed for rebounds and put backs facing the hoop from 5-10 feet out. He’s a PF who needs a big bodied center. Shame a different coach didn’t have him. He coud have been a dynamic PF with Gary at center, Brown at SF, Brad & Gibbs backcourt. No wonder Birch left.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.01.12 @ 10:17 pm

I’ll take the 10 years of winning vs. possibly a guy playing the wrong position and a headcase that didn’t get coddled enough.

Comment by Dan 03.02.12 @ 12:07 pm

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