Lots of chatter of verbal agreements and things behind the scenes, but no actual, direct statements, spun press releases announcing anything. Heck, the Big 12 has even delayed their schedule once more.
The issues of WVU leaving the Big East for the Big 12 appear relatively settled. Just the details need to be resolved.
So, in lieu of anything in particular, a grab-bag of related stuff tied to expansiopocolypse that I found interesting.
Let’s start with the hilarious McConnell-Manchin feud in the US Senate. I think very little of either of them. The one thing I will say, reading that piece, is it does more to benefit DickRod than anyone else. DickRod has long claimed of interference while he was at WV from then Gov. Manchin as playing a role in his decision to leave. Astounding as it seems, DickRod is seeing his credibility improve thanks to Manchin’s antics.
Manchin — I suppose like most politicians — is a bit of a name-dropping ass as he shows in this story where he tries to answer the questions raised by the story of the feud.
First there is the anguish for which he spoke for all of West Virginia when the Big 12 delayed by a couple days taking WVU back in November that sparked the feud:
Manchin said the delay should not have happened.
‘We went through two and a half days of agony,” he said. “And just think if it would have gone the other way – it would have been very hurtful, because you know very well it’s not just about a football game or football conference. In our state, it’s like a rejection.”
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“I’m sure that they were probably rubbed wrong on this, but this is a personal thing – we’ve got more important things to work on,” he said.
Well, more important things now that WVU is heading to the Big 12. And definitely more important things until the next time Sen. Manchin can flex his political muscle with WVU so he can be BMOC.
Then there is the lovely way in which he makes clear how much WVU was trying to get out of the Big East, and how the Big 12 was the fallback position.
“I thought we could have been in the SEC,” Manchin said. “I talked to my dear friend Nick Saban about that, and, like me, he said, ‘I would like West Virginia in the SEC,’ and we were working toward that.”
That effort proved unsuccessful, though no one talked publicly about it last fall.
“They chose Missouri instead, and then you never heard a thing else about it,” Manchin said.
And I’m guessing most of WVU’s athletic department — and the legal team that was fighting the Big East lawsuits — would have preferred not to have a US Senator confirm that WVU was indeed, desperately trying to get out of the Big East. Not that the Big 12 invited them as they claimed.
This blog is going to miss the low-hanging fruit of Hoopie behavior.
Now, back to West Virginia’s conditional settlement with the Big East. We all know the broad outlines. $11 million from WVU. $9 million from the Big 12/member schools. Here’s an additional wrinkle.
At least some of that $9 million, however, is expected to be in the form of a loan that West Virginia will have to pay back, probably through reduced shares in Big 12 revenue sharing.
West Virginia is already on a gradual revenue sharing track with the Big 12 as part of its membership agreement. The school will receive a 50 percent share in the first year, rising to 67 percent in the second year, 85 percent in the third year and 100 percent in the fourth year.
Looks like WVU isn’t getting out of the Big East that cheaply.
The departure of West Virginia, though, still leaves the Big East with the scheduling issue. Pressure seems to be growing to use a chunk of the settlement money from WVU to help pay Boise’s way out of the MWC a year earlier. The MWC by-laws actually allow it based on a formula of revenue and BCS standings. Something Boise is quietly in favor of doing. And, by the way, is there a greater reflection of the Big East’s overall pathetic nature in that it will have to pay the incoming member’s exit fee to get to the Big East — and Boise knows it.
The Big East and West Virginia are finalizing their terms of separation. Published reports indicate the Mountaineers’ exit will cost $20 million — with West Virginia’s new league, the Big 12, kicking in $9 million of that total.
Coincidentally (or not), it will cost Boise State between $7.5 million and $9 million to leave the Mountain West this year. A final amount won’t be known until the end of the school year when the Mountain West determines its per-school distribution of revenue.
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Just tell the Big 12 to send its money straight to the Mountain West. And since the SEC is going to pay the Big 12 for taking Texas A&M and Missouri, it’s really just SEC money that ends up filling the Mountain West coffers, via the Big 12 and Big East.
Boise State should squeeze as much out of the Big East as possible, asking its new league to cover all of its moving expenses (including what it would owe the WAC to take its non-football sports a year early) and, perhaps, waiving some of its $2 million entrance fee.
The WAC is prepared to accommodate Boise State for all non-football sports in 2012-13, a league source said, removing one big hurdle to the move.
One issue, though is how to schedule Boise St. The easy way to do it would be to slot Boise into WVU’s spot. That would send Syracuse to Boise and the Broncos would visit Pitt. That won’t happen. We all know that the Big East will do the same thing the MWC did to TCU last year. Have both Cuse and Pitt go out to the Smurf Turf. Besides, Rutgers is not happy about the situation since they need a home game.
Rutgers would want Boise to come to Piscataway.
If Rutgers is forced to go to Boise, the Knights would not play at Arkansas, leaving a void on the schedule. Kansas State is still a possible non-conference option for the Knights in that case, but Rutgers already has built-in travel with its season opener at Tulane. Adding road games with Boise and either Arkansas and Kansas State is something the school is working to avoid.
If Boise joins the Big East this fall and plays at Rutgers, the Knights would likely fill out their non-conference schedule at Arkansas.
Florida State has an opening for a home game this year but is unwilling to return the trip, the person said.
The Rutgers people are also still ticked about the TCU departure — mainly at Marinatto and the Big East’s handling of it. Because of the ramifications that went beyond the schedule issues.
The Big East’s settlement with West Virginia, allowing the Mountaineers to leave, comes after commissioner John Marinatto steadfastly said for the past five months that the league would hold any departing schools to the 27-month exit penalty. Under league bylaws, West Virginia was obligated to remain in the Big East through July 1, 2014.
But Marinatto may have undermined the league’s efforts to hold West Virginia in the league because of the precedent he set by allowing TCU to leave the Big East without ever playing a game. The Horned Frogs will start play in the Big 12 this season.
It does show how clueless and short-sighted the Big East offices and Marinatto were. Pitt and Cuse had already announced they were leaving. Everyone else knew UConn, WVU, Rutgers, Louisville and even Cinci were sending loud feelers out to any and every other BCS conference. Yet, the Big East never seemed to believe anyone else could possibly leave the conference or try to go early, and plan for that possibility. There was not even an effort to hold TCU for a year or more realistically — force the Horned Frogs to pay more to depart.
Is there any doubt that 2012 Big East football will have the weirdest vibe to it, ever?
Not just because it’s ugly, seriously, after 5 minutes my eyes are strained.
Maybe it’s not better in person, but, I’d like to get out to that part of the country.
Also, have to start counting pennies.
How about Pitt and Syracuse turn around and put a little squeeze on Marinatto?
Threaten that they are contemplating leaving for the 2012 season, this fall.
Try to get an iron clad agreement, that we will be out for next year, so we don’t have to go through any bs next year and have a smooth transition to the ACC.
Ask for a waiver on the exit fee. Maybe get it down to 2.5m a piece or something.
“Mr. Marinatto, you want more chaos than you allready have, try having 5 teams in your conference this fall”
Hey, if they call our bluff, say we decided against it, we’re staying, and we’re still leaving next year.
C’mon, throw a couple molotovs at them!!!
What, they’ll hate us?? They allready do. Not as much as WVU, but they do.
Just like I hated Va. Tech and Miami for a couple years.
I’m like you also wbb, you posted awhile back, I hate to hurt Rutgers or Uconn, or actually any of the other guys too. They’re in a tough position, and I wouldn’t wish any harm on them.
Mainly, I’m just thinking, lets get the contract nonsense over now, for next year, so we don’t have to hear all of this same stuff next winter, only it’s Pitt and Syracuse vs The Big East.
Actually, I’d be thrilled if UCONN and Rutgers can join us some day if any of these conferences go to 16.
Well, I sucked up a lot of time, but, going out on a call, won’t be back till later.
Good day to you wbb and to all!
P.S. I’m still not sure how Manchin and his daughter were able to fall forward so easily.
Everything that happens at WVU reminds me of a Dukes of Hazard episode.
Why burn bridges? Do the right thing, stay until we can get out.
I still think doing the right thing will not only make Pitt look good but may get us early parole.
what a joke.
Then again, who has the stones to go down with a sinking ship?
Let’s forget about West Virginia University and let the Big East commissioner worry about 2012 scheduling. After this season Pitt will be in the ACC and life will go on… HTP!
We should use next year as an opportunity to get our two primary sports back on track………….
Football, why rush into the ACC without a qb? Tino is a disaster even in a prostyle offense and we can redshirt Voytek. The extra year gives Chryst & Co. a chance to settle down the defense, work on building an offensive line, etc.
Basketball why state the obvious…we need time to rebuild. The ACC is not the place to try to put the pieces together for a team that is so lost that even using a compass to find the basket is useless. Adams will not be one and done!
Two and gone yes, but not a one year wonder.
THIS SHOULD AND WILL BE OUR LAST YEAR BEING MISTREATED BY PROVIDENCE!
When we signed up for this we were told our rival and neighbor West Virginia would be there. Next year, they’ll be gone.
Breach of contract, Pitt plays in the ACC in 2012.
Well, ‘we’ were told a lot of things about the Big East that haven’t come true, or are no longer true.
But I think the Big East learned from the WVU fiasco and Pitt won’t be able to do the same thing.
We’re leaving now with Syracuse, good luck with a 5 team conference this fall, unless we get it in writing that we can exit for the 2013 season and, yes, by the way, we would like the 5M exit fee waived!!!
We’ll stay put for a year if you meet those demands, if not, we’re heading to the ACC now.!!!
Steve, you need me to make a call????
PITT shouldn’t do that. Not when PITT is facing another 30% reduction in State monies. There are more important things that the money can be used for.
PITT can wait a year and negotiate a separation that cost us less.
Yesterday morning at 7:50AM I posted similar thoughts. The buyout contract issue has been decided for us by Governor Corbett. We can’t justify spending any large sum to say good bye next year to the Big East.
In addition, what’s the rush to go to the ACC with both basketball (think of the fact that we might struggle today with Seton Hall) and football with a new coach in dire need of a quarterback. We might be destroyed next year in the ACC in both sports until we can rebuild.
Sit out next year with Syracuse in the Big East and fly the coop in 2013!!
Standifer is a very talented cornerback and as far as I know he visited Pitt this weekend after delaying his LOI. The sweepstakes include the wackiest combination of programs that I have ever seen…Pitt, Boise State and Vanderbilt.
Any word leaking out that can be discussed?…he would be an excellent addition to the 2012 Class.
Use the threat, of leaving now, to get the Big East to negotiatie our 2013 early exit done and have a signed contract. You get them to also agree that we will pay the 5million dollar exit fee next year, and that’s it.
Hell, get them to waive the fee, unless they want super-chaos, more than they have now, (hard to believe they could be more chaotic), but a five team conference in September would send them reeling!!!
You have some leverage right now.
The best thing for Pitt, would probably be to join in 2013. I agree. I’m saying, get the early 2013 exit handled now, while you have a little clout, so we don’t have to go through this next winter and/or spring all over again.
Hopefully Steve and Nordy are working on this right now behind closed doors.
Pitt and Syracuse’s schedule would be filled immediately with ACC games.
You could argue, that Pitt and Syracuse could sue, and the Big East could sue back.
You think Marinatto wants any of this garbage to start up again right now????
5 team Big East conference for Sept. 2012, what the hell would they do???
Ya, Pitt has a little leverage. Use it.
However, I don’t know that will happen.
Seems more likely 2013, which is a year early.
What I’m really suggesting, is to use the “threat” of leaving now, to secure our early departure next year in writing, (so we don’t have to go through all this stuff next winter), and to negotiate a price, even a discount price, or at most, the 5M original exit fee.
1). We could play a year in the BE, Chryst and Dixon could have a year to get ready.
2.) We get to leave 1 year early, which has been much talked about (2013) but, get the paperwork done now, and signed, so there is no nonsense next Jan and Feb.
3.) Get to leave one year early and only be paying the 5Million exit fee at most. Not some exit fee between 5Million and WVU’s 20 Million.
4.) Would prevent lawsuits, and all of the court non-sense next year.
I’m saying, use the leverage and threat of “hey Mr. Marinatto, Pitt and Cuse are seriously considering jumping now”, to accelerate our exit in 2013, the cheapest way possible.