There aren’t sufficient words to describe that pile left inside the Pete last night.
Just when we thought that the loss to DePaul was the bottom of the barrel, this group plumbs new depths. I’ve disagreed with many who have been saying that this team lacks heart, but after last night I can’t do that any longer. Losing this badly. Getting destroyed in the final 24 minutes with barely a whimper. The body language said it all by the end. They have given up.
Where do you start? How do you fix what is so clearly in these players’ heads. Even if you accept the premise that most of these players are role players, it does not explain how badly they played. They have talked about being angry about the losses. About fixing things. Turning it around. Instead they keep going further backwards. Not even getting angry out there. Just frustrated and despondent.
The first thing that jumped out at me when I sat down to watch this game was how indecisive the entire team looked on offense. Right from the start. Afraid to take a shot. Too much hesitation. The shooting woes of the past month weighing heavily on all of them.
Rutgers continued the trend of opposing teams crowding players on the perimeter — especially Ashton Gibbs — any breathing room Pitt which contributed to the immediate stagnation on offense. Rutgers did not fear the Pitt guards trying to penetrate off the dribble, and by staying so tight they made it harder for the perimeter players to move the ball inside. That inability to get the frontcourt involved on the offense is a huge factor in the how and why this team has fallen completely apart.
I’ve mentioned before that this year’s team is one that lets offensive frustration give way to defensive lapses. Or in this game, surrender on all fronts. The breakaways in the first half leading to comically bad blown scoring opportunities at point-blank range, were so clearly the mental toll of knowing that they needed these easy buckets and once they blew them only compounded the problems.
With the frontcourt not at all a factor on the offensive end, the rebounding suffered. Taylor and Zanna especially. The two combined for 5 rebounds the entire game. Nas grabbed 9 rebounds (3 offensive, 6 defensive) but only 1 offensive rebound in the second half — despite Pitt tossing up plenty of bricks. Rutgers had a 25-23 rebounding advantage at halftime. They destroyed Pitt on the boards in the second half, 26-12.
The other problem with the inability to get the ball to the frontcourt players, was that on the rare occasion that one of them did get the ball you knew they were going to put it up. They would rush it. Take a bad shot in traffic. Not even look to pass it back out. The frustration of not being involved in the offense gave way to selfish actions that only made things worse.
Unlike the other games in this collapse, Pitt took itself out of the game before the end of the 1st half. With under 4:30 left in the first half, Pitt only trailed 19-17. Rutgers was able to go on a 12-2 run to end the half. Pitt turned the ball over twice, shot 0-5 (2 points came on FTs) and only grabbed 3 rebounds (all defensive). Rutgers by contrast shot 4-8 (2-3 on 3s) and grabbed 5 rebounds — including the sequence to end the half where Rutgers got 3 opportunities to score in the final 5 seconds as Pitt couldn’t even tip the ball away from the basket.
Everything is a mess. Even their passing is horrid. Slow, looping passes or weak bounce passes that give defenses plenty of time to recover.
This has moved way beyond Woodall’s injury and Gibbs being forced to play out of position. This is a team that simply is not tough enough mentally.
I never thought I would type that.
It’s painful, I’m not fare weathered and I don’t follow this team just for wins, but I just don’t enjoy watching any basketball played at this level. It’s the same reason I rarely follow the early non-con – the games are mostly one-sided jokes (well, they used to be at least). Win or lose, my favorite part of the Howland/Dixon era is that the teams have played the game the right way. This team couldn’t find the right way on a map. That was aparent early this season, and it hasn’t really changed.
Good for the fans at the Pete. Team quit on them and they had every right to quit on the team.
he was also OC for bal;l state than RB coach at nothern illinois
But it gets worse. Gibbs as PG is also a fraud. His jerking off in the backcourt is laughable. Dixon has no idea how to coach his way out of this. I’ll tell him how. Start Gilbert at center. He’s got presence, muscle. He’s better than Gary was when Gary was a Freshman. Taylor is a marshmellow, Zanna is a forward. The only true center is Gilbert. Johnson starts at the point, Gibbs goes back to 2 and runs his crap, even if he’s mostly a decoy on offense. Robinson at PF, Patterson at SF. Rotate Moore, Zanna in at 3 & 4, Taylor gets limited minutes just to save face. Rotate Epps at PG, Wright for situations.
If Dixon continues to play it the way he did last night he’s a dumb ass. My line-up could not be any worse than last night’s performance. Everyone who follows Pitt & the BE knows the symptons, does Dixon have the brains to ID the disease?
It’s amazing to say this in early January, but I don’t see another sure win with this lineup and its current performance. And only 1-2 more “maybe wins.”
Point being, the ugliness has only begun.
So if I were Jamie Dixon I’d start getting guys experience for next year. Give Gilbert 35 minutes a game, make the guys at PF earn their minutes, and play anybody else at PG until Trey gets back.
For starters, I would bench Ashton Gibbs and Dante Taylor. Not that it is all Ashton’s fault, but he needs to sit for a while, even if it is only 10 minutes.
Rutgers is a BAD team too.
0-16 in the Big East could certainly be possible this year.
The Pete lost its swagger. The student section has nothing to cheer for. Jamie Dixon is a horrible in game coach. Absolutely NO adjustments. We have NO offense, poor shooting, and act like big pussies in the paint. Other teams are more physical and create their own shots better than we do.
This will have huge ripple affects. We ARE a basketball school. Now we don’t even have that. So what are we? We are just another school. We can’t even bring football recruits into the Pete because it lacks electricity. The Pete is usually our best recruiting tool.
These are very tough times for our beloved University of Pittsburgh.
Despite all of this, I still hold out hope that they will turn it around. I wildly disagree with Timmeh’s assessments…
Maybe this will help shed some of the bandwagon fans. I sure hope so.
What do you disagree with? I am not offended but would like to know your opinion
Start the bottom 5 of the roster for the first 5 minutes of the next game??????????
M. Gilbert C
D. Johnson F
A. Nwankwo F
N. Rivers G
Other Guard , whoever of the others that get playing time, that Dixon feels actually works the hardest I guess.
About the only wake up call I know of.
Crazy?? Ya, pretty crazy last night.
Making another 100 lbs in two weeks. Have 180 hanging now. You are now the only person I’ve seen on any Pitt Board know what they are. But you are obviously from my area. Kulpmont? Mt. Carmel? Shamokin?
There are so many problems that I feel strange about picking out only one, but…I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a team with two guys rotating at center that have such a lack of feel for the game. Taylor and Zanna are continually out of position on offense and late in getting to where they are supposed to be. On top of that, neither seems to have the hands necessary to play at this level – whether it be fumbling away entry passes or letting guys take rebounds from them. Lastly, neither has any real physical presence at all. At this point, I have to agree with the calls for Gilbert. At least he is a physical presence on defense. I don’t think he could do any worse on offense.
Chas correctly points out that defenses are overloading the outside shooters. One of the reasons they can do this is that they have no fear of either Taylor or Zanna consistently making a play on the inside. Teams are actually doubling Gibbs when he starts to penetrate.
Aside from changing personnel (I also think Moore needs to play more, even though he makes mistakes, because he is one of the few that is actually aggressive on offense), I’m not sure what the coaches can do at this point. What are the in-game adjustments that would have solved last night?
The first problem may not be fixable this season–Gilbert needs to develop. The second would be significantly improved if a healthy Woodall returned. Until then the only improvement possible would have to come from anyone other than Gibbs at the point and sliding him to the off guard spot.
As for the Soupies, we did try ~60 lbs of Salami this year. Each year we try to mix things up. Last year was cappicolla (epic fail)
How’s the wrestling team do this year?
Against Syr put Lamar or Moore at the foul line for jumpers with Gilbert and Robinson and Zanna crashing.
Waiting for Woodall is like waiting for Godot. He won’t be right until next year, why rush him back? Dixon doesn’t understand that there is nothing to salvage this year except self respect. This is a basketball crisis that’s part of a bigger Pittsburgh sports karmic thing and the only way out is to fight, and you can’t fight with pussies.
Jamie won’t do any of it. He’ll keep doing what cannot work, what is failing. Keep this up and we’ll destroy the brand.
That’s good, putting his staff together.
I’m happy we got Shell, but, I’m hoping Ray Graham can have a great comeback. For him personally. Seems like a nice kid, and now looking back, what a real shame that was for him.
You know, his cutting ability, I hadn’t seen anyone like that in years, I mean anywhere.
He looked like he was on a ski slalom course when he ran.
Hopefully he’s rehabbing, and a good RB coach can help him!!!
even a team with out a lot of telent that plays hard can keep the score close . this ship may not right it self i cant deal with it.
Obviously it’s had an effect on Sleepy’s play. Birch had two Doubles/doubles in effect, his first two starts. Wow, that seems like eons ago, when the Palestra was filled with chants of ‘Let’s go Pitt’. Sleepy then got his FIRST CAREER Double/double after being put back into the starting lineup after his migraines.
Zanna then says in an interview that PITT’s practices are so physical that he had trouble adjusting and Birch did as well, even supposedly crying during a particularly rough practice.
Question: if the practices are so rough & tumble, why do Zanna & Taylor play so soft?
There are a lot of perplexing questions about this team and this season. Surely they have more talent than Wagner, DePaul & Rutgers.
One huge mistake was not playing Johnson immediately at PG after Woodall got hurt. You still had several cupcakes on the non-con schedule, where Johnson could have gained a lot of experience playing the point. Surely they could have still won those cupcake non-con games with Johnson at PG.
Another perplexing thing, Woody hasn’t played since the Nov. 30th Duquesne game. With Gibbs at PG since then, Pitt then beat Tennessee and only had 6 turnovers. While Tenn isn’t great, they did just beat #13 Florida 67-56. Then PITT scored 97 points against VMI and then beat Okla. State at MSG shooting 53% with 10 turnovers. Then the two cupcakes, SC State & St. Francis.
Then came the collapse with Wagner at home, shooting only 40% with 18 turnovers. Horrid shooting continued since then and the turnover problem with 17,15 & 15 in the last 3 games.
Can Johnson at the Point be that worse?
At least that gets Gibbs back to SG.
Make the move Coach !
Emel is dead on with Gibbs. Move him to SG and sub at PG until Tra returns. Put Johnson there, not Epps. Johnson can shoot and hit FT (Epps-DePaul still hurts)and moves the ball as well as Epps. Gibbs needs a spark, and we need him to start nailing 3s again.
SilverPanther, enjoy your insights but I don’t view Gilbert as a “pet” project. Agree he is young, raw & inexperienced, but the alternative is Sleepy. Have seen enough of him over 2+ seasons. Willing to endure the pain of a 6’11” 240′ disrupter underneath and give him a chance to develop on the court. Season is pretty much shot anyway and his Redshirt is gone, and Adams is coming in, so why not play him now.
Sleepy/Zanna at the 5 is a glaring departure from tough Pitt centers we have enjoyed this century, as noted on here repeatedly. Zanna hustles and dives but is not a 5. I’ll go with the pet and hope he has some pitt bull in him. HTP
More playing time for Gilbert, Johnson at the point. Neither of these are real solutions. They are the “Keith Benjiman should be starting!” arguments of the 2011-12 season.
I never thought I’d say that about a Dixon team and it doesn’t reflect well on him either, but this group lacks the effort and focus of other teams with similar talent gap which mananged to at least compete and not embarrass the university.
And for the record, they gotten manhandled by equally inexperienced teams this year.
I hear ya on most of your reasoned response, but: 1. can’t visualize Dante or Zanna schooling anyone at practice, especially a big Philly dude 2. still remember Dante getting badly stuffed by Gilbert on a one on one confrontation in the Blue-Gold game (isolated, maybe silly, but there it was); 3. I never rooted for Keith B. to start. He was like JJ Moore, with flashes of brillance but inconsistent play.4. Presence in the middle IS a problem, as we have none. Not rebounds, but a shot alternator.
Gilbert may not be a solution nor save the day, but he was a top HS 20 center nationally, is 6’11”, 240 with an 88″ wingspan. He is a shot blocker, which we currently don’t have. He is raw and needs work, but I say play him and grow with him rather than watch reruns of Sleepy. So far, Jamie agrees with you. HTP
And please look at the numbers, we outrebounded opponents in pretty much every game- often by a large margin. We are getting beat by opposing guards. Not by lack of presence.