You know what’s sad? Well, many things regarding expansiopocolypse, but what is sad for purposes of this post is that the Big Sprawl Logo that FearTheStache did for me last year is now outdated.
We need the entire Continental US on the logo (don’t worry, I’m sure the University of Alaska Seawolves will be invited soon to add that all-important Anchorage market).
It is comical that the Big East is keeping its name. Apparently “Big Least” jokes are funny to the offices in Providence as well. Hell, I realize they think it has cache in basketball, but the name is not like the Pac-[insert number here], the SEC, Big 10, ACC or even the Big 12. This is the time to change it up — and get the offices the hell out of Providence. I recommend the CCC, or Coast-to-Coast Conference.
To recap, the Big East has finally gotten around to announcing their expansion plans. Final answer (sort of).
On Wednesday, the league announced that Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and UCF would join the league in 2013. Boise State and San Diego State as football-only members and Houston, SMU and UCF as all-sport members.
No BYU (insane TV rights demands). No Air Force. No Navy — for now.
As the league appears set to announce its plans Wednesday to add five schools, Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk said Tuesday night that “there were too many obstacles” to overcome for the Midshipmen to join for football only as early as 2014.
Among the roadblocks, Gladchuk said, were Navy’s bowl tie-ins through 2016, an existing television deal with CBS Sports that runs through the 2018 season and its game contracts with a number of schools going for several years, including one with Notre Dame though 2026.
But Gladchuk said that once some of those contracts can be honored or Navy can negotiate its way out of others, the Midshipmen would “most likely” join the Big East if the league is still interested.
Of course, the Big East will be interested in 2014. If for no other reason than to make Notre Dame happy. Consider that ND has an informal agreement to play 3 Big East teams each year in football. Pitt and Syracuse will be gone (which was 2 of the teams they planned to play). They have a deal with UConn coming (where the UConn home games would be at Gilette Stadium — in Massachusetts). Rutgers rejected the demands that the Rutgers “home” games be played in the Meadowlands. You think ND wants to do home-and-homes with UCF? Boise? SDSU? Navy can be folded right into their Big East obligations.
This does not surprise me with Navy not able to join now. I noted before that as an independent, they have a lot of individual contracts which becomes more expensive and difficult to break and change.
Now the Big East is still sticking firm to its 27-month requirement. No surprise there. 2012 won’t have the new members in place and to have all 3 teams gone, would be a 5-team football conference and a lucky 13 basketball conference. Not to mention the fact that they have lawsuits with the Hoopies over departing. And Syracuse’s AD made it clear that the Orange are watching things.
Plus, it’s about negotiating a bigger exit penalty for getting out by 2013. It is hard to envision the Big East being serious with a 13-team football conference and 19-team basketball conference for 2013. Of course, with this man in charge, I can’t discount the possibility (hattip to Patrick).
The Big East is pushing to back to those halcyon days of the 90s. When WVU, Rutgers, Temple, VT and Miami were all partial members and stuck in a limbo. Don’t think that didn’t factor into VT and Miami being so willing to jump to the ACC back then. And don’t think Rutgers (or WVU) has forgotten being treated as second class citizens. Boise and SDSU may be pleased about the chance to make more TV money in the Big East. With or without AQ status, the Big East TV deal will still be far superior to anything they can get from the MWC. But there will be resentment in a short enough time. Frustration when they realize how little they get a say in things.
Like then, this is merely a reaction to pressures and their own inability to act. And like then, this is a short-term fix that is doomed to self-destruction with three different classes of members. This is actually worse because the geography is so miserable.
I feel bad for Rutgers, UConn, USF, Cinci and Louisville (though, Louisville will probably get an invite eventually when the Big 12 gets back to 12). This just sucks worse than 2003. Frankly, it would be so easy for Pitt to be stuck in this situation if the ACC chose differently.
Chas, Not to change the subject but are you gonna do the ESPN Bowl Mania Challenge this year?
As for my opinion on the the expansion, frankly I do not give a damn about it. We are going to the ACC, hopefully sooner than later, and this long nightmare will be over.
Atleast this is setting up the framework for a super conference…BE needs to add a couple more western teams and have two divisions: The Big East and The Big West…winner of each plays in championship game…then onto a Nat’l playoff with the other conference winners…leading to a authentic National Title Game.
Jackpot.
Stop making fun of the Big East simply b/c it’s the thing to do right now…and don’t you even troll me about how Marrinatto waited too long..let PITT WVU and SYR go, etc…Its all old news; you sound like broken records..
But anyways, the BE is a huge mess. I don’t see how the BE will keep it’s AQ status during the next round of negotiations. So glad Pitt is out of the BE.
My guess is the BE will have a TV contract that is much superior to any ACC TV contract. BE metro areas:
NY (Rutgers): No. 1 market
Dallas-Ft. Worth: No. 4
Houston: No. 6
San Diego: No. 17
Tampa: No. 19
Orlando: No. 26
Add the four time zones where a live BE game can be played in prime time on the West Coast. BB will still be a big draw. The BE will do just fine. What is it? Four ACC teams will have the NC market to divide? Check out the drop in attendance at BC since they joined the ACC.
We have given up the opportunity to play WVU for the opportunity to play Wake Forest. To most on this board, it probably won’t matter. To me it does matter.
Fans/alumni located in NC obviously are pleased with Pitt’s move. Those living in FL and TX should not be. I am upset since I live in Jersey. Pitt will no longer come to Rutgers in FB or BB and will not be coming to Seton Hall, St. John’s or the BE tourney in BB. SNY televises BE FB and BB. There will be far fewer games to view. I feel short-change. For where I am located, I see no advantage to Pitt’s jumping ship.
The A-10 claims Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, NYC, St. Louis, Charlotte, D.C. among others. Other than maybe Philly, I don’t think anyone is buying.
The MAC claims Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana as primary markets.
You get the point.
You can have a presence there, but that does not mean relevance.
In NYC, who watches Rutger’s games? I know in DFW that very few people care about SMU. At least Fort Worth markets TCU as their team. Dallas could care less about SMU…they already have the Cowboys even if technically they don’t even play there.
Pitt gave up the Big Least for stability. The ACC will be the premier conference for basketball again and in football it will be a step up. We give up WVU to possibly play Fla State, Miami, Clemson and Va Tech. I’ll take that any day.
And, if there is a chance, the Domers will either pick the Big 10 or ACC as their home. If that ever happens, the TV money will dwarf most if not all other conferences.
The Big Least is probably also going to lose the Ville, Cincy and UConn at some point. The Big Least looking this good is only a mirage.
However, allthough tv market size is important, I think we all saw that is not the be all end all.
The number of fans, that actually are going to watch their team apparently is a lot more important than many people thought.
The big talk for the past couple of years was, oh my, the Big Ten is going to grab Rutgers to get the NYC market.
I believe the proof is in the pudding, if Rutgers meant getting the whole NYC market, they would have been in a conference years ago. What they’ll get, is the Rutgers fan, in the NYC market.
As far as attendace, Pitt fans are like most other sports fans. It comes down to winning.
If Pitt elevates it’s football program and competes with Clemson, FSU, Ga. Tech, Va. Tech and Miami, there will be people at the games.
If Pitt stinks, and loses to Duke, Wake Forest and Boston College, there won’t be.
Hopefully you’ll have a network that picks up the ACC games in hoops and football.
link to nj.com
“I am pleased that Pitt got off this sinking ship.”
TX Panther, five new teams were eager to join the BE. Is it your professional opinion that the due diligence that these schools performed is flawed and that the BE will be caput shortly?
TX, you also posted, “We give up WVU to possibly play Fla State, Miami, Clemson and Va Tech. I’ll take that any day.” You would rather watch Pitt play Fla State, Miami, Clemson and Va Tech than WVU (and other schools that are driveable from Pittsburgh)? Interesting. Do you share the same opinion with basketball?
“As far as attendace, Pitt fans are like most other sports fans. It comes down to winning. If Pitt elevates it’s football program and competes with Clemson, FSU, Ga. Tech, Va. Tech and Miami, there will be people at the games. If Pitt stinks, and loses to Duke, Wake Forest and Boston College, there won’t be.”
I assume that if Pitt elevates its game against Cinci, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, etc., there will be people at the games (including you). I also assume that if Pitt plays Rutgers on TV (in Jersey) or Wake Forest (in NC) you would watch the respective game. So, why the euphoria about Pitt changing conferences?
And although I’ll miss the Hoopies, I miss State Penn more and have lived without this true rival for over 15 years. Pitt vs. Va Tech was always entertaining and could replace WVU as a rival. The Cuse, Va Tech, Virginia, and Maryland all remain as drivable games for fans who live in the tri-state area.
The quality of competition is much better on the football field in the ACC. Now with WVU, Pitt and Cuse leaving, the Big East is diminished in basketball. UConn, Ville and Cincy will also most likely leave shortly so this new Big East only is a short term solution to a much bigger long term problem.
I really feel sorry for South Florida and Rutgers since they’ll be the ones getting a Conference USA/WAC invite in 5 years. The Big East won’t be around for the long haul.
If the Big East could have created an 8 team West vs. 8 team East division a few years ago and completely split the basketball and football schools, it might have worked. An all sports conference like: West (TCU, Houston, Memphis, Ville, Cincy, Kansas, K-State, Iowa St); East (Pitt, WVU, Cuse, UConn, Rutgers, SFla, CFla, ECU) might have been worth fighting for.
Unfortunately, too little, too late.
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Dan is right: I believe the proof is in the pudding, if Rutgers meant getting the whole NYC market, they would have been in a conference years ago. What they’ll get, is the Rutgers fan, in the NYC market.
Most of the money’d New Yorkers who follow college sports went to Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac 10 or Ivy League schools. (The YES Network shows Ivy games, they have a market here.) Or- they went to the basketball Big East Schools. Syracuse has more New York support than Rutgers: when you look at the SNY advertising, it’s Syracuse in the ads, not Rutgers. (SNY and the YES Networks are two competing networks, with ESPN’s channels. The Yankees own YES and the Mets & Jets own SNY. There’s actually a third sports network here, MSG, owned by the same guy who owns the Knicks & Rangers, but they don’t show college basketball, I’m pretty sure.)
The rest of New York: it’s a pro town, and it’s actually a baseball town first and foremost- one of the few in the nation, I’ve been told. So college sports, and especially college football, they’re not a huge consideration: the outerborough folks would rather watch a rebroadcast of Mike Francesa’s radio call in show on the YES Network than San Diego State play Rutgers on SNY.
I would actually like to see those numbers, if those competing broadcasts happened, as I think they would compare- in October, at least.
I, for one, am so happy to be getting out of this dysfunctional football conference. I’m sad, I’ll admit, to be leaving this amazing basketball conference but it’s not a bad trade between the ACC to the Big East for basketball.
What due diligence did these new Big East teams do? They looked at being in non-AQ conferences and decided that they could get better tv money and a shot at a BCS bowl in the Big East. Especially for Boise St., that is ALL the motivation they need. They can dominate the Big East, especially one with out WVU, and be a lock for a BCS bowl every year.
You also fail to address the fact that most of the Big East football schools have been trying to get out. Heck, we know that even Villanova applied to the ACC. Why would all the teams IN the league be trying to leave if it is so stable? Why would a founding member like Syracuse be bolting (and tried to bolt earlier) if the conference is so sound? Do you think the Big East teams that are leaving didn’t do their due diligence either? Clearly the draw for a possible BCS berth has great sway, which is why TCU decided to join, apparently without doing any due diligence. Because they apparently missed how unstable the conference is and bolted as soon as they learned.
If the conference is so great, why has UConn been begging to get into the ACC? Why did Louisville beg the Big 12 for an invite? Why did WVU contact every conference in the western hemisphere to get out of the Big East?
I, like you, will really miss BE basketball. I will miss the success Pitt has had in the conference and they way they dominated most teams. I don’t know whether they will be able to continue that in the ACC with Duke and UNC (I doubt they will). But even so, the Big East has clearly been a sinking ship for years and most of us are just glad to have a stable future. These new teams added to the league don’t bring anything, other than Boise St. in football. And it is worth the risk for them leaving their old conferences because the potential reward for the Big East holding together outweighs the risk of it collapsing- because those schools had nothing in their old conferences. But for the teams suffering in the Big East, leaving clearly yields bigger rewards than staying. Heck, it took three teams leaving for Marinatto to even address the need to add more football teams. If he had done this same thing six months ago, Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse likely would have stayed.
“Syracuse has more New York support than Rutgers”
You are still holding that opinion after the link that I previously posted?
This discussion is about the size of any new TV contract into which the BE may enter. The good thing about this discussion is that we will eventually have an answer unlike “I’ll bet the 2003 Clemson team would have beaten the 2006 Pitt team”.
Usually the first game is sold out then as the season goes along attendance drops unless the visiting teams fans fill it up.
Lots of you guys been dissin the Big East but last time I checked Pitt hasn’t EVER won the BE Championship out right. Maybe this fricked up, disfunctional basketball conference is right where THE Pitt football program belongs until we can get our shit together enough to be competitive with the big boy conferences.
Think about it, how do you really think Pitt would have faired this year in the SEC.
The SEC would have solved the Sunseri issue early on however after some defensive lineman from Alabama or LSU had ripped of Tino’s head and spit down his neck after one of his happy feet going no where scrambles. LOL
kanyon, all of the BE basketball teams that went to the Dance last year suffered? Explain how Pitt suffered in either BB or FB. Explain the rewards. The only reward that can be quantified as far as I know is revenues.
Three teams have bolted the Big 12 and two more tried but were rejected by the Pac-12. Yet WVU clawed to get in. Why? If the Pac-12 changes its mind and lets OU and Texas in, will WVU (and TCU) still look pretty smart by leaving the BE? How smart was BC to leave the BE? I don’t think that they drew more than 39,000 for any home game this year. What have they gained? Seems to me that there may not be a whole lot of excitement over the ACC in Boston.
The new teams in the BE were in a conference. I think that it was the lure of increased revenues rather than the prospect of a BCS berth that enticed them to join. If the size of the anticipated TV contract is significant, the BE conference will be stable.
Keep in mind, it’s my reason and we’re all entitled to them, right??
Just tired of never being in a “real” conference. You know, when you used to look in the Sunday paper (nowadays online), and you used to see Big 10, ACC, SEC, Pac12 standings all lined up nice and neat.
Universities, with similar academics, sports etc. etc. etc, and all together, playing all sports together.
You always knew who was in the conference, and who they were a part of and who they were with.
Then came the Big East. Oy vey!!!!!! Members always coming and going. Then for years it was Miami and the little seven. Is Temple coming and going? Va. Tech is here, now they’re not. Who plays football, do they play football, or are they football and basketball?? I think they’re just basketball!!!
That’s my main reason believe it or not. To sum it up, the whole time Pitt has been in the Big East, it has always just felt like a mish-mash of convenience, and always felt like a “league” at best, never a “conference”.
Revenue will increase for Pitt in the ACC versus the Big East. But the fact that the Big East didn’t have enough football teams was a big problem. Several schools demanded for years to fix it and Marinatto didn’t. Clearly they left the Big East because they saw it as an unstable conference AND they saw the opportunity to make more money in another conference.
And even for basketball. We are at an 18 team league. We are at the point of playing each team 1 time. If the league added the necessary football teams (especially enough to get to a championship game which equals more revenue) we would almost certainly end up with well over 20 basketball teams. While the BE has been the best hoops conference top to bottom, I do think that an 18 to possibly 24 team basketball conference would be a bad thing. And Pitt has been lucky, because several years we have had to play UConn, WVU, and Villanova twice in hoops while other teams get to play USF and DePaul twice. We are lucky because we have dominated the league in many ways, but the unbalanced schedule is not beneficial to the schools.
Yes, who of us won’t miss Big East hoops?? Of course we will.
However, the romance of G-Town, St. Johns and Villanove all going to the final four has been over for sometime. Who could forget those years?
Our biggest games and rivals the past 10 years, and actually the best teams in the league the past 10 years, have been Pitt, UCONN, Syracuse and WVU. Well, we’re taking one of them with us, if the conference ever goes to 16, UCONN will be coming also, and with basketball scheduling being more flexible, wouldn’t be suprised (if the powers to be want it) we would still play WVU.
We’re now going to switch in Duke, UNC, Maryland, NC St., Clemson, Ga.Tech and Wake Forest in hoops, it’s like a super league with us and Syracuse added!!!
It’s like we hit the jackpot!!!
St. Johns, Seton Hall, Marquette, De Paul, Providence, Rutgers, USF, does absolutely nothing for me, personally.
As for football, you are correct. The ACC alone will not bring attendance. Yes, if Pitt could have elevated it’s game in the Big East, (ala WVU for those years under Dick Rod), (I know it’s hard folks, but they were in the top 5 and 10 and beat the crap out of Georgia and Oklahoma in the bowls), our attendance would have been better.
I’m hoping Graham can do it, and when we start our ACC schedule, the Clemson, Fla. St and Miami games will be somewhat relevant and we’ll have some big games at Heinz, and some out of this world road trips!!
No guarantees there, no matter what conference you’re in. Pitt has to elevate it’s game, for Pitt’s sake wherever they are.
As for the teams in football, no comparison for me lining them up.
UCONN, Cincy, Louiville, USF compared to
Clemson, G.Tech, V.Tech, Miami, NC. St, Maryland and frankly, yes, I’d much rather play Duke or Wake Forest than Rutgers, UCF or SMU.
WVU, yes, that’s a tough one. If you told me we we’re going to Conf. USA, the Sun Belt or some conference where there is no one, yes, I’d take WVU.
WVU vs. UNC, DUKE, Maryland plus others in hoops,
WVU vs. Clemson, Ga Tech, Miami, FSU in football,
sorry, gotta take the ACC!! Not even close.
Can WVU use the fact that the Big East never did anything to “grow” the football part of the league and WVU did everything in it’s effort to do so therefore the Big East was in “breach”?
Does the eventual result here become binding arbitration?
I just am curious on how this all plays out. I imagine WVU is gone regardless…but wondered if there is any way they can block the move.
DaveD
Actually, never could get “right” with some playing football and some playing hoops.
I wish them well, hope they stay a viable conference, but, thankful we’re gone.
I do know one of two good things will happen.
If they can’t get out (which seems to be the popular answer), then we get another shot at them in the Backyard Brawl.
If they do, I find it hard to believe then, that there would be anything left to stop us and ‘Cuse from bolting.
I think they’ll have to stay, but, they and the Big 12 keep acting like it’s a done deal, they’re starting next fall!! LOL
I think the Big12 is in a little pickle if they can’t, something to do with having enough inventory of conference games, as per their television agreement!!! LOL Should be interesting.
The Big East and The Big West…winner of each plays in championship game…
and wins what . . .championship of ass? I’d even take the River City trophy over that one
Will Pitt play a full basketball schedule irrespective of whether it’s BE or ACC? If the answer is yes, I have no preference. I’ll watch them play Long Beach State.
Do the football conference and basketball conference have different member schools? I am trying to think of a reason why I should personally care; however, so far, I can’t come up with any reason.
In which conference will Pitt play the most FB games and BB games in my back yard? To me it makes a difference.
Which conference will TV the most Pitt FB games and BB games in my area? To me it makes a difference.
My conference preference is based on the answers above.
Have respect for other peoples opinions. I still live in Pittsburgh and will get all the games either way.
Yes, I like Pitt irrespective of the opponent also.
But, given the choice, I would much rather my university play in one of the Big 4 conferences, also being wanted by one of the Big 4 as much for our academic reputation as well as hoops power, and hopefully a return to some football relevance rather than be in the football conference that is constantly joked about, laughed off, and called the Big Least.
Actually, I take that above statement back. I guess I am sophisticated. Wow, thank you, never thought of myself that way.
Having a premise, that Pitt starts playing good solid football (we can all hope),
Yes, I’d much rather play Clemson than cincy, Fla. State than usf and Virginia Tech instead of UCONN.
I mean, to me, it’s a no brainer, if your given team is competitive, why wouldn’t you want them to be playing teams that matter on a national stage, teams that pack their stadiums, teams that bring the pageantry to the “pageantry of college football”.
Ya, erase that stupid thing I said, of course I want my team playing the better teams in front of large crowds, instead of being relegated to a 1/4 full Husky Stadium at UCONN on a Wednesday night, or a half empty Nippert Stadium in Cincy.
That was silly of me, of course I care who we play if I have a choice.
Thank you for the sophisticated comment, I’ll take that as a compliment!!!
NY (Rutgers): No. 1 market
Dallas-Ft. Worth: No. 4
Houston: No. 6
San Diego: No. 17
Tampa: No. 19
Orlando: No. 26
Comment by BigGuy 12.08.11 @ 12:21 pm
Are you serious BigGuy or just stirring the pot !
haha.
In none of those markets you list do the vast majority of people living in those cites care a hoot about those teams (schools) football programs.
For instance NYC, Syracuse has more way more fans in NYC than Rutgers. Not even close.
DFW is Longhorn and Aggie territory, SMU is an afterthought there. Same in Houston.
San Diego is USC/UCLA territory, nobody cares about SDSU except the people that go there.
I doubt a BigEast network could even be sold to the cable providers in these cities.
Since we’re not in the BigEast anymore I can now not delude myself with thinking that anybody in Houston, Dallas, San Diego and even Tampa & Orlando really gives a hoot about BigEast football.
The ACC has long established markets and schools and already has negotiated a big TV deal. Adding two huge Northern markets will ONLY increase that TV deal. Bottom line.
If Rutgers could deliver the NYC TV market, the Big 10 would have scooped them up already. Don’t ya think ! As well as the savy ACC !
mcgee was ranked in the top 20 oc in the nation
so to lose him and go with mr untested norvell makes me uneasy.
What this article fails to tell you is that the “NYC” market that the author speaks of also includes 90% of New Jersey. The entire North and Central portion…when 90% of your home fan base is included, you should win the ratings battle. There is no way to JUST get ratings of NYC itself, that is why they use the words “NYC market”.
When the entirety of your Home fan base in NJ is included in this “NYC Market” the numbers are actually kinda sad.
The fact that SU-WVA drew that many eyeballs in the “NYC Market” which includes 90% of NJ (your home turf) AT THE SAME TIME your game was being aired should be disturbing to you.
This would be like adding all of upstate NY viewership and calling it the NYC Market and saying that we own NYC in TV ratings.
But any way you wanna skew the numbers to your liking…go ahead, whatever makes you feel good in the end.
Well I believe Chad Morris was a friend of TG’s as well and probably the only reason he got the OC job at Tulsa. He did pretty well for Tulsa in his Year 1 and Year 2 for him at Clemson didn’t go to bad either.
A Trip to the Orange Bowl and the ACC champions !
I’m not worried at all about Norvell. I’m more concerned with TG getting a 5th year senior or Juco to play QB if Voytik isn’t up to it as a true frosh.
we need a top oc and the new coachs and we need them soon get on the band wagon EMel dont make me hit you with a wet noodle/
Emel, I like to converse with knowledgeable people. It expands my knowledge. Conversely, since we are all given a finite amount of time, I try to avoid wasting it on people who don’t know what they are talking about. I posted the following link in support of my understanding that Rutgers is the biggest college draw in the NYC TV market.
Two games played concurrently on ESPN and ESPN2. A couple of excerpts from the article:
“Rutgers has also been part of four of the five highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.”
“Syracuse is not in the top 10 of ESPN’s list of the most-viewed college football games in New York City.”
I have found similar articles re: TV ratings of other Rutgers games. The article speaks of NYC and the NYC area, i.e. where the NYC market is located. In other words, those channels that are viewed by residents of NYC, Westchester County, Long Island, NJ and Conn.
I know that you would not make a statement unless you have supporting evidence. Accordingly, please post your evidence. Just a link or two.
(BTW, my guess is that the ACC is aware of NYC TV ratings; however, they still chose Syracuse over Rutgers.)
I have no supporting facts, just the fact that two of the big 4 conferences, who want to make money, haven’t taken Rutgers???
I think most people are forgetting, WVU is not going to be in the BigEast anymore. And I believe they will play non-con every other year or so(if they don’t, I can live without it). But I’m not going to miss wvu’s classless & toothless fan base. And the miscreants from Pittsburgh who go there and take great joy in their juvenile moronic chants.
I suggest you do what a lot of New Jerseyans have done, move to the Carolinas.
I’ll buy you a beer or whatever you drink when you get here. Fair enough .
I have no supporting facts, just the fact that two of the big 4 conferences, who want to make money, haven’t taken Rutgers???
Comment by Dan 12.08.11 @ 11:49 pm
Excellent point Dan-o, I think I mentioned that in one of my above posts. Don’t think BigGuy read that one.
I suggest with the addition of another 3 schools from C-USA. Along with former C-USA schools, Cincy & L-Ville, they rename the conference which is not so much Eastern anymore, the BE-USA.
Has kind of a patriotic feel to it ! Yea, I like it.
Anyway Good Nite Louise and fellow Panthers.
Veritas et Virtus
Hail to Pitt !
Comment by San Diego Panther 69 12.09.11 @ 12:06 am
Sorry didn’t see this, but not to show you up or anything SD Panther, but you sort of called me out. The equivalent of the Pitt-Duquesne game in Pittsburgh was played out in San Diego the other night. As you say SDSU territory, SDSU played the University of San Diego. The attendance was 4,750 people. Surely if everyone in San Diego was dying to see the Aztecs(who are coming off their best season EVER), they would have moved the game to a larger arena.
What recruits remaining do we have a good chance of picking up? All this talk about what the Big East has become and what it could have been has me depressed.
“I have no supporting facts, just the fact that two of the big 4 conferences, who want to make money, haven’t taken Rutgers???
Comment by Emel
“Excellent point Dan-o, I think I mentioned that in one of my above posts. Don’t think BigGuy read that one.”
Emel, one comment I did read was the one you posted in which you stated:
“For instance NYC, Syracuse has more way more fans in NYC than Rutgers. Not even close.”
I asked you for just one or two links in support of your comment. (In my judgment, a reasonable request. I don’t want people on this blog to think that you don’t know what the heck you are talking about.) You may not have read my comment/request.
Dan, do you have inside information that the only criterion considered by a conference for expansion is the greatest enhancement of the conference’s/other school’s revenues? Any possibility that there may be one or two other criteria in determining selection?
(I apologize, Dan. You did say that you have no supporting facts. Unlike some other posters, you enhance your credibility by qualifying your remarks.)
I will miss BE hoops, but will get over it quickly. As for football and the other sports, it is a huge step up. Did anyone look forward to a road trip to UCONN, RU, UC, UL? Of course you didn’t. Who is looking forward to Clemson, VT, Maryland, Chapel Heel? I am. Folks use to live in Chapel Heel right 15-502. Duke is a beautiful campus. Road trips and fans coming to PGH just got a lot more fun.
I think the goal of a “conference” is to have all schools compete in all sports?
Right ??