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December 4, 2011

After two liveblogs, a 12 hour binge of college football and basketball, and a minor case of alcohol poisoning. I had to take Sunday away from the computer and TV. Something about family time. That always ends well. Add in the fact that my phone choked on an operating system update — sending it into perpetual reboot — and I am feeling quite deaf and blind for the next couple of days until the replacement arrives.

Well, Pitt is heading back to Birmingham for the BBVA Bowl and will face SMU. Present (soon enough to be past) Big East versus future. I noted yesterday that the one advantage for Pitt of getting sent to Birmingham for a bowl: no one expects any fanbase to travel for a bowl in Birmingham. Factor in that Pitt played in it last year, and it should be quite the local crowd. More good news, Pitt basketball doesn’t have a game the same day this year.

In other not so surprising news, Pitt will be hiring three new assistants with the departures of co-offensive coordinator Calvin Magee, secondary coach Tony Gibson and tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator Tony Dews. All three will rejoin Dick Rodriguez in Arizona — though, Magee is also a possibility to be the next head coach of UMass. UMass is prepping to make the jump from 1-AA to 1-A and join the MAC in football.

“I want to thank Tony Gibson, Calvin Magee and Tony Dews for their contributions during this past season,” Graham said. “We will move expeditiously yet thoroughly in finding full-time replacements, and I know we’ll have some exceptional candidates to consider. This is an opportunity for us to strengthen an already strong group of coaches and support staff.

“Moving forward, our coaches will be laser-focused on recruiting and having our team ready to play, and win, a bowl game. We’ve got an incredibly bright future at Pitt and I’m extremely ambitious and enthusiastic about what we can achieve.”

It’s a shame to lose coaches after only one year, but it was not at all surprising once DickRod got the Arizona job. We will see if it costs Pitt and commits, but I doubt the impact will be particularly harsh.

And now, we have something else to keep a close watch on over the next couple of weeks. I don’t know if Pitt will give Norvell the full job of OC. I think we all know there are going to be a lot of resumes coming from Happy Valley.

 





I hope Pitt accepts no resumes from Happy Valley

Comment by Timmeh 12.04.11 @ 9:38 pm

An extra game against SMU is cool with me! Its just like an interesting non conference game. I can’t wait and I hope they beat the pony express!

The season could’ve been worse considering whats gone on at PSU and Syracuse

Comment by mike 12.04.11 @ 9:46 pm

+ how could a rematch of the 1983 Cotton bowl kick total ass!!!

Comment by mike 12.04.11 @ 9:53 pm

I dont think we hire anyone from penn state but SMU runs the spred offence and i bet we pay more than SMU. but i dont like loseing our head of recruting at this time of year i hope we dont lose players.
and you know urban meyer has been in touch with rushel shell this all very bad timeing
not good for a new coach and a new system.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.04.11 @ 9:53 pm

You know what, I’d try to go to the game if it was anywhere near a holiday. I could do a side trip from visiting family in TN if it was between christmas and new years, or maybe a day or two after new years. But January 7th, the week after almost everyone in the US has come back from vacation?? I get that it’s made for TV, but they must really not want people to travel to the game, no matter what fanbase it is.

Comment by Dalek 12.04.11 @ 9:53 pm

Agree Timmeh.

Why would PITT want any association with Phile State. Heck they finished tied for 1rst in their Little 11 division (what are the 2 divisions, Perverts & Pedophiles), and no bowl wanted them, but a FIRST TIME EVER PLAYED BOWL. Something called the Ticket City or Ticket Stub Bowl, whatever.

We certainly don’t want their OC, as their offense was worse than ours. (hard to believe such as it is). I’m not a big fan of co-coordinators anyway, just let the Mike Norvell guy handle it. I’m sure the play calling would be better than this year with just one OC.

LSU/Alabama in Title Game.
The Byline for this game should be: SnoozeFest 2

Did these bowl morons screw Boise State again, not only does a Top 15 team that’s 11-1 get sent to the Las Vegas Bowl, but they matched them up against a middling 6-6 Ariz. State team. I hope Boise routs them. TCU, another good team gets the lovely Poinsettia Bowl against La Tech?

While two crummy 6-6 teams (Ohio St & Florida) get a new year’s day bowl, the Gator. What a joke. So contrived, the Suburban Urban Coming & Going Bowl. What a farce !

12 other 6-6 teams going bowling so I don’t feel so bad now that Pitt is too! Chas send a nasty note to Cookie for singling us out. But then praise him for his Sunseri should transfer article. haha

Hail To Pitt !

Comment by Emel 12.04.11 @ 10:07 pm

Don’t worry Dalek,

it’s just a made for TV event, as in ESPN needs to fill in some programming time. Agree it’s a totally asinine date, when everyone is back from traveling for the holidays and back at work.

Comment by Emel 12.04.11 @ 10:11 pm

Chas, We had people on the staff from West Virginia this season, so I guess no one can complain if have we an assistant or two from Penn State. This like something out of Ghost Busters, cats and dogs living together.

Oh well, as long as we get the right people who can recruit, who can coach, and who can help the program, I don’t care if they come from the moon.

Comment by Justinian 12.04.11 @ 10:18 pm

I want no Ped State coaches but I would like some of their players, especially their #2 QB, when they get the death penalty, which they so richly deserve!

Comment by Dan 72 12.04.11 @ 10:27 pm

Their #2 QB would be a fit for Graham’s offense but don’t count on the death sentence

Comment by wbb 12.04.11 @ 10:30 pm

Dan, I highly doubt that we’re going to end up with any of the current Penn State coaches.

Then again, ‘who’d have thunk’ that we would have Rich Rod’s guys on the Pitt Staff?

Comment by Justinian 12.04.11 @ 10:35 pm

Happy to be playing SMU!!!

Did not like the thought of some of the “projections”, having us play something called FIU, and a couple places having us playing Western Michigan.

I’ll take SMU.

I wouldn’t get to upset about losing some coaches. I used too, then you realize after years and years of watching college football, pretty much happens to everyone every couple years or so.

College assistants is an extremely fluid situation. Important to get good replacements of course, but don’t go to nilly willy over it.

Look at coach Howland and Dixon, they lost someone just about every year, we/I worry, “oh no, he was a great recruiter”, then the next guy comes in, and we get great recruits from another section of the country.

I’m not saying it’s “nothing”, but, it’s up to coach Graham to find some excellent replacements.

Comment by Dan 12.04.11 @ 10:38 pm

One good thing about playing SMU is that they will not recognize Graham’s watered down offense, while Graham should have a pretty good feel for what they do.

I wonder if TG will make a run at his former OC.

Comment by Cnorwood 12.04.11 @ 10:44 pm

COACHS for you all to think abought TONY FRANKLIN
he teachs the spread offense.
Paul petrino offense coordinator spread
Zack Azzanni western kentucky spread
Gregg Brandon wyoming
these are all coachs TG should look at.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.04.11 @ 10:49 pm

Please don’t ever mention Gregg Brandon with Pitt. His BGSU team may have beat us, but he is most known for ruining the BGSU team and offense that Urban Meyer left behind…

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.04.11 @ 11:03 pm

Please don’t ever mention Gregg Brandon with Pitt. His BGSU team may have beat us, but he is most known for ruining the BGSU team and offense that Urban Meyer left behind…

Turner Gill is looking for a job as well… He was supposed to be the next big thing the year before we were looking for a coach.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.04.11 @ 11:04 pm

Gregg Braandon is one of the coachs MEYERis looking at for ohio state may be he is just not good as a head coach.
TONY FRANKLIN is a older coach with some tie in with louisiana tech but he make so mutch money teaching the spread to outher coachs he may not want to coach agein at a big school as a offense coordinator .
all these coachs are on meyers list but he has room for just one offense cordinator if they are on meyers list then they should be on TGs list also becuse they must be good.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.04.11 @ 11:22 pm

This was a good weekend for Pitt football and Pitt FB alumni — bowl eligibility, a decent opponent, Palko won a game as a starter in the NFL and Stevens-Howlings had the winning score for AZ in OT.

Oh, and the BB win at Ut wasn’t bad either.

Comment by Dalek 12.04.11 @ 11:49 pm

Turn down a bowl!?! Is Smiczik crazy?

Comment by Digdug(Formerly Dugdog) 12.04.11 @ 11:51 pm

I like the matchup with SMU too.

I’m thinking about going. So, if there’s any way to get some travel info up here, I’d appreciate it.

I sure hope we don’t lose Shell! That would really suck!!

I don’t see Tino transferring anywhere. Like it or not, He’s a Pitt man from a Pitt family and he’s here to stay.

Birmingham here we come!

Hail to Pitt!!

Comment by Steelfan 12.04.11 @ 11:54 pm

Wow, I’m really surprised at folks so against taking assistant coaches from PSU if the powers-that-be in State College clear house. Obviously they know the area and how to recruit.

Comment by Kyle 12.05.11 @ 12:19 am

A few opinion points:

Any of the current PSU staff are going to be radioactive for at least a few years. I don’t see any way Nordenberg and the BOT will allow the football program to hire them… not at PITT. Some other schools more distant and with less emotional ties than PITT has with PSU probably will though.

Coaching changes happen – this is no big deal at all. I’ll bet that even with the RR familiarity there is a pay raise in there for those departing assistants. I like Norvell and hope he gets the OC job. I’ve a feeling a lot of those strange offensive play calls came from Magee thinking he had the same caliber personnel here as he did at WVU.

Dews had no impact really and Gibson could be the one we miss the most. IMO the DBs did very well, especially some who I thought were destined for mediocrity like Antwuan Reed.

As far as recruiting goes very few recruits switch because the staff who recruited them is gone. The keys for a recruit are 1) The HC 2) the possibility of PT in a certain system 3) The University itself and 4) the football conference. None of those factors are going to change. I don’t think we’ll see many changes. Shell going to OSU is more PITT fan’s fears than anything else.

Don’t underestimate the strength of Todd Graham’s recruiting power and his charisma. I’ve heard that he knocks over recruits parents when selling PITT as a school they want their son to attend and graduate from. Just as DW did. The University itself plays a bigger role in recruiting then most fans think – especially with those mid-western & southern kids who would end up going to a school with far less academic chops than us. Parents, and almost as importantly, Grandparents love that.

Graham’s done a very good recruiting job so far under way more negative pressure than just some assistant coaches leaving. If he could put together that first class with the Heywood incident and one month to work then we’ll be fine on that front now and in the future.

DigDoug is correct, Smizik is crazy and this is one of those time he gets so full of himself and his self-centered moralizing that he comes across as sounding like a buffoon. Of course PITT should accept a bowl bid. They won enough games to be eligible for an invitation, the players on the rosters played thier hearts out for the opportunity and we have every right, and obligation actually, to accept the bid.

6-6 is a disappointing season and to some it was an abject failure (I’m not one of those BTW) so the people who rail against PITT accepting a invitation are projecting what they think they would do. PITT isn’t some football powerhouse who stands on an impeccable won lost record to turn their nose up at a bowl. There are none of those programs any longer folks… not when millions of dollars are being trown around for a chance to play one more game. Just look at 6-6 OSU and 6-6 Florida – think they are having second thoughts?

Go to Birmingham, have fun, play hard and win!

Comment by Reed 12.05.11 @ 6:51 am

what you need more than position coaches are recruiters …i.e., Tony Gibson, Jeff Hafley, etc.

Ain’t going to happen but if T Bradley or Teryl Austin were available, you’d take either in a second due to their track record in Western PA.

Graham should have ties to recruit the southwest .. I only hope he can get people to recuit PA, Ohio and Florida

Comment by wbb 12.05.11 @ 8:08 am

For those of you that didn’t see, Rushel Shell posted this on twitter:

“Why does ohio state keep tryin to contact me don’t they see the blue n gold runnin thru my veins #h2p”

So, it doesn’t look like were losing him

link to twitter.com

Comment by Pedro Salgado 12.05.11 @ 8:17 am

Yeah, that was my spin on Rushel Shell too. He’s focused on TD’s record book and getting his own stadium and street named after him in Hopewell Twp. too!

Following in Tony’s footsteps to Pitt is only appropriate. I just hope that he makes a debut as powerful as TD did back in the day. That was a season to remember right from the Georgia game to our first bowl game in like forever. (And that was back when they didn’t have 30 bowl games to offer post season play).

SMU will be a good team to play against in the Compass Bowl in Birmingham. And of course what better city to travel to for a bowl game than Birmingham? That place is awesome!!!

I’ve already got the hot spots picked out for dining and nightlife. They got a new Applebee’s just down from the stadium, a great super Walmartfor all my party supplies and a rockin 7-Eleven right up pass the Super 8 motel I’ll be staying at that has a nice selection of beers in the cooler. Bowlin in Birmingham,,,,,PRICELESS!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.05.11 @ 8:44 am

Notwithstanding the legacy with DRod, it speaks volumes that these three coaches cut ties with TG after one year at Pitt to leave. Think about that. If it was one coach, I would say it was nothing more than loyalty, friendship, etc. But three? Knowing personally how difficult it is to uproot your family and move, this is no small development. Tells me something about TG, and it ain’t good. All he has showed me so far is he is a blustering snake oil salesman who is every bit as bad on Saturdays as his predecessor was. Even Wanny would not single out players at a post game news conference as the reason for a loss. I think these three guys are jumping ship because Stevee hire another pig in a poke. Just venting, and I hope I am wrong, but TG should take some advice about the first rule of holes: when you are in one, stop digging.

Comment by wally 12.05.11 @ 8:49 am

Reed, Nice informative post. But I’m with wwb should Tom Bradley or Tyrel Austin become available. Hey Todd Graham created a position of co-offensive coordinator for Calvin Magee. And Reed to your comment about Bob Smizik, he a curmudgion and the most pessimistic writer ever. None of us really pay attention to what he says.

Comment by Justinian 12.05.11 @ 8:57 am

I stopped reading Smizass and Cook years ago, they are just too abrasive and I think they get off on pissing people off.

So why read their half assed thoughts!

Comment by Jim from Dallas 12.05.11 @ 9:06 am

It speaks nothing about Graham that these coaches are leaving. We’re talking about life-long RichRod guys who were pretty much picked up off the unemployment line last year. It was a great opportunity for Pitt to get their services for a year, but everyone knew that as soon as RichRod got a job, they’d likely be going with him. To say otherwise is to be grasping at straws.

Comment by JW 12.05.11 @ 9:12 am

Although I’m not happy about how things went this season, I’m not ready the throw in the towel. The Panthers had an adnormal number of injuries this year, including the loss of Ray Graham and the two top offensive linemen. They went through radical changes in everything and had all the injuries. Comming into this year, we all knew that it would be a transition year. Ray Graham sparkled and it seemed like they were making headway.

Comment by Justinian 12.05.11 @ 9:13 am

I think think losing these coaching is much of an impact. Graham should have some vision and hire some young innovative coaches.

Comment by Pittastic 12.05.11 @ 9:24 am

I meant I “don’t” think.

Comment by Pittastic 12.05.11 @ 9:25 am

Wally,

That is some fantastic work at trying to circumvent all logic and reason to see things your way.

Magee was with DickRod from 2001-2010.
Gibson started in 1999 with DickRod.
Dews was a grad asst. from 1999-2001 and then joined him in Michigan from 2007-2010.

Long histories with DickRod going back at least a decade. Working with the guy for years. He gets a new HC job and they go running back to him.

Yet somehow that is all because they are seeing through Todd Graham — and of course it all Pederson’s fault.

And the kicker, “I hope I am wrong.”

Comment by chas 12.05.11 @ 9:30 am

No surprise these coaches are bolting. They were raised in the Dickrod tree and have no loyalty to any program. And you can bet the first time Toddy gets any kind of offer outside of Pittsburgh he will be bolting too. Although if Sunseri is his QB again next year he will end up coaching high school again before too long.

I was never convicned that Pitt needed to hire a “Pitt guy” but those seem to be the guys that are willing to fully commit to a University and a program with less alterior motives. Toddy talks a big game about Pitt and being “Pitt men” but I still feel like hes trying to sell me the rustproofing and extended warranty…I just cant buy his BS sales lines.

Comment by Coach Ditka 12.05.11 @ 9:58 am

The penn state coachs are not spred coachs and we dont need defence we lost offense coachs so get over your penn state envy they would not fit the system any way.
Paul Petrino is out at illinois he has run the spred and he is not poison as the penn state coachs will be for a few years.
and i think you are wrong abought loseing these coachs and recuting one of them was in charge of recruting and kids do go to a school becuse they like a coach do you remmber how TG and these same coachs took kids from tulsa and micnagain when they came here and the players dick rod wants are the same kind of players TG wants they might even go after our 4 star QB he would fit well with dick rod you all need to wake up they will take our kids if they can.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.05.11 @ 9:58 am

It’s amazing the conclusions you can draw without silly little things like facts getting in the way.

Comment by Pitt89 12.05.11 @ 9:59 am

FWIW, Graham went out of his way to see that his asst coaches were handsomely paid, and McGee (and possibly the others) were given 5 year agreements which are pretty long for assistants.

Nonetheless, there was apparently too much history with DickRod for these assistants. However, Partridge agreed to stay another year at Pitt before departing for a better job at Wisconsin, and Rhoads stayed another year before leaving for Auburn.

There is no exact science here .. aside that an asst coach at ASU is probably a better job than an asst at Pitt

Comment by wbb 12.05.11 @ 10:10 am

I’m interested to see if Norvell takes over as sole OC or if TG decides to bring in someone else to help with those duties.

I’m as frustrated as the next Pitt fan but I see a lot of good from this season. The team played hard, they fought through a lot of injuries and at the end of the day, the program is moving forward.

Would I rather be in the Orange Bowl, certainly. But regardless of how much it helps, I’ll take the extra practice time and the Compass Bowl any day over not going to a bowl game.

This team will find its way. We had a lot of close loses. No one can objectively watch the Pitt v. WVU game and say didn’t belong. We lost by one point at Morgantown after sustaining injury after injury. And guess what, WVU is in the Orange Bowl playing Clemson. So, we are not far off. Yes, we have issues that need to be addressed but we are progressing.

TG has come in and busted his ass to make this a better team. Yes, we all question some in-game coaching decisions. How could you not throughout an entire season? But we were handicapped at some positions and that is just reality. TG is hitting the recruiting hard, he is bringing intensity and passion and he is setting expectations high. To me that is refreshing. No one needs to win more than TG and atleast he isn’t running from that responsibility.

Can’t wait to watch against SMU. H2P!

Comment by JAM 05 Pitt 12.05.11 @ 10:11 am

Hi Ya’all! I went to the BBVA game last year in Birmingham and had a good time – Pitt won! I’m going this year and happy to go. I would have rather gone to the Orange Bowl but… maybe next year.

Pitt has a very good football team and not only deserves to go to a bowl game but feel they had a chance to win several games but our coaching held us back. Hopefully, the coaches leaving are the reason…

As I mentioned in my earlier posts, I was disappointed in Todd’s performance as a head coach. Tino covered for many of his mistakes, now the honeymoon is over for him. Arizona has deeper pockets than Pitt. Rodriquez offered Todd’s assistants more money and they uprooted their families for warmer pastures; it’s always about the $$, always.

Tino earned the right to start against SMU but Todd should play other QB’s as well as other underclassmen. This is the first game for next season; it will be good practice for the returning players. All players, coaches and alumni should have fun and enjoy themselves. I’ll be there having fun and cheering Pitt on to victory. HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 12.05.11 @ 10:15 am

Frank, I realize “all of the above.” Todd Graham will pick assistant coaches who are good fits for his program. This time he doesn’t have to put together an entire staff from scratch, on very short notice. Also Todd Graham held out until the university opened up the check book for the assistants. They can pay the assistant coaches very well and should be able to get good people. If I’m not mistaken he recieved a 5 year commitment from the university.

Comment by Justinian 12.05.11 @ 10:30 am

It amazes me how many Pitt fans are willing to blast TG for everything but seem oblivious about his past record. He has gone through multiple assistants over the years, because he’s found great talents like Gus Malzahn and others who were so good that they we’re offered higher level jobs almost immediately. You can’t blame him for that. These current guys were RichRod disciples, and everyone knew they were gone as soon as he got another job, especially one at a higher level program. There’s no reason to beleive that it has anything to do with TG, whether you like him or not. The fact is that TG has always managed to find great assistants his entire career, and he should certianly be able to do it again at Pitt where he has better resources and more money to offer. So, I don’t see that much of an impact, and we may get an upgrade.

Geez, people, take a pill and relax. If you doubt that TG’s offense actually works, just watch some tape of his Tulsa teams who look like lightning in a bottle next to what we’re used to seeing here. Give the guy a chance to get the right players and put it together. Considering that he inherited at team with little talent at QB, a mess of an OL, and average speed on both sides of the ball, I think TG did a reasonable job this year, especially with the rash of key injuries. The defense became dominant, and with just a little bit better execution on a few key plays on offense, we probably win the Big East, even with the 4th qtr meltdowns and inconsistent QB play. If Ray G were in there all season, you could easily beleive we have 3 more wins. There were also a lot of talented freshman on the field making an impact as well, which tells you the guy can recruit good players to eventually build his team.

However, some Pitt fans continue to have unrealistic expectations – or just like being miserable. To be fair, there have been some calls on the part of the coaches that have left me scratching my head, but far fewer than there were under Wanny – everyone seems to forget about those. I don’t know if TG will ultimately succeed here or not, but right now there’s no reason to beleive that things aren’t moving in the right direction. I’m excited to see what this team looks like when we get guys like Schell and Voytik in there. If we are still blowing leads and taking 10 sacks a game in two years then I’ll join in the TG bashing, but I suspect that won’t be the case.

Comment by Steve 12.05.11 @ 10:44 am

I remember reading a piece on ESPN about Rich Rod getting the Arizona job and his comments on putting together a staff. In the article he mentioned that he would like to get MaGee and Gibson, but that they had terrific deals at Pitt. No doubt he used the deals they had here, to get Arizona to up the ante, for more money, to get the people he wanted.

Comment by Justinian 12.05.11 @ 10:50 am

I was through with Cook and Smizik when each bragged about voting for Jason White in the Heisman race over Fitzgerald. Neither had a good reason, something like not wanting to look like a homer.

Comment by Jaimz 12.05.11 @ 10:56 am

Greg Davis sr texas offensive coorinator for 13 years ran the spread

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.05.11 @ 10:59 am

cook and smizik idiots

Comment by 63 Team 12.05.11 @ 11:03 am

Also, what is the deal with Smizik anyway? What does he actually do? Looks to me like all he does is make links pointing to articles written by other people, and occasionally comments on someone’s blog response. I wish I could get the PG to pay me to do a pointless job like that.

Comment by Steve 12.05.11 @ 11:03 am

Jaimz, That’s amazing to hear that both of them voted against Larry Fitzgerald. He was clearly the best player in the country that year and he happened to playing right here at Pitt, where they could see them every week during the season. To not vote him is really being a jag-off.

Comment by Justinian 12.05.11 @ 11:06 am

Dayne Crist from ND planning to transfer. Could Pitt be on his radar? Not really in the QB mold of the Todd Graham offense, but definitely in the anyone’s better than Tino mold.

link to espn.go.com

Comment by JCE 12.05.11 @ 11:09 am

I challenged Smizik in his blog why he voted for White, and his reply was that White was more qualified. As QB for the No. 1 team, he had all of the Heisman hype going for him … the funny thing is that after the vote was taken, he and his team folded and lost their next 2 games. After being No. 1 for most of the year, they didn’t even pla for the national title and White was never heard from again.

Comment by wbb 12.05.11 @ 11:20 am

Don’t think Dane Crist is a much better fit here than he is for ND. For all those that rely on the high school recruiting rankings Crist was the number 2 QB the year he came out.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 12.05.11 @ 11:28 am

What’s the allure of Pitt to Crist? He is a pro QB who was recruited to a pro set QB, started as a soph but lost his job because he is not a fit for a spread offense. Further, Graham’s offense requires more of a running QB than Kelly’s … Pike sure wasn’t a runner.

Comment by wbb 12.05.11 @ 11:38 am

wwb, Larry Fitzgerald was one of the greatest talents to ever wear a Pitt uniform. If you think of rarely a Pitt player is in contention for the Heisman it’s not very often. I can remember only three. Tony Dorsett, Hugh Green, and Larry Fitzgerald. I can’t imagine a sports writer in Georgia not voting for Hershal Walker.

Comment by Justinian 12.05.11 @ 12:08 pm

Graham will most probably put a WPA guy on staff but it won’t be Tom Bradley. I think he’ll look through the HS ranks in this area to be one local recruited.

It’s ludicrous to think that the three staff coaches leaving is in any way an indictment of Todd Graham. As Chas states these guys experienced great success at WVU with RR and, as I say above, I bet that RR’s getting them a nice pay raise.

Wally – you point to how hard it is to uproot family to move after jobs. I had to crack up about that. People in the military move on the average of 18-24 months… Junior Officers in the Army move even more frequently. As do junior executives moving up the corporate ladder. Most of these moves I mention are even lateral assignments with out a pay raise involved. I personally moved my family 10 times in 21 years.

Throw a pay raise in and people will jump at chances to move on. After all, none of those coaches have PGH or PITT ties. Staff coaches can expect to do the exact same thing if they are any good at all. Believe me, that doesn’t factor into their decision making at all.

MariettaMike – I can’t tell if you are joking or are serious in your post above. When you say “Tino covered for many of his (Graham’s) mistakes, now the honeymoon is over for him.” I have to wonder if you mean that Graham can point to Sunseri for the problems he had on offense, if so I can understand that because it’s true.

But if you mean that Sunseri somehow pulled Graham’s ass out of the fire, even once, I’ll say you are grossly mistaken. Please expound as I won’t be able to take my afternoon nap because I’ll be thinking about this and worrying you’ve gone insane.

FRANKCAN – I’ll bet you a dollar RR doesn’t get his hands on any of our committed recruits. OSU and other schools may get some that we are pursuing but haven’t committed to us yet, but that’s life in college football. We’ll get kids that other schools want also.

Comment by Reed 12.05.11 @ 12:33 pm

I hope Graham recruits Larry Johnson Sr and/or McCreedy. Those guys are both great recruiters and they know the region.

McCreedy might be a bit of a stretch – who knows what kind of legal issues he may have to deal with in the coming years, but LJSr would be huge.

Comment by ReedsTaint2011 12.05.11 @ 12:37 pm

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Reed hope you are right abought that but the loseing of coachs does not bother me it is when we lost them that does after letter of intent day would have been better.
and next year even better just dont want to see this fine class lost.
dick rod wants the same kind of kids as does Meyer
if they ran pro sets it would not worry me so mutch.
plus we took i think 5 players from tulsa if they take 5 from us we would be screwed.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.05.11 @ 12:52 pm

All right, “uncle” already, huh? I guess I see the glass as half empty because TG has been such a disappointing blowhard – too much thunder and no rain. I moved 13 times in 20 years and the reason I did was to get ahead. And so, to the extent college athletics mirrors corporate life, these guys view the move to Arizona as a better opportunity than staying here, that’s all. I don’t think anyone can deny that a coach leaving after one year is a ringing endorsement of their current employment conditions. They have worked for DRod and they have worked for TG. They could have decided to leave or stay (TG purportedly negotiated a nice security package for them). They chose to leave. All I am saying is there is more to that than a love affair with DRod and the wild west. How much? Who knows. I guess we will find out. The bottom line is TG has been big hat, no cattle since the day he got here. And, yes, I do hope I am wrong because I want Pitt football to come back as much as anybody on this board or any where else for that matter. And I put my money where my mouth is with four clus seats at Heinz and 6 seats at the Pete. But, every decision TG has made up to this point, including his PR posturing, has been the wrong ones in my view. Pitt is paying 2MM per year to somebody who has scored a lot of points at a second tier conference. That’s it. And, by the way, he, himself, touted that as his forte. So far, he has failed on that front, as well as every other measurable metric including wins and losses. The man didn’t have enough sense to put the brakes on the offense in Iowa when all he had to do was basically take a few knees and Pitt would have won the game, yet that was Tino’s fault too. He got shamed into accepting responsility after he threw kids under the bus (Ron Cook was right about that). Come to think of it, I wouldn’t work for the man either.

Comment by wally 12.05.11 @ 12:55 pm

Just an ironic fact:
As someone with ties to both Pitt & BGSU I have always been fascinated by our loss to BG. We all unfortunately remember the final score from August 2008: BGSU 27, Pitt 17. I (with full Pitt shirt and hat) sat in the BG fan section next to my wife wearing all Orange for the game until my yelling and screaming forced her to move me elsewhere.
We all remember that Pitt actually had a pretty good team that year and how disappointing that game was. BGSU was actually down that year (lost a lot of seniors from the previous year) and went on to struggle to a 6-6 record despite beating us.

Anyone know what BG’s previous game was? They played Todd Graham’s Tulsa in the GMAC Bowl 8 months earlier. Final score: Tulsa 63, BGSU 7.

I have no doubt in my mind that Todd Graham has flaws as a coach. But he can coach and coach well. I think the future is bright.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.05.11 @ 3:45 pm

Anyone here ever been to Tucson? I have. It’s a hole. Good luck to the DickRod lovers.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 12.05.11 @ 4:07 pm

Actually Tucson isn’t that bad of a place to live the weather is great and the White Mountains are only one hour away (great place to visit in order to flee the heat)….don’t hate the city for DickRod.

If you have a chance visit the place! If you want to talk about a “hole” cross the border at Nogales Mexico, you’ll certainly learn the difference.

Comment by Marco 12.05.11 @ 4:35 pm

Chas:
“MariettaMike – I can’t tell if you are joking or are serious in your post above. When you say “Tino covered for many of his (Graham’s) mistakes, now the honeymoon is over for him.” I have to wonder if you mean that Graham can point to Sunseri for the problems he had on offense, if so I can understand that because it’s true.”

Yep, Tino’s lack of improvement at QB and poor judgement gave Todd an out. Now Tino is gone.

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