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August 29, 2011

Parsing the 2-Deep in Week 1

Filed under: Football — Chas @ 10:25 am

The game notes for Buffalo-Pitt are out (PDF). More importantly, the 2-deep is in there (page 4).

Quick things worth noting, before this gets crowd-sourced and parsed to death.

The No. 2 QB is “Trey Anderson or Mark Myers” but with Anderson listed first on there, that is mildly surprising despite the praise in camp.

Probably an old format issue, but Hubie Graham is listed as both the starting Tight End and H-Back. Pitt’s cloning factory started with an Illinois transfer?

The Tailback spot goes five-deep. and there is an “or” after Zach Brown (2nd) to Isaac Bennett (5th)

The Fullback is redshirt freshman Mark Giubilato. Who?

At the Spur (Outside) Linebacker it is Andrew Taglianetti or Todd Thomas as the starter. Bit of a surprise.

The WILL LB is Max Gruder or Tristan Roberts. Sure it is.

At Defensive End, it is Aaron Donald or Justin Hargrove as the starter. Kind of surprised.

Big disappointment, Shayne Hale not on the 2-deep.

Ray Graham, to my relief, is not listed on the 2-deep at kick or punt returns.





Wow another five star (Shane Hayle) bust…go figure, I truly believe Scout.com’s rating system is seriously flawed. This makes two five star players that have not only been subpar, but a complete bust (Hayle & Bostick)…I think it’s time we rely on ESPN or Rivals for our prospect rankings.

Comment by Marco 08.29.11 @ 10:37 am

I have always thought rivals was the best. I had a dream that pitt won its first game 80 to 22 when i first woke up i thougt it was real but then the fog cleared and i said hell it is monday they havent evenplayed a game yet. but it was a nice dream.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.29.11 @ 11:31 am

Ugh, I almost don’t want to waste my breath on this, but: Bostick was not a bust. Not being a superstar does not make someone a bust.

Comment by maz. 08.29.11 @ 11:43 am

[…] will hopefully mean not seeing Gruder being forced into pursuing wide receivers. And sure enough in the 2-deep, it includes true freshman LaQuentin Smith backing up […]


The two-deep while a little surprising seems to meet Graham’s every position is earned every day mantra. I like it because it increases the competition and rewards those that excel. The “or” is used for motivation purposes.

Comment by Kenny 08.29.11 @ 1:16 pm

just goes to show that if you are tall, strong, fast and receive offers from the likes of OSU, you are are going to get a high rating

Comment by wbb 08.29.11 @ 1:45 pm

Hale is beginning his junior (eligible) year. Dorin Dickerson was considered a bust until his senior year …just sayin’

Comment by wbb 08.29.11 @ 1:47 pm

I am not going to argue if Bostick was a “bust” or not. I like the kid and hope he does well in the broadcast booth. However, recruiting rankings are what they are, a crapshoot.

Look at the Top 10 QBs in Bostick’s class (from Rivals):
1. Clausen: In the NFL
2. Mallet: In the NFL
3. John Brantley: Starting at UF, sturggled last year
4. Mike Paulus: Signed @ UNC now playing at William and Mary
5. Peter Lalich: Transferred, now at Cal (not the Berkley version)
6. Pat Bostick: Radio Broadcaster/Grad Student
7. Jarret Lee: Starting for LSU only b/c the starter kicked a guy in the head. Career back-up
8. Robert Marve: Part of UM scandal, at Purdue
9. Steven Threet: Out of the sport due to concussions
10. BJ Coleman: At Chattanooga now…

I bring this up b/c:
A) I am bored at work
B) It just goes to show rankings mean next to nothing. Out of the top 10 QBs in ’07, 2 are in the NFL, 2 are starters @ the D-1 level (one b/c of a suspension to the starter) and the rest did little to nothing.

That’s why Pitt fans (including myself) need to temper the enthusiasm for Voytik.

Comment by Roman 08.29.11 @ 1:59 pm

Bostick was never given a chance. Why he didn’t transfer a’la Joe Flacco is beyond me. But, as someone who immensely enjoyed his two giant wins as QB, I’m glad he didn’t. (Who knows if we wouldn’t have enjoyed more if he had been at the helm?)

Comment by Bobby 08.29.11 @ 2:07 pm

Another question. We have moved to South Carolina and I am wondering if, aside from nationally broadcast games, if there is a way to catch every game on TV? It looks like the subscription you can buy through Panthers.com only gives you access to each game’s radio feed. Am I doomed in this respect? And seeing as how it is 2011 I’m amazed that some college-aged tech geeks haven’t figured out how to broadcast games via their cellphones to iPads across the land to make a buck.

Comment by Bobby 08.29.11 @ 2:10 pm

Bobby, I live in Atlanta & depending on your Satellite/Cable/Internet provider, you can get every game. I have Comcast internet and DirecTV. ESPN3 will have the Buffalo and Maine games online. If you get the SportsPak from DirecTV one of the Fox Sports channels from NY, Ohio, etc will pick up the Pitt games not on one of the main networks.

Comment by Roman 08.29.11 @ 2:35 pm

@ Bobby, I’m in the Carolinas as well. As Roman said, either Direct TV or Dish is the way to go.
The Direct TV Sports Pack gives you all the former & current Fox Sports channels plus ESPNU and it gives you the YES Network & MSG and one of those or both carry the BigEast Game of the week, which at least last year usually had Pitt on. Here’s a link to check it out.

link to directv.com

Comment by melvinbennett 08.29.11 @ 2:56 pm

@Bobby again,

I agree with you, after Bostick was thrown in there as a true freshmen and mind you, quarterbacked the team to the famous 13-9 win over the Hoopies and then was thrown into one game,(only game he appeared in that year other than the one series he played in that infamous 0-3 Sun Bowl) when Stull was hurt the next year and again quarterbacked the team to a huge road win over Notre Dame. He was conveniently redshirted as a Junior (somewhat unheard of unless injured) and then politely told that he couldn’t compete for the starting job. Pat being a good kid and a real team player, kept his mouth shut and Pitt took care of him. That’s how things work in the real world.

Comment by melvinbennett 08.29.11 @ 3:08 pm

Which all means, Pat Bostick was NOT a bust. Quarterbacking Pitt to it’s two biggest victories in the Wannstedt era does not equate to that.
A better way of describing Pat Bostick’s career at Pitt is: his promise wasn’t fulfilled. But he will always have a ‘special place’ in Pitt football lore.

Comment by melvinbennett 08.29.11 @ 3:16 pm

Who in the heck is Mark Giubilato?

Comment by dugdog 08.29.11 @ 6:45 pm

As per Graham’s press conference today Trey Anderson would be the next QB in after Sunseri. The news from the camp about Anderson and this decision today pretty much cements for me the fact that Graham is going to stick to his system with a QB who can run it like he envisions.

I don’t doubt that if Gonzales was able to play and still at QB he’d be next after Anderson.

Before anyone panics Trey Anderson throws a real nice ball in addition to his rushing ability, at least that is what the videos of training camp have shown as well as staff reports.

Comment by Reed 08.29.11 @ 8:48 pm

Mark Giubilatois our fullback.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.29.11 @ 9:50 pm

Roman, I think part of the enthusiasm about Voytik is that he is such a perfect fit for Graham’s offense. This is Graham’s first actual recruiting class and to be able to target a player with unique and necessary skills and land him so quickly is a good thing.

Comment by Reed 08.30.11 @ 7:59 am

Voytik’s Cleveland HS Football team has started out 0-2. They lost the opener to Alcoa 21-0 which was not surprising because Alcoa is a 7 time defending state champ. Cleveland lost the second game to Knoxville Catholic 37-21. Knoxville has lost to the eventual state champ the past 4 seasons in the playoffs and has had several undefeated regular seasons.

In the first game Chad was 11 for 20 w/2 picks and about 120 yds., the second was 16-31 w/3 picks, 1td and 241 yds.

Beyond playing two great teams believe that two things come to mind as for the Cleveland team: 1) They have young running backs 2) Their o and d lines are struggling.

Will know better after Friday as they are playing a local team who is decent but not Alcoa or Knox Catholic calibre. The game is in Cleveland and it is tough to come in and win there.

Comment by Kenny 08.30.11 @ 11:50 am

If Anderson runs like Tito who certainly does not scare opponents with his elusiveness and looks are not everything but the photo in the paper suggests he probably would tie Tito in a footrace, and if he could throw the ball at the D1 level why wasn’t he recruited. As I said before Graham is a master of salesman and I hope I am wrong but I fear he is over his head since he has never coached big time college football and is convinced it is formations not talent that wins ball games.

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