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June 24, 2011

Basketball Summer School: Ashton Gibbs, Senior

Filed under: Basketball,Players — SilverPanther in NYC @ 2:13 pm

Welcome to Pitt Basketball Summer School. A look at individual Panther players and what they need to do to get better — and by extension make Pitt a better team for the 2011-12 season. Brought to you by SilverPanther in NYC.

Intro:
Today we look at 2010-11 First Team All-Big East senior guard Ashton Gibbs, the Panther’s leading scorer for the past two years. Did you know he practices shooting a lot? Also, he’s a snazzy dresser.

What he gave us last year:
Well to begin with, 522 points or about 17 per game. He shot 47% from the field and 49% from beyond the arc. 89% at the line. I’ve heard people call him a 1-trick pony in an almost pejorative sense, but his 1-trick happens to be the ability to shoot accurately from anywhere on the court. Ashton Gibbs is just a flat-out great shooter. He has no preference for a particular spot, can shoot off a pick, flat-footed, or stop and pop. I just don’t recall Jason Mathews having the ability to shoot like this. There were games when Ashton was quiet, when he was off, and when he was just completely marked. But in Pitt’s 28 wins, he was usually a key factor- and often THE factor.

While not a flashy ballhandler, he managed to be a deft one, capable of bringing the ball up the court and pass it off to Wanamaker in Pitt’s slightly unconventional 1-2 guard setup. Occasionally Pitt did run into some problems when teams brought hard or even nominal pressure on Gibbs all the way up the court. He would handle it without turning the ball over, but the offense lost time on the shot clock, and thus, the ability to run more screens or set-up shots. Still, Ashton is typically of steady and deliberate hands. He rarely made a mistake pass or took an ill-advised shot. He’s a shooter, not a gunner. And he rarely forces an issue. Last year he showed more athletic ability than in the past by mostly getting craftier through the use of stutter steps, pump fakes, and occasional lateral slides. He’s not far behind Sam Young’s pantomime ball fake, except that Ashton uses it to get the defender off his feet and then throws himself into it for a shooting foul- whereas Young used it to get by a defender.

Defensively, Gibbs takes a no-risk approach. He’s fundamentally sound and tries to use his feet to stay in front of his man. He rarely reaches in and rarely even commits a foul. Other than positioning, he doesn’t provide much on help defense. Obviously, what he lacks is speed, quickness, and the athletic jumping ability to make him an above average defender. He will always lack that lock-down capability. The team could often compensate for this with more aggressive athletic wing defenders in Wanamaker and Brown. But occasionally Gibbs would get isolated and burned. In the end, with Ashton, we assume the trade-off of a steady, competent, low-risk-taking team defender and a deadeye shooter.

Summer School:
It was said that between his sophomore and junior seasons Coach Dixon tasked Ashton to become a better athlete. This is wholly possible through conditioning, weightlifting, plyometric drills, etc. And Gibbs did seem to have more moves and more fluidity to his movement than as an underclassman. Now, after testing the NBA draft waters, I’m sure that the same athletic imperative was made clear to him in regards to this summer between his junior and senior seasons. In order to make it at the next level, Ashton will have to do a better job of getting by people, making his teammates better, and by doing a better job of staying in front of people on defense. The shooting we know is there, but his body control and court vision will need to get better as Ashton reconciles his personal career goal with his important role on Pitt. He’ll be playing in a more natural position than in past years and will still have a green light to shoot. It’s just that, for Pitt’s sake, the buck cannot always just stop at him. Last year there were a number of late shot clock violations or unfavorable throw-up shots that resulted in critical turnovers. His ability to break open or create a shot off the dribble or find a teammate in the face and body of the man marking him, will be a key indicator of how far the hard work, he is sure to be putting into his game, is paying off.

It goes without saying that any more improvement in his athletic prowess will pay dividends in his game. Offensively, it will allow him to create for himself, fight off defenders, shoot off-balanced, and make more aggressive, foul drawing, moves to the basket. More time at the free throw line would be nice. Defensively, he can improve his 1-on-1 game, including chasing around screens. But let’s face it, he’s not going to come out of the summer with anymore particular grace, finesse, and quickness. It will most likely be improvements in his craftiness and abilities to play off the attention he gets from his accurate shooting…and a lot more hard work.

Conclusion:
If we presume Woodall to start at the PG spot and Gibbs to play his natural SG, then we will have a small, potentially “defensive challenged” backcourt. Wanamaker and Brown are no longer around to pick up the athletic wing guards we’ll face in the Big East and whether Lamar Patterson, JJ Moore, or one of the freshman are capable of handling a tough defensive role and being on the court late in games is a big question mark for Pitt next season. Will it mean that Dixon switches to more zone as he did late last season? Will it mean that Gibbs switches back to the point in favor of someone other than Woodall in the backcourt?

On the more optimistic side, another year like last year and Ashton Gibbs will shoot his way into the top 10 all-time Pitt scorers, a possible All-American candidacy, and a lot of thrilling wins. I have never let my eyes deceive me regarding his athletic abilities nor ignored his statistical success against the high level of competition Pitt regularly faces. But I sat courtside under the basket at MSG for the St. John’s game and came away more impressed than ever with Ashton as a ballplayer. Ok, maybe not as an elite athlete, but he didn’t just hit shots off of screens in that game and the St. John’s guards were no defensive, nor athletic slouches. He’s not just a 1-trick pony. He can flat out score. It will be interesting to see how far all his hard work and determination will drive both Pitt’s fate this year and his professional fate beyond.

SPinNYC





I disagree with the post that he is not a one-trick pony. I actually don’t take that as a negative remark on his game. His one skill (shooting) is in the top 1% of college basketball. You’d be hard pressed to find another player that can flat out shoot the ball like Ashton Gibbs in college. He reminds me of a poor man’s Rip Hamilton and that is a compliment.

His game outside of shooting is mediocre at best. He is an average (being generous) ball handler for a guard, is not quick or overly athletic, cannot get to the rim and finish, and defensively he is suitable yet unspectacular.

All of that being said, he is an amazing asset at the college level and I am very, very glad we have him coming back.

Comment by Roman 06.24.11 @ 2:26 pm

The shot clock violation in the last full possession vs Butler still haunts me, much more than Nasir’s foul. While I look forward to see Ashton play as a SG and not the point, I hope our defense doesn’t suffer too much.

Maybe with the likes of Birch and Taylor (who can also block shots) Dixon should have his guards overplay on defense, and welcome the opponents in trying to penetrate .. I believe Calhoun often does this.

Comment by wbb 06.24.11 @ 2:32 pm

If your one trick is “score points efficiently,” I’ll take a few of those ponies on my team. Can’t wait to see Ashton score this year.

Comment by merlin 06.24.11 @ 3:15 pm

Someone in an earlier comment raised the most interesting question about Gibbs for this season.

What role will his NBA interest/feedback play in the upcoming season?

Surely he got feedback from the “NBA”, whoever that is, about where he needs to improve in order to be drafted next year. I would be curious to know what that was, what he’s thinking and IF THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE FEEDBACK AND WHAT HE’S GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO FOR PITT NEXT SEASON.

My guess is that the NBA sees him as a point guard. So, he needs to be able to show them that he can create for others. I would also guess that he needs to show more athleticism, that’s a tough one. And he’ll need to improve his defense, good for Pitt.

The obvious conflict is PG. It will be better for Pitt to have Gibbs play the SG most of the time.

Jimmer Fredette was in a very similar position last year. He tested the NBA waters after his junior year. The NBA gave him the same speech they gave Ashton. He got stronger and went out an LIT IT UP his senior year. But to do it, he played the point and totally dominated the ball. He took MOST (all) of BYU’s shots. It worked, because he played great, the team didn’t have much else, and THEY WON.

I don’t think the winning formula for Pitt next year will be to have Gibbs take the MAJORITY of the shots. And if Dixon agrees and Gibbs doesn’t, can he get Gibbs to buy in? Can he get Gibbs to sublimate his NBA aspirations for what’s best for the team? Or better, can Jamie make Ashton believe the two are completely aligned?

I hope so and I think so, but it should be interesting. Hopefully they’ve already had that conversation.

Comment by boubacar aw 06.24.11 @ 3:28 pm

boubacar, a very valid question. I honestly believe that this very issue affected at least two of our FB players last fall who pretty much knew that they were heading to the NFL.

Comment by wbb 06.24.11 @ 3:34 pm

He can score, no doubt about that, but he is a little slow of foot, a very, very good college player who will lead Pitt in scoring this year as a SG.

He will make a good living over-seas playing basketball, he doesn’t have enough athletic ability to contribute in the NBA.

Comment by BBW 06.24.11 @ 3:41 pm

off topic but FYI … Pitt recruit Trenton Coles is with that group of area high school players in Durham where the Gateway player was killed last night … but wasn’t present at the shooting.

Comment by wbb 06.24.11 @ 4:03 pm

another fb recruit .. another LB … another player recruited by MAC schools (apparently runs a blazing 4.7 based on te write-up)

link to pittsburghlive.com

Comment by wbb 06.24.11 @ 7:47 pm

3 star commit today link to insider.espn.go.com

Comment by Tony C 06.24.11 @ 8:28 pm

Ashton has done nothing to indicate that he won’t be a team player and buy into Dixon’s system again this year. Dixon, however, is very loyal and may want to put Gibbs in the best situation to get drafted and that would be playing the point. I think Woodall starts but I would not be shocked at all if Gibbs is there.

I could definitely see this lineup.

PG Gibbs
SG Patterson
SF Robinson
PF Zanna
C Taylor

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 06.24.11 @ 8:32 pm

Not concerned about Gibbs’ role on the team this year. He will never be a PG in the NBA. He wasn’t even really our PG last year (Wanamaker and Woodall were 80% of the time). That position has changed so dramatically over the past 4-6 years. Coveted PGs in the NBA are 6-4 plus, crazy athletic and can score from anywhere on the court, particularly at the rim a la Derrick Rose. He will be a solid NBA role player, spot up shooter, mid-range to anywhere on the court. Which is what he was told by every NBA team he talked to a month ago and is what every NBA team will tell him 11 months from now.

He will end up being one of the best ever at Pitt, but let’s not get too crazy.

Comment by Cnorwood 06.24.11 @ 10:16 pm

For next year, the easy (obvious) answer is to plug Patterson into Brad’s role, Moore into Gil’s, and Taylor in Gary’s.

Then you can slide Birch/Gilbert into Taylor’s back up role, Zanna stays the same, Woodall stays the same. Then you figure out a way to have Wright step in to Patterson’s back up role and then let Johnson and Epps battle it for mostly garbage time minutes.

I don’t think that’s the best answer, but it is certainly the easiest.

Comment by boubacar aw 06.25.11 @ 10:59 am

I don’t think this is “obvious” or easy, but it doesn’t sound far-fetched. It would allow Woodall to stay in his role as catalyst off the bench and provides a stronger and taller backcourt defense with Patterson playing the 2. But this puts a lot of pressure on Lamar to run the offense as well as contribute points the way Wanamaker did.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 06.25.11 @ 11:21 am

I only say “easy” and “obvious” because you don’t have to change the the system, the roles or the rotations – all you have to is plug the players into those all too familiar positions.

This “solution” allows for the least amount of change from last year. Four guys will have the EXACT same roles as last year (Gibbs, Woodall, Zanna and Robinson) and three guys just get promoted to starting in the same spots where they backed up last year (Taylor, Moore and Patterson). And the new guys fill in behind.

Again, I am not advocating this approach and totally agree with your comments about why this approach is not ideal: Patterson is not Wanamaker. He doesn’t possess his skill set.

I will tell you that in Greentree, Lamar has trimmed down and is spending a lot of time with the ball in his hands trying to create offense. Dante, on the other hand, has bulked up and spends all of his time in the paint. And they call Moore “Twin”. FWIW

Comment by boubacar aw 06.25.11 @ 11:42 am

Cool stuff. Keep it coming with the Greentree coverage.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 06.25.11 @ 11:47 am

Looking forward to Monday in Greentree. The WVU players are supposed to be there. Taylor’s team will be playing Kilicli’s. That will be very interesting. Would love to see Taylor school him!

Comment by boubacar aw 06.25.11 @ 11:53 am

as I recall, Kilicli won’t remind anyone of Bill Russell on the defensive end. I’m actually just as curious to see how Taylor does defensively.

There were many times last year when Woodall and Gibbs were in the game together last year with Gibbs playing the two. So IMO it’s just as easy to start them in the backcourt.

Comment by wbb 06.25.11 @ 1:23 pm

did you see that the Timberwolves drafted a 26 year old from the Qatar league in the 2nd round who they thought was 21? Last year, they drafted Rubio with their 1st pick who has been just an above average player in Europe.

While there is certainly talent outside of the US, I continued to be amazed at all the picks NBA teams based solely on potential.

Comment by wbb 06.25.11 @ 5:54 pm

Ashton Gibbs will need to average 30 ppg on this edition of the Pitt Panthers

Comment by RandyRandyTime 06.25.11 @ 7:06 pm

i see Malcolm Gilbert C
Dante Taylor PF
Khem Birch SF
Ashton Gibbs SG
Eppy Epps/T Woodhead PG

Comment by RandyRandyTime 06.25.11 @ 7:15 pm

Nazir Robinson for your boneheaded mistake Why dont you transfer away someplace Bonehead!!!!I will NEVER forget!!!

Comment by RandyRandyTime 06.25.11 @ 7:17 pm

RRtime, I’d love to see you on the court in NaSir’s place.

Are you that good? If not, show some respect.

Comment by steve 06.25.11 @ 8:51 pm

Steve, agreed.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 06.25.11 @ 8:54 pm

’15/’16 team

Gilbert, C
Birch, PF
Moore, SF
D. Johnson, SG
J. Johnson, PG

Zanna, Adams, Wright, Ledo off the bench

If they reach their potential – Final Four

Comment by Boubacar aw 06.25.11 @ 9:35 pm

One thing that JD has shown in the past is the “green light” for his proven seniors. I remember him saying that althought they had plays to many players, Sam Young had the freedom to shoot anytime, anywhere. Seemed out of character for JD, but it seemed that way his Senior year at times. And to me, AG should have that same freedom.

With young and unpolished 4s & 5s, Ashton should be chucking up every decent shot we have… I’ll take my chances of our team getting points from AG shooting from outside and Birch/Taylor getting garbage put backs for the 2011/2012 team.

Comment by Pauly P 06.26.11 @ 8:51 am

RRTime…Gilbert starting center? Birch as a WING?? He’s a PF on a good offensive day, a center on most bad ones. Gilbert is going to be slightly better than McGhee was his freshman year (great rebounder, limited offensively), but nowhere near DeJuan. It’s gonna be Taylor, Birch (if not Robinson), Moore/Patterson, Gibbs, Woodall.

Comment by merlin 06.26.11 @ 3:35 pm

Boubecar, how is Moore still eligible in 15/16 … injury redshirt in 13/14? And are you sure the NCAA will grant Zanna a 6th year?

Comment by wbb 06.26.11 @ 4:19 pm

I am thrilled to Have Ashton Gibbs back. We’ve have terrific defensive teams in the past that didn’t go very far in the NCAA Tounament. You have to able to score at the critical time in a game, as well as playing defence. How many times in the past have we seen our Panthers beaten by a player that we just couldn’t stop. With Jamie Dixon’s teams, you don’t really have to worry about the defence. I like having Ashton Gibbs on the court at crunch time.

Comment by Justinian 06.26.11 @ 5:35 pm

Off topic, but Zach Brown from WI has officially decided to play at Pitt.

link to pittsburghlive.com

Comment by blast498 06.26.11 @ 7:07 pm

Sorry, must have been drinking when I typed that, I meant their senior year which is ’13/’14….OOOOPPPS!!!!!

Comment by boubacar aw 06.26.11 @ 7:33 pm

story on JJ Moore in P-G today. He siad that the message is clear .. for him to beat out Patterson at the 3, he will need to improve his defense.

Comment by wbb 06.27.11 @ 7:24 am

Moore seemed lost many times last year on defense. Good to see he is on the right page. I guess we’ll talk more about him in depth later on.

Gibbs should have the green light as soon as the ball gets past mid court this year. Here’s hoping that there is just the right mix between him playing point and SG. His defense reminded me sometimes of Levance Fields, just getting handled by more athletic guards. He is a smart defender and knows his limitations.

Comment by virgil 06.27.11 @ 8:31 am

Moore has the tools to be a good defender. JD’s system is complex, and it seems like few frosh come in as reliable defenders. Sam Young was a brilliant defender by his senior year, but an obvious liability his 1st and even 2nd. Moore can do this at either 2 or 3 spot. I see Patterson as more of a glue guy anyway.

I’m also holding out hope for Taylor to make the junior year jump, because he can be a force if his defense improves.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 06.27.11 @ 11:16 am

RRTime, your starting lineup/following comments show a lot of ignorance and classlessness. Please keep it respectful and stay off of this board if you do not know what your talking about.

Comment by Joe 06.27.11 @ 11:34 am

— on the one-trick pony thing: Gibb’s is also a pretty savvy passer into the posts. Not a creator exactly, but doesn’t get stuck with the ball. He just doesn’t drive a lot, though has increasingly done so and if his athleticism increases, he’ll be able to keep offenses more honst. But i don’t think we’ll need him to do that so much if he can dump off when over-coverd — we have the athletes at every other position.

Comment by PantherP 06.27.11 @ 12:25 pm

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