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June 21, 2011

UPDATED: The Price is Right

Filed under: Football,Recruiting — Victory Lights @ 9:45 am

Officially Official:

 

Before I get to this brief post I wanted to say thank you to Chas for an opportunity to blog on his site.  Hopefully he knew what he was getting into…

Over the weekend it was learned that 4-star LB Ejuan Price from Woodland Hills had asked to be released from his scholarship at Ohio State.  Immediately everyone started talking about whether or not Price would be coming home to Pitt.

It appears to be unofficially official that Price is coming home..  Today the Post-Gazette reported that Woodland Hills coach George Novak stated Pitt has a scholarship for Price and had this to say:

“Pitt is where he wants to go,” Novak said. “Hopefully, he can get all the paper work together and get enrolled in summer classes there.”

Well that’s encouraging,  how can I help get him enrolled in summer classes?  Actually, he can take my summer classes for me if it helps get him here sooner.  For anyone who doesn’t know about Price  here is a quick blurb about the 4-star line backer from Scout.com:

“Price is a devastating tackler who has a very quick first step and closes fast on the ball carrier. He sheds blocks and plays well in traffic. Price moves well laterally tracking down ball carriers sideline to sideline.”

The only negative they have to list about him is his size, specifically only being 5’11” or 6′ tall.  That’s the only negative?  I’ll take it.  I was going to insert a bad photoshop of Bob Barker punching Happy Gilmore with Jim Tressel’s head in this post but really, should you kick someone when they’re down?

Hopefully there will be something officially official soon regarding Price and Pitt, and when it is released hopefully it will be good news.  Only 74 more days till kickoff.  These 74 days “must go faster.”

Small update to the original article as I just saw this tweet:





Good to see Pitt continues to get transfers from other programs. Impatiently waiting for the season to begin and get a glimpse of this new offense and defense. Please Coach Graham, do not disappoint us as Wanny did at the beginning of each season.

Comment by John in South Carolina 06.21.11 @ 11:07 am

Great news for Pitt football and its recruiting class. One of the reasons Price stated earlier for his coming to Pitt was his ability to start in the upcoming season. I don’t know how accurate this is, but then again, we did lose some valuable strikers on defense last year.

Comment by Benzene 06.21.11 @ 11:13 am

You can build a D around this kid. The pieces are starting to come together.

Comment by TX Panther 06.21.11 @ 11:26 am

maybe the staff brings a new karma. In the past, it seemed that often the player we could least afford to lose .. Stull (07), Pinkston, Gunn, Romeus, Mason, .. got hurt.

Now, the position of greatest need (ILB) appears to be helped greatly, (and unexpectedly.) Also unexpectedly .. when the coaches were in need of a backup RB, Desmond Brown appears out of nowhere.

Maybe Graham will have Brian Kelly karma … Tony Pike started as 4th team QB in 08, and only got a chance when the 1st (ineligible) and 2nd & 3rd (injuries) QBs couldn’t go

Comment by wbb 06.21.11 @ 12:38 pm

Wow! A 4-star linebacker going to Pitt instead of Penn State? The Nitters will claim he wasn’t Penn State material anyway and that Price is really just a 3-star player. You get that extra star when you drink the cool aid.

Comment by TX Panther 06.21.11 @ 12:53 pm

I’m not sure if he will start right away but just being eligible to play right away is huge. I’m not worried about his size. If I understand Graham’s philosophy correctly, he wants fast, sideline-to-sideline LB’s who are more of a “hybrid” type player. If so, Price may be the prototype.

I’m worried about the defense. I understand that the offense’s fast, no-huddle approach effects the defense and that stats will reflect differently because of that. However, for this coming season (more so than on offense) I’m concerned we do not have the pieces Graham needs to run his defense. Just my early, initial thought. Graham did say he will adjust to the talent, which most of agree that Wanny did not do, so there is hope.

Comment by JAM 05 PITT 06.21.11 @ 12:59 pm

TX Panther – I Don’t think Penn State even offered him. That’s neither an endorsement nor an indictment of the kid. .

And, is “cool aid” different than Kool Aid ®.

And by your line of reasoning, if you drank the Penn State “cool aid”, then Price would lose a star.

Or, are you saying that he’s only worth 3 stars, but, by drinking the Pitt “cool aid”, he’s gained that extra star?

Comment by Spats 06.21.11 @ 1:08 pm

Comment by BigGuy 06.21.11 @ 1:21 pm

Blah Blah Blah. You Nitter trolls are more annoying than that Orange. Are you ALWAYS trying to win an arguement and get the last word? I was only curious how many posts it would take to bait a troll like you…didn’t take long. Seriously, don’t you have anything better to do than to troll a Pitt board particularly when we don’t matter to you?

Comment by TX Panther 06.21.11 @ 1:22 pm

Follow-up
Click the Show All + under Ohio State to view the schools that made Price an offer.

link to rivals.yahoo.com

Comment by BigGuy 06.21.11 @ 1:28 pm

Proves to me that Price was talented enough to get noticed by several big schools and is a good pick-up for Pitt. And, is probably a player that any Big 10 school, including State Penn, would love to have unless you think you can do better by getting all the 5-star LB’s out there.

Comment by TX Panther 06.21.11 @ 1:49 pm

Tx-panther, they get over 100,000 people to their games! End of argument.

LMAO!

Comment by Dan 06.21.11 @ 2:07 pm

Kudos to Coach Ditka for above attendance comment.

Comment by Dan 06.21.11 @ 2:12 pm

TX Panther – I said in my response, the absence of Penn State is, by no means, an endorsement or indictment. I’d even say that the offer list is rather impressive. I just think it’s interesting when you “Pitters” use Penn State as a measuring stick – Not all Pitt fans, mind you, but people like you, TX Panther. The original post made no mention of Penn State, nor did subsequent posts. Until yours. And I do care, TX Panther. I really do care. I’ve said that from the get-go.

Comment by Spats 06.21.11 @ 2:58 pm

Penn State Sucks!

Comment by Pitt_Panther_1982 06.21.11 @ 3:12 pm

Penn State Sucks! Price will do great in Graham’s System

Comment by desifitch 06.21.11 @ 3:19 pm

Why would you post here if you are a PSU fan? Are you really so bored with PSU football that you go to various team blogs and post. You are that annoying old lady in the neighborhood that has to watch everyones business because you have no life of your own.

Comment by notrocketscience 06.21.11 @ 3:25 pm

As well Pitt should use Penn State as a measuring stick. There is no denying that Penn State has been very successful and has generally gone about doing things the right way (not cheating like some schools, but the school does have issues with players and the law…that was my factual dig).

So, all the sweeter when we beat you on the field even if it’s only been on average 1 game out of the 3 we play. A win against Penn State used to make my season, but I realize times are different now and this game won’t ever have the same meaning unless the teams played in the same conference and a conference title was on the line. Pitt has the Hoopies for that.

What I don’t like are the excuses from certain camps. For starters, from the Penn State camp on why they shouldn’t try to play Pitt more often. Or, from some Nitters trying to rationalize why some school (particularly when Pitt is competing head to head with Penn State for a recruit) got the recruit instead. I’ve heard comments like ‘wasn’t Penn State material to begin with’ or something about the player’s stars. I often find it amusing that a player’s stars appear to be reflective of what schools are interested. A kid that gets interest from Penn State is 4-star material, but if Pitt or some perceived lesser school is interested, it somehow becomes only worthy of 3 or at least there’s no jump. I don’t claim to understand these ratings but know enough that they don’t necessarily predict a player’s impact or true value to a team.

From the Wanny lover camp, the excuses on why the Stache deserved another year (insert excuses here).

I just hope Graham can prove all the Wanny lovers wrong (for Pitt’s sake) and be around for the 2016 game to bring Penn State fans back to reality and maybe some of that arrogance will go away. Wishful thinking I know.

Peace out.

Comment by TX Panther 06.21.11 @ 3:47 pm

Penn State still Sucks!

Comment by Pitt_Panther_1982 06.21.11 @ 4:01 pm

I kinda agree on Penn State being successful but not 100% bc year in and year out Penn State gets couple of 4* or more players but only win BIG 10 once in a while even when Michigan was down. With those kinda players Penn State should compete for Big 10 title every year and should be TOP 10 team every year in the end of the season but they are not. They have all the tools to be once of the best team in the country (100,000 people at the game,money from BIG 10, Pitt being down helps with recruiting, and a coach that has million years of experience) but they are still not one of the power teams year in and out.

Comment by desifitch 06.21.11 @ 4:07 pm

I agree with the above posters who stated Penn State sucks.

Comment by Jason 06.21.11 @ 4:13 pm

Whatever i wrote before that equals Penn State Sucks.

Comment by desifitch 06.21.11 @ 4:15 pm

Series record 42-50-4. Actually, Pitt has won decisioned games 46%, PSU %54, so, much more than one in three.

Besides, it took them long enough to win their first Rose Bowl!! We’ve been to 4 Rose Bowls, them, only 3.

If that is ancient history and not relevant as one guy suggested the other day, I’m fine with that, it means the last game must be relevant, so bragging rights!!!

Allthough, that guy argued that the last game was the exception beacuse neither team was playing for anything, so, again, that game was irrelevant!!

LMAO

Comment by Dan 06.21.11 @ 4:20 pm

Penn State suck and West Virginia blows,
that’s why it’s always windy where the Allegheny flows!

Comment by CompLit 06.21.11 @ 4:23 pm

sucks, that is. (proper use of comma)

Comment by CompLit 06.21.11 @ 4:24 pm

psu fans: suck a peen and get the fuck off our blog

Comment by Tony C 06.21.11 @ 4:33 pm

so this is what we are going to see for the next 5 years (+ 2)

The only issue I have is that in the past, virtually every time we got a commitment that was offered by both PSU and Pitt, there would be some PSU comment like ‘we quit recruiting him’ .. and I do mean every time.

Spats, it’s OK to lose a recuit to Pitt every once in a while .. trust me.

Comment by wbb 06.21.11 @ 4:34 pm

Technically speaking, my feelings towards Pennsylvania State University is analogous to the reaction created by having a sealed vessel, located at sea level,that has been made completely devoid of matter within it’s interior and then subsequently has created on it’s surface a small oriface. In other words, Penn State Sucks!

Comment by Dr. Tom 06.21.11 @ 4:43 pm

SPATS…Just STFU..ok!!!!!!!!!

Comment by RandyRndyTime 06.22.11 @ 11:02 am

Well, when you put it that way….

Comment by Spats 06.22.11 @ 12:14 pm

We are geting good transfers but 4 of the five recruits for 2012 look like no stars can they play at this level one is only 165 pounds . should we worry?

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.22.11 @ 8:29 pm

Frankcan – There is only one of the five recruits without stars (Cook from St. Xavier). The others have been ranked.

link to pittsburgh.scout.com

But this means relatively little at this point. Being unranked means exactly that – the scouting services haven’t evaluated that player yet. They do this with some kids… the ranking service waits until the player plays his senior season before assigning stars.

In Cook’s case he’ll play and then receive – IMO – three stars. He’s a good one.

You have to remember also that this ranking system is highly subjective… as we have seen over the past six years. Scouts.com published their criteria for assigning starts a few years ago and I was surprised at the minimal difference between a 2 – 3 and 4 star ranking. It is assigned mostly on the number of total kids and then broken down almost in a % wide disbursal.

I do remember that a description for a three star is the the players would, to paraphrase, ‘most probably’ be a starter over the majority of his four years – and the two star was that the player would most probably be a starter at some point. Or some such. Given the variables that go into who starts on a college team – existing depth chart, type of play systems the staff uses, the coaches preference for experience, academics, etc… then you can see that these stars are only a shot in the dark projection.

One example is Dorin Dickerson – he was ranked a five star player in HS. In reality we got, maybe, three star play out of him over his four years. Had DD had another HC & OC who put him in the position to succeed better that PITT did Dickerson very well may have been a multiple All-American player and lived up to that five star ranking. Dion Lewis is another example of the flip side. He was the 3rd RB behind two very good starters in HS and didn’t carry the ball much. He was unranked until his senior year and then got two stars. But, he came to PITT at a time when the starting RB job was open and played like a five star player right from the get go.

In reality, aside from some of the perennial powerhouse college teams, the vast majority of teams are comprised of two and three star kids, and those teams do pretty well as long as the coaching is there.

But, give me a starting center Like Cook, on a great HS team like St. Xavier, who the HC gushes over, any day… regardless of how many stars the kid has.

Comment by Reed 06.23.11 @ 8:18 am

Reed–But many (most?)Pitt fans aspire to Pitt becoming a perennial power house team–like it was for about 7-8 years beginning in the mid-1970s. Thus, we don’t want to recruit like your “vast majority of teams.” That’s the formula for having mediocrity as your ceiling.

Comment by pitt1972 06.23.11 @ 12:17 pm

1972 – I hear you and want the same thing.

My point wasn’t that PITT shouldn’t try for the highly rated kids – it is that you don’t absolutely need those highly rated kids to be successful. But, that said, If Graham (or any other HC) sees two recruits at differing star levels and he think the lower one fits in his plans better then he should get the lower rated one. Just as if he thinks the kids are equal in talent, and fit in equally, he should probably go with the higher rated one if possible.

I don’t know if PITT is ever going to get back to the ‘Glory Days’ of PITT football. I just don’t. I think we certainly can get the program to many BCS games and perhaps a run at a MNC once in a while. We can be consistently good, even Top 25, Top 15 good… which we should have been for the last three years at least IMO. And that should be our goal – to win the conference and reap whatever good things happen from then on. That isn’t ‘settling for the mediocre’, it’s using the resources at hand to win championships.

But PITT and our fans just don’t invest enough to make PITT being a ‘perennial power house’, like TX, OSU, USC, Alabama, etc. a long term reality in this day and age. Football was a lot different in the 1970s-80s than it is now.

Could we have upped the ante and dropped $5M per year on a stud Head Coach in a long-term contract as a step to being a great program? No, the football program is stretched as thin as it gets in the current circumstances with the salaries we are paying this staff. Could we build a new on-campus stadium to try to draw fans (and thier dollars) and recruits into the fold? Sure we COULD have, but that’s never going to happen at PITT for at least 25-30 years.

But you are correct in that the most reasonable thing that may get PITT to the top 20% of college football and keep us up there in the polls is most likely recruiting – it costs the least to do and is the one thing that feeds off of even small successes year to year.

I guess the real question is “Am I going to be disappointed in PITT football if we win BE championships and end up in the Top 25 on a regular basis – even if we don’t compete regularly for a National Championship?” For me the answer is yes. And I believe we can do that without a roster full of five star kids.

Comment by Reed 06.24.11 @ 7:35 am

Reed–I have no problem with coaches taking kids they really think will be successful and make the team successful at this level regardless of these players individual star ratings. However, I just think that if you are doing a good job recruiting only kids you are confidant will do well at the BCS league level that the star ratings will take care of themselves and your classes will average out at at least 3-stars per recruit. But, I believe the corollary is also true. If you wind up with classes that average 2.5 stars or below it means, at the end of the day, you aren’t really recruiting sufficient quantity of quality to be a top 15-20 team consistently. You simply aren’t going to be able to land enough 1-2 star recruits who really will play like 3-4 or 5-stars recruits are expected to that your class and team will be competitive talent wise with those schools that consistently land classes rated at 3.0 stars per recruit and higher. In other words, in a class loaded with 2-stars most are really going to wind up playing to 2-star levels and only a few are going to wind up playing to 3-4 or 5-star levels. S, bottom line is that you have been settling for what you can get rather than what you want or need in many cases when a class ends up averaging 2.5 stars or less.

Comment by pitt1972 06.24.11 @ 3:42 pm

Correction:

I guess the real question is “Am I going to be disappointed in PITT football if we win BE championships and end up in the Top 25 on a regular basis – even if we don’t compete regularly for a National Championship?” For me the answer is NO. And I believe we can do that without a roster full of five star kids.

Comment by Reed 06.25.11 @ 8:41 am

72 – OK then, if we look at the star ranking on the 11 guys Graham has brought onto the team this year we are averaging 3.1 star according to ESPN rankings – I didn’t count the unranked kids.

3.1 is right around what most of DW’s classes were like. Yet PITT fans are pulling out their hair.

Comment by Reed 06.25.11 @ 6:57 pm

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