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March 12, 2011

Stuck in a Storyline

Filed under: Basketball,Big East,Conference,Fans — Chas @ 5:03 pm

Remember when Pitt won the Big East Tournament in 2008? Limping in and finishing 3-4 in the final seven games of the Big East regular season.

Four games in four days. Getting healthy. Getting confident. Consistent. Rising from middle of the pack in the Big East to winning the BET. Sam Young finally started playing consistently at a high level on both ends of the court. While it was something Pitt fans had been expecting for some time, it was a kind of coming out on the national stage for him. Other players found their place. It cemented that team as one that will always hold a special place in Pitt fans’ heart. Even if Pitt bowed out in the first weekend.

Or 2006 and Syracuse. Overshadowing Pitt’s almost as impressive run — only without one player dominating and pushing. Gerry McNamara carrying the Orange all the way to winning the BET. Something UConn’s latest victim, Syracuse could recognize — with requisite bitterness.

While it’s not quite the Gerry McNamara run of ’06, hats must go off to Kemba Walker (who passed Devo for the single-tourney scoring record). He’s got UConn in a position to set a new BET record for five-wins in one go. They certainly have the Team Destiny thing going for them, which is fine, since that makes it all the more likely they’ll run out of gas by next week (just like Gerry’s Orange did).

And almost as bad as losing — being merely a player in some other team’s or someone else’s story. That’s where things stand nationally. Pitt didn’t lose, so much as they were beat by a special player doing special things.

Well, everywhere except Pittsburgh. We can’t have that. This is the fault of Pitt. The players and the coach. Kemba Walker has been doing this stuff all year, but apparently those times were different. This is an indictment on Coach Jamie Dixon and this team as being chokers and destined for an early exit in March.

Did you know that no team has won a national championship after losing the first game of its conference tournament?

Do you care?

If you’re a Pitt fan and you have national title aspirations, you should.

Idle question. Does anyone think that Pitt losing to Villanova in the Elite Eight in 2009 was assured because Pitt lost their first game in the BET? Say it with me folks: correlation does not equal causation.

Or as Gary Parrish put it:

And though it’s a statement that’s 100 percent true, it’s also misleading because it fails to recognize that we’ve never had a league as large and strong as the Big East that requires a true national title contender to open its league tournament with a game against a team the caliber of Connecticut. Bottom line, there are plenty of reasons to think Pitt won’t win a national championship. But the fact that the Panthers lost to a nationally ranked UConn team on a ridiculous stepback jumper from an All-American on Thursday shouldn’t be among them.

I mean for god’s sake, there is just some ridiculous stuff out there. When Bob Smizik becomes a voice of reason, I get concerned.

You know what? Pitt has lost before. They have lost games that I can’t believe they lost. Too soon in the Tournament — whether Big East, NCAA or some non-con-made-for-TV event. Odds are, it will happen in the future as well.  Why? Any number of reasons. A bad night, a good night for the opponent, officiating, free throw shooting, better coaching, brain farts, being overrated, opponent underrated. But the ultimate reason: these are one-off games being played by 18-22 year-olds and shit happens. Even worse, because no one ever wants to hear this: it happens everywhere else.

It has happened at Kansas more times than I can count. It has happened for most of the past decade at Duke. It has happened at UCLA, Texas, Florida. Syracuse, Georgetown, UConn, the list goes on forever. And if your counterpoint is, “well at least those teams have made the Final Four and/or won a National Championship.” So what? Do you think that would make it easier? That you would be mellower about it? Do you have that same zen-like sense of peace as a Steeler fan? Penguins? Maybe for a year at best. But it passes quickly.

We are fans. It never ends.





Deep breaths Chas. At this point, coming from our fans, I think the majority of the frustration that has been built over the last 2 days is stemming from years of under achievement, not a fluke loss to UCONN.

I believe there is no way Pitt does not get a 1 seed. The tournament committee is going to sit down and see that we won the best conference in the nation outright, 3 of our 5 losses came to ranked teams on last second shots, and the other 2 were still “quality” losses. We have seen in years past the committee go against Lundardi’s predictions regarding the #1 overall seed and our resume is going to count for something.

It is now on the team not to continue the streak of under achievement in the tournament and play consistant PITT basketball for 6 straight games.

Hail to Achievement, Hail to Jamie Dixon, Hail to PITT

Comment by Todd Gack 03.12.11 @ 5:19 pm

Some of the criticism is valid but most of it is nonsense. I think my favorite has been “pitt loses too many close games”.

Last time I checked 27-5 is a very respectable record, would you rather those 5 losses be blowouts? Would you rather Pitt squeak by teams as opposed to winning comfortably as they have in most of their games?

Odds are this team isn’t going to the final four, they CAN make it but but there is a big difference between CAN and SHOULD and Ohio State is the only team in the field field that SHOULD make it.

As long as Jamie is the coach we will break through eventually and someday we can have those 15 seconds of zen Chas alluded to.

Comment by Pabs 03.12.11 @ 6:19 pm

Chas–I’m working on some research now for my blog, but it’s really amazing how many of these tournament games are upsets. For high-major (BCS) conferences between 2006-2010, over 36% of the games were “upsets” (that is, the lower-seeded team beat the higher-seeded team), which is statistically significantly more than the rest of the Division I conferences (28% for low-majors, 29% for mid-majors). Upsets happen over 1/3 of the time in the Big East, ACC, and the like. That means if Pitt plays 3 games as a favorite, they’re going to lose 1 of them. Period. End of story. It sucks, but if THIS is the way you lose, in a great played game against a top-25 team, then I’ll take that as my 1/3.

Comment by merlin 03.12.11 @ 7:17 pm

Smizik — where we all turn for sanity in an insane world.

Well, you’re right. That was a well thought out column. The only thing that means to me is that Nuclear Bob’s next column will be bat-shit crazy.

They seem to run one step forward, two steps back.

Comment by Spanky 03.12.11 @ 7:47 pm

Except for his poor choice of words, Chas. seems to be correct in his analysis. Having viewed Mr. Walker several times this season (via TV) I am not unduly shaken nor surprised that a very good Pitt team was edged in the final second. Walker did not, of course, accomplish his feat alone. Frosh superstars of the future(Lamb and Napier) aided considerably. I await with great anticipation the match between the Huskies and Cardinals. As long as I’m at the keyboard, may I ask what difference in the “Grand Theme” does it make if the Panthers are seeded number one or number two? Of course, I believe the Pittites have earned a first place seed, but I would not be devastated(except for travel distance if their destination was in the west or south. There are some REAL problems in the world folks, let us not make mountains out of roundballs. Rev. George of Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 03.12.11 @ 7:57 pm

It’s certainly not the end of the world if we lose. Our boys always play hard. They may not be the best athletes on the floor but they will always be the guttiest. I love this team because their effort trumps other teams’ athleticism.

Now here’s a loss: Just imagine an earthquake or 4 followed by a bunch of tsunamis hitting your neighborhood. And a possible nuclear melt 20 miles down the thruway.

Take a deep breath, enjoy the BE title, hope the team does well the next few weeks, cheer them on but don’t melt down if they don’t.

That’ll be my MO anyway.

Comment by steve 03.12.11 @ 8:07 pm

At least with the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, and hell even Pitt football you can go back and pop in a Championship DVD and relive those years. We will get one in basketball too soon enough.

Comment by Tony Cancilla 03.12.11 @ 8:13 pm

I keep saying to people who will listen that we will break through eventually. Through the 80s and 90s SYR and UCONN had some good teams with good coaching. They made some nice runs but for Calhoun the championship run didn’t come until 1999, for Boeheim it was 2003! We have a program on our hands and every year we are getting better and better players so it will happen.

Comment by CN 03.12.11 @ 8:44 pm

FIRE DIXON!*

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*This sentence includes both sarcasm and irony. Still, we are Pitt fans. Panic is us.

Comment by Lee in Altoona 03.12.11 @ 8:53 pm

Now that ND has lost i think pitt gets a number 1 seed. what they do with it i dont know i still think they are that one great player short they need a kimbo walker type.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.12.11 @ 9:41 pm

So Pitt lost to the eventual Big East tournament champion on a buzzer beater by an All-American. Disgrace.

Comment by Hollywood 03.12.11 @ 11:13 pm

Amen, amen, one thousand times amen. Well said, Chas.

Comment by 85 03.13.11 @ 12:30 am

Although I hoping for a deep run … Who here really believes this Pitt team is going to get past the Sweet 16 this year?

Comment by Emissions 03.13.11 @ 1:43 am

“I’m”

Comment by Emissions 03.13.11 @ 1:43 am

Chas, you hit the nail on the head when you said of PITT’s post-season tournaments record “You know what? Pitt has lost before.”

Unfortunately, that statement rings true regardless of who is holding the hammer – the fans who think it is not indicative of what happens next but also the fans who feel that this is an all too familiar occurrence of late.

What is disconcerting isn’t the fact that the public perception of PITT’s inability to compete and win in the post-season is being firmed up – it is that the BB program itself and the kids who play may be gaining an attitude that this is just the way it is at PITT.

The only remedy for this – and I’ll state the brutally obvious – is to go deeper in the NCAA then we have ever done before. But, until that happens articles like the ones you quote, and perceptions like the ones you reference, have more validity to them than you give them credit for.

Comment by Reed 03.13.11 @ 5:56 am

No 1 seed at risk:

link to post-gazette.com

Is it that big of a deal? Probably not. But if we lose the #1 it will at least generate some interesting conversation among bracketologists about how the Committee views late season performance.

Comment by backacrosstheriver 03.13.11 @ 6:58 am

I just don’t get how ND could get a No.1 over Pitt. I see either Duke or UNC having claim to one, but the single element the Irish own over Pitt is a head-to-head win. Nothing else is on their side. Does it really matter? No, but considering how much I hate Notre Dame it would be incredibly irritating.

Comment by Jason 03.13.11 @ 7:09 am

I’d rather Pitt get a seeding that doesn’t disrupt their circidian rythms which will have more of a (physicial)affect on their performance. If a #2 seeding means Pitt plays in the East Regional, so be it. Bring on the Buckeyes! HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 03.13.11 @ 7:40 am

FWIW, Bill Cowher Steeler’s made it to two Super Bowls and won one, but he will be known to many Stiller fans as the coach who lost 5 AFC championship games

His mentor (and Pitt grad), Marty Shottenheimer vastly improved every team he ever coach (look it up if you don’t believe me), but will aways be known as the coach never making it to the SB.

It’s the nature of the beast … while my appreciation/elation of Coach Dixon and his teams’ accomplishments far outweigh my post-season disappointments, I myself even pontificate why his teams always seem to peak too early.

Comment by wbb 03.13.11 @ 8:30 am

Regardless what happens next, this season is a success. They won the Big East and measured up with the target on their back. That said, if Pitt wants to proceed in the crap shoot that is March madness they need to get back to do some of the things it did early on in the season, the little things that have somehow been forgotten. One would be run and score in transition.

Gibbs needs to draw the fouls when he gets the defender up it the air on attempted shots from beyond the arc and just inside. He is automatic at the line and for some reason he has abandoned that move.

Wannamaker needs to knock down a few long shots to keep the defense honest. Then he can drive past the defender and drop the 5 – 10 footer. He needs to make defensive rebounding a priority again.

McGhee has to just realize his limitations and just do what he is capable of. He needs revert back to taking only one step on the hedge and retreat. He cannot afford to take cheap fouls 25 feet from the basket. Keep from bringing the ball down and never, ever dribble. Be strong on put backs and knock down foul shots.

Taylor, like McGhee needs to hedge with discretion. He should front his man more and dare the opposition to go over the top instead of getting backed down. Be consistent on the offensive put backs again would be nice. If his knees permit, run the court in transition.

Woodall should quit with all the pounding of the ball. If there is no dribble drive just pass, but please quit forcing passes. His defense is becoming a liability with the cheap reach in fouls. A refocus on getting loose rebounds and balls would help.

Patterson should shot more often. He has a sweet stroke and plays should be run for him every now and then. Rebound.

Robinson has been the most consistent player in my mind. He did have a few bumps along the way but usually picks himself up pretty good. Finish more around the rim and continue to be a force on the defensive boards. Hopefully he won’t cost us at the foul line. Run the floor in transition and get some easy shoots.

Brown – what can you say? As Gil goes, unfortunately so goes the team. Just too many mistakes and lapses for a 5th year player. If he can get his game to 75 -80% of his capabilities this team should make a decent showing.

Dixon – he has done a great job and I hope he retires after a hall of fame career at Pitt. I’d like to see him change things up more often. He is becoming predictable. If I recall correctly early on in his career he wasn’t as much. JMHO

Comment by virgil 03.13.11 @ 8:53 am

I personally believe that Gilbert Brown needs to have the best 6 game stretch of his career for Pitt to win this thing. He is the missing link. He is the athlete that everyone says Pitt doesn’t have. When he is on, everyone else is better. Without him, another Elite 8 will be the threshold.

Bonus points if Woodall starts playing like he did mid-season…he’s been a little unnerved as of late. A Zanna comeback before the end of the tourney would be nice too.

Overall, Pitt has lost a couple of close games that really could have gone either way at the end. At some point they’ll need a little luck and have the ball bounce their way…hopefully they got the bad bounces out of the way.

Should be a fun tourney!

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.13.11 @ 10:42 am

I agree that for Pitt to advance the Elite 8 and beyond, Gilbert has to step up and play to his potential, and the other seniors need to be consistent as well. McGhee has not played well as late (and I’m not picking on him for the last play the other day)but ne needs to rebound like he has been doing for muc of the year.

Comment by wbb 03.13.11 @ 12:35 pm

Gonna play devil’s advocate a little here. Our recent performance hasn’t been terribly encouraging. In the past month:

Overall record: 5-3
Away/Neutral Ct record: 2-3
Wins against currently ranked teams: 0

Sure the numbers are skewed a bit — Gibbs didn’t play in two of these games, but we won both (Nova, USF); WVU & Nova are on the cusp of the rankings, but they’re not ranked for a reason. There’s little we’ve done differently than we have all season — our stats the past month are pretty close to what they’ve been all season. This is who we are.

On the flip side: The loss to ND, now #4 in the nation, doesn’t look too bad. Our 3 losses in the past month all came against ranked teams, on the road… by a TOTAL of 6 points.

We’ll have a chance in every game, the rest will be luck. Which is about all any team in the country could ask for.

Comment by PantherP 03.13.11 @ 12:39 pm

Look at the teams who have moved on to the final 4 over the years they all most allways have one or two blue chipers on team future pros we have none.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.13.11 @ 1:17 pm

Is there are more word on the status of Zanna? Does/Did Pitt have to dislose any more about when he might be available? This is a thumb/finger injury, correct? How long could that possibly keep him out? (I’m aware that the official statement was 3-6 weeks, at one point.)

Comment by Lou 03.13.11 @ 2:46 pm

“Pitt didn’t lose, so much as they were beat by a special player doing special things.”

This is certainly true, however when is Pitt going to win a game like this with a special player doing special things. It’s time !

Comment by melvinbennett 03.13.11 @ 4:37 pm

On the seeding front, Yahoo/Rivals has Pitt the 3rd #1 seed. What’s kind of unbelievable they have Uconn a #2 seed. This is team that went 9-9 in the BigEast regular season. Yeah 9 & 9. Yes they won the BigEast tournament but are you kidding, a #2 seed.

link to collegebasketball.rivals.com

Comment by melvinbennett 03.13.11 @ 4:50 pm

“so much as they were beat by a special player doing special things” -yes very special that the best guard in the nation was able to score on gary mcgee on a isolation. rather than writing how sometimes the best player just beats you maybe pitt should implement some strategies where they make other players beat them and not allow the best players on other teams to get mismatches. or we could keep repeating our same failures. definition of insanity-doing the same thing over and over knowing the result folks. time to come up with new strategy. or be like smizik and chas same ol same ol never change

Comment by andrew 03.13.11 @ 7:04 pm

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