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February 4, 2011

Also known as, “We don’t need no stinkin’ rankings.”

The snap judgments are out. Good news. Pitt wasn’t the worst recruiting class in the Big East.

Scout.com, put Pitt’s at 6th (55th nationally), ahead of USF and UConn. Rivals.com said 5th ahead of USF, UConn and Syracuse. UConn’s recruiting class was last in all rankings. This, despite losing only one good player (to Penn State) after Edsall departed. Given the position of UConn’s class, there might be a correlation to that.

Not that Todd Graham is taking a lot of heat for that in both local or national coverage.

Mike Farrell of Rivals.com said, “The circumstances he entered into, he has to have a free pass this year. You can’t ask anybody to do better than he did with the situation. We have him fifth in the Big East.

“I think he finished ahead of three other schools in the Big East. Considering what he had left when he arrived, and the kids he lost, he did as good of a job as you can expect.”

This sentiment was echoed by other recruiting guys the story quoted.

An interesting comparison by Zeise in post.

Just in case you were wondering, Dave Wannstedt’s first class (the class he put together in about two months after he was hired) had 23 players. Of those 23, there were ten – Conredge Collins, CJ Davis, Rashad Duncan, Cedric McGee, Shane Murray, Gus Mustakas, LaRod Stephens-Howling, Bill Stull, Oderick Turner and Mick Williams – who became consistent starters and productive players during their careers. And those guys became the backbone of the program over the first four or five years. I thought that was pretty good and given how quickly this staff had to put together a class — if there are ten players in this class who form the backbone of this program over the next four years it will be an overwhelmingly successful class.

Wannstedt had two months to recruit and retain. Graham had two weeks.

Naturally, as you expect when a class is ranked as average or not outstanding, Coach Graham dismissed rankings.

Todd Graham and company dismissed recruiting rankings as being irelevant because of Pitt’s “unique approach” to football. He said few teams do the things that Pitt will do – schematically – and thus they are looking for specific players. That makes a lot of sense to me and he would know because he was at West Virginia under Rich Rodriguez and the Mountaineers were never really highly rated in recruiting but for a while seemed to win the Big East every year. Of course, if that is the story hopefully they are sticking to it — and that means next year, or the year after, when they have the highest rated class in the Big East, we won’t be hearing about it, either.

He may be somewhat right, but bullshit is bullshit. Just as in the NFL Draft teams always claim to get exactly the guy the wanted all along, a college coach will talk up his signing class as being what they wanted for the style they play. Plenty more to read in Zeise’s post, but you probably already knew that.

While the cold reality of this class is that it is exceptionally mediocre in terms of overall talent compared to other schools, but Graham’s efforts were exhaustive.

Good thing Graham, who runs a speedy no-huddle offense, works fast. He covered so much ground at his signing-day news conference that he even thanked the two pilots who flew him across the country. “I don’t know if I want to do that again for a long, long time,” Graham said.

Pitt’s class of 20 includes linebacker Nicholas Grigsby from Trotwood, Ohio, rated the No. 15 prospect in Ohio and the USA’s No. 16 outside linebacker by Rivals.com.

Graham said he was able to sign recruits from eight states plus Washington, D.C., because of the tradition at Pittsburgh and players’ geographical open-mindedness.

“Kids nowadays, if it’s the right fit, will get up and move,” he said.

Finally, Chris Gates has an interview with OC Calvin Magee after the signing day press conference.





The interview with Magee was good. So we can expect the same type of running game as past WVU teams but much more passing. I like it.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.04.11 @ 10:52 am

actually,all thing considered, my only big disappointment of the class was not keep in D Green who everyone thought would stay at Pitt. He was a DE AND a QB and athletic enough to fit any style of play.

All coaches uses ranking and stats only when they are to their advantage. E.g,. in his opening presser, Graham was sure to point out about all the high numbers his offenses were putting out but when asked about his low rated defense, he downplayed the rankings stats.

None of this matters in the long run … only Ws and Ls

Comment by wbb 02.04.11 @ 11:08 am

After the first 30-35 schools, there’s huge undifferentiated mass of mediocre recruiting classes. In reality, no one knows who got the best recruiting class among Pitt, Cincinnati, WVU, USF and Syracuse. I think you can say that Louisville and Rutgers did a little better than us and Uconn did a little worse, but all those teams in the middle are basically tied.

Comment by maguro 02.04.11 @ 11:19 am

Any juco’s on the horizon?

Comment by alcofan 02.04.11 @ 11:45 am

Of course we would all like to see a more highly rated recruiting class. I’m sure Graham would have too. But who wants to hear Graham whine and cry about the guys he didn’t get, the only acceptable reaction is to be excited about the incoming class and talk up the accomplishments that they were able to achieve. I honestly thought we’d get one of the McKeesport guys or Price from Woodland Hills, but I’m encouraged by the fact that he was able to have those guys even considering Pitt given all that transpired.

I’m also encouraged by the fact that we’ve recruited from GA, AL, TX, Florida, Tennessee and DC. I’m looking forward to seeing what Graham and this staff can do when they have a chance to build relationships with coaches and earn player’s trust over the course of a year rather than two weeks.

Comment by TJ 02.04.11 @ 11:56 am

“We have to run faster”. Remember that quote from you know who? Graham wanted speed, Graham recruited speed, Graham got some speed. Now what is he going to do with it? Speed kills, hopefully, Pitt’s opposition next season. Time will tell.

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.04.11 @ 12:05 pm

Everyone on this blog knows I was a Bradley supporter. Additionally, I threw my support with this guy when he became coach and did not become a hater.

I also was realistic enough to state that when TG in his first press conference that we will have the greatest recruting class period…that he was trying to excite the disenchanted masses.

I felt we would here some exciting names and ultimately if he got one or two of em that it would be gravy.

What this guy did in two weeks was astounding…and there is no way my original candidate would’ve had this kind of draw across the US.

I was excited after hearing this guys first press conference. I am now very excited to see what this team brings on the field. If it weren’t for Pitt hoops…fall couldn’t get here soon enough!

Chas…thanks for all that you do…you have been awesome.

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 02.04.11 @ 1:11 pm

The Graham and his staff went after and got the players that they could get. Remember the cupboard isn’t bare. They went after speed and got a lot of it. They also addressed the running back, reciever, linebacker, and secondaary issues. Not bad in two weeks.

Comment by Justinian 02.04.11 @ 1:15 pm

I agree with Justinian, the cupboard isn’t bare. Graham preaches speed and that’s what he got. If he wins a lot of games. Next years crop will have speed and more polished skills.

Comment by Pittastic 02.04.11 @ 1:47 pm

I think what is lost in SOME of the post is: considering everything that has happened in the last two months, it was a GREAT (in relative terms) signing day for PITT. No, we didn’t get all the kids we wanted, but TG really salvaged what was a zero class to make it a good one.

I am stoked for the season to start. The cupboard is not empty and if this guy is as good as promised, Pitt will win the BE and go to a BCS bowl.

There is one other thing.

It has been about a month, why is SP still here? Just saying.

Comment by firestevenow 02.04.11 @ 2:42 pm

I think what is lost in SOME of the post is: considering everything that has happened in the last two months, it was a GREAT (in relative terms) signing day for PITT. No, we didn’t get all the kids we wanted, but TG really salvaged what was a zero class to make it a good one.

I also like they fact that TG isn’t crying or complaining about they ones that got away, just concentrating on the guys he got.

I am stoked for the season to start. The cupboard is not empty and if this guy is as good as promised, Pitt will win the BE and go to a BCS bowl.

There is one other thing.

It has been about a month, why is SP still here? Just saying.

Comment by firestevenow 02.04.11 @ 2:43 pm

Any news on Taylor’s MRI?

Comment by G 02.04.11 @ 4:18 pm

Anyone else see the irony in being so excited about interest from recruits from Texas, over the past few weeks, while losing two of PAs best to Texas Tech? No blame or anything, just one of those ironic things.

Comment by Pwmcdupitt 02.04.11 @ 5:20 pm

firestevenow – you may have to get used to the idea that the PITT administration will take the long view, in both directions, and let the Pedersen/Haywood fiasco die a quiet death.

I’m not sure The Chancellor and the Board of Trustees is anywhere near as upset about what happened as some PITT football fans and alumni are.

For every thing Graham does well – and every BB victory that happens – the Pedersen controversy fades just a little more into the background.

Comment by Reed 02.04.11 @ 5:55 pm

I think the Haywood fiasco was as much a result of the administration as it was Pedersen. If you tell your AD to dig around the bargain bin, you’re not going to get much quality.

Comment by Chris 02.04.11 @ 7:12 pm

wHOA~~ hOLD ON THERE. fAIR IS FAIR, BUT FABRICATION IS SLEAZY. I REALLY DON’T BELIEVE THAT MR. HAYWOOD’S DOMESTIC DIFFICULTIES HAD OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PITT A.D. OR CHANCELLOR. COME ON,BLOGGERS, LET IT GO AND REJOICE IN THE MOMENT. PITT SEEMS TO HAVE CHOSEN A GOOD COACH AND HIS STAFF. IN OTHER WORDS, GENTLEMEN, LET’S MOVE ON. REV. GEORGE

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 02.04.11 @ 11:24 pm

@ Reverend George – Well said

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 02.05.11 @ 12:53 am

Guys I am a BIG Pitt basketball fan, but I still can’t get past all the football stuff just yet. I was in favor of Bradley, because I felt that he would bring stability and would do well salvaging the recruiting class. I didn’t like the Haywood hiring one bit and I didn’t think he was the right guy for our program. After the Haywood fiasco, when Graham was hired, I was impressed with his energy. I’m not a spread guy, I prefer a pro-style offence with more of open passing attack than we had. That being said, I think Graham can be successful with his system. As a Pitt guy, I support him and I wish him all the succuss in the world.

Comment by Justinian 02.05.11 @ 8:45 am

Agreed, don’t be haters. All I know is I’m glad I’m not Mike Haywood. Imagine how he feels not only for himself but all those around him that were impacted by his aledged actions. One minute he is basking in the glow of a major coaching hire with a big jump in salary the next he’s in jail! His life changed in an instant just because of a poor decision. Us Pitt fans were able to make lemonaide out of that fiasco but for Haywood, circumstances remain pretty sour for him. I hope the best for Mr. Haywood, a promising up and coming coach that hopefully will be able to pick up the pieces and move on with his professional life in the future.

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.05.11 @ 8:50 am

as an aside, I wondering if any of Haywood’s assistants have been picked up … and when they do, I’m sure it will be at lower salaried jobs than if at Pitt.

they may have been the biggest losers in the Haywood fiasco

Comment by wbb 02.05.11 @ 9:00 am

You can’t gain stability by firing people. Steelers don’t fire coaches/GMs after losing seasons. Pederson represents Pitt well. The person to blame for Haywood is Haywood.

Comment by SDiTommaso 02.05.11 @ 11:03 am

SDiTommaso–Agree with your view on stability. However, IMO, Haywood would have been a poor hire even if he hadn’t had the trouble that got him fired. Either Pederson (or the Chancellor if he limited the purse strings) made a poor decision in even considering Haywood. We are better off with Graham than we would ever have been with Haywood, again (solely) IMO–although we will likley never know whether I am correct in that opinion.

Comment by pitt1972 02.06.11 @ 10:40 pm

Very interesting entry, I look forward to the next!

Comment by James Egbe 02.13.11 @ 10:59 am

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