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January 4, 2011

LiveBlog: Pitt-Providence

Filed under: Basketball,liveblog — Chas @ 5:28 pm

After a week-long layoff — nicely timed to give the football side time to go insane — Pitt is back to play its first Big East road game. Providence embarrassed Pitt at the Dunk a couple years ago. Last year, they nearly upset Pitt at the Pete. It was  a change from how Pitt had been dominating the Friars in the Tim Welsh era. Keno Davis’ teams may struggle on defense, but they can score.

The game starts at 7pm on ESPN3.com, ESPN FullCourt, FoxSports Pittsburgh and MASN. Unfortunately SNY is showing the UConn-ND game. Oh, and way to be a power in New England, Providence. CSN New England is going with New Hampshire-Boston U.

It’s a moderated chat. Let’s try and stick to basketball. Consider it an oasis from that crisis that has sucked up most of the pixels on this site.

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Just got to the dunk. Let’s hope this turns out better than things did two years ago.

HTP
Graham

Comment by Gdf 01.04.11 @ 6:40 pm

link to player.streamtheworld.com

Found the Friars radio station I think

Comment by steve 01.04.11 @ 6:43 pm

Omar, no offense, Wannamaker is terrible.

Comment by Pauly P 01.04.11 @ 9:02 pm

Was in never neverland for this one, gamecasts suck. Why so close?

Comment by steve 01.04.11 @ 9:18 pm

outplayed by Providense for 3rd straight year.

But how about Woodall and McGhee … nothing but net for the last minute when it most counted

Comment by wbb 01.04.11 @ 9:19 pm

Many many turnovers. Guard play was poor. Not prepared. Wonder what that punk said to Dixon durring handshakes

Comment by Drgags 01.04.11 @ 9:22 pm

Defense as bad as against Tenn? Was it a back and forth shoot out? It seemed herky-jerky, we couldn’t get into a flow.

WTF, we won! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by steve 01.04.11 @ 9:23 pm

Panthers crumbled under full-court pressure. This game was all about a team that knows how to win versus a team that crapped itself when it realized it might win.

Comment by Jason 01.04.11 @ 9:25 pm

SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE find out what Marshon Brooks said to Jaime Dixon in the hand-shake line at the end of the game. If you can watch it on rewind, look at Dixon’s face after they pass each other. its hilarious.

Comment by PantherP 01.04.11 @ 9:25 pm

Jason, you should be a scribe

Comment by steve 01.04.11 @ 9:26 pm

Pitt definitely has some things to work on after this game…turnovers, and breaking down a press, for starters.

BUT, for the Panthers to be down by four with under a minute left, and have the composure to come back and win on an away court says a lot to me. Nice win, Pitt.

Comment by Lou 01.04.11 @ 9:31 pm

Failure to handle pressure a concern again this year. McGhee really came through in the second half. Huge boards and made some clutch foul shots. Gibbs completely out of it! Looked like someone stole his dog. He needs to be a little more of a vocal LEADER, even when things ARENT going well for him. He looked and played like he couldnt wait to get home. Amazing what a POSITIVE leader can do for a team. Lets hope he becomes one.

Comment by Z-Boy 01.04.11 @ 9:41 pm

Providence has been playing everyone close. They just don’t know how to close the deal yet. They’ll knock off a ranked BE team or two before the season’s out.

Also, recent history shows that Keno knows how to match up against Pitt, and he changed up his full and half presses to give us fits tonight. Glad we got out of this one with a W especially after the long layoff. Whew!

Comment by TampaT 01.04.11 @ 9:46 pm

I am glad I predicted a nice easy win for Pitt!
Was coaching myself and did not get to see the game until the last 10 minutes. Contrary to most, I thought Pitt handled the 1-3-1 full court press decently…I could not get over some of the calls and non calls by the officials.Being off 8 days and then having to face a pressing team did not help. We will be fine. Loved the FT shooting though!

It’s been a Hell of a last few days for Pitt fans…we needed the drama tonight to pull us away from the other soap opera.

Hail to Pitt….One of the best basketball teams in the USA!

Comment by Dan 72 01.04.11 @ 9:49 pm

Steve god bless you thanks.
PantherP I noticed it seemed Brooks was staring down the Pitt bench once or twice after draining a 3 too. Thought it may have been directed toward Skerry perhaps? But Dixon definitely made a face like someone crop-dusted him as they went through the line.

Comment by Jason 01.04.11 @ 9:51 pm

Thanks for all your recaps but I feel like a dog with a sinus infection.

I just get the sense that the home court advantage played a role in how close the score.

Stats show our offensive rebounding was not up to par.

Foul shooting was good, 76%. As well as shooting from the field.

Patterson plcontributed, what happened to Taylor?

How were the refs?

Thanks

Comment by steve 01.04.11 @ 9:59 pm

That was a totally f@#$ed up game. I honestly don’t know how you can say anything about Pitt’s performance. They struggled with that extended zone for a time and, yes, some really bad turnovers. But they eventually figured it out: penetrate and kick. Open up a decent lead going into the half.

Second half starts, Providence penetrates every time and the refs call a foul on nearly every possession. It was ridiculous. For christ’s sake, Pitt played a 2-3 zone for, what, the last 12 minutes of the game, maybe longer, because of the foul trouble? They had no choice. I was screaming at the TV: “go zone, go zone.” My wife is ready to kill me, b/c I was blathering so much.

There were stretches tonight where this team showed what they can be. There were others where my hand was plastered to my forehead. But in that last minute, that was impressive basketball. Woodall and McGhee with nerves of steel. And Woodall SUCKED in the first half, so for him to step up like that late in the game was huge.

I’ll take the W. Bring on Marquette.

Comment by Carmen 01.04.11 @ 11:08 pm

sorry, but gotta agree with Omar that wanny is our best player and the leader on the team. He didn’t have a great night but hes the guy who will get in someones face, fire the team up, hit free throws and is one of the only guys who can take someone off the dribble.

Also, Tra stepped up huge in the 2nd half with the 3 to reclaim the lead and then free throws down the stretch. He’s gonna be a first team BE player when its all said and done.

Comment by tj 01.04.11 @ 11:21 pm

Agree, Wanny is the key to our going deep in the tournaments this year…He had a bad game, so did Gibbs. Wanny always seems to have a few dumb turnovers per game, but he also does so many good things for this team…I was prepared to be really pissed at this team, then Woodall and McGhee step up do what winners do…knock down the shots when we needed them the most…It looks like any team we play that has long, quick guards is going to give us fits because our ball handling is not a strength…We have enough other qualities to make up for it, like depth and rebounding…Hail to Pitt!

Comment by HbgFrank 01.04.11 @ 11:47 pm

re Gibbs and Wanny: “bad” with respect to turnovers (and dumb elbows!)

Comment by HbgFrank 01.04.11 @ 11:49 pm

I’m not arguing about #22. If you know basketball, then you understand.

Comment by Omar 01.05.11 @ 1:26 am

#1 with levance size onions tonight. Nice shot young man.

Comment by Omar 01.05.11 @ 1:28 am

There are just some away venues that teams love or hate; could be the feel of the place, the floor, the ventilation system, the rims, who knows? But it takes discipline and focus to win in a uncomfortable venue and those are the buttons Pitt pushed in final minute of night. Play the Friars at the Pete Pitt wins by 12-15.

Taylor and Gibbs can be liabilities on defense and Jamie made a nice move using zone in 2nd half. Unusual for both Brad and Gibbs to be off their games at the same time, v. a deep opponent that’s a too much of a handicap to overcome.

Every BE coach is going to use similar press, no doubt that Jamie will work on that. I’m not sure that this year’s team can sustain an element that has been core to Pitt’s success in Ben & Jamie era: team defense.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.05.11 @ 9:16 am

Wanamaker started off the season very well, but as of late I feel like he has regressed. TOs seem to be more frequent, as is foul trouble. If he’s not on the floor, he can’t be a leader. I think this is the 3rd game he’s had to sit for big chunks because of foul trouble.

He’s got to stop reaching on D and make better decisions on O. Those few TOs will be costly against the top teams in the conference.

Comment by Carmen 01.05.11 @ 9:45 am

My random observations from last night:

*Great to get a win they didn’t deserve. Providence just didn’t know how to close out a game and Woodall was willing to take a big shot.

*Dixon had the worst game of anyone. Many opportunities last night to coach those players to a win and he didn’t have the instincts to do it. A few opportunities he missed….

*Have Gibbs run the baseline against the Friar zone to get open looks. He can’t handle the ball out front against bigger, quicker guards, so let him run from corner to corner and let Woodall and Wanamaker (and sometimes Patterson) handle the ball out front.

*Getting Woodall back in the game earlier in the 2nd half. As bad as Woodall was in the first half, they needed quickness in the game and they needed to attack the pressure and get easy buckets since their halfcourt offense was so tentative.

*Coach the players to understand how the refs are calling the game. They were calling everything and would have called charging foul after charging foul against Brooks, Coleman and Council if Dixon could have gotten his players to pack it in and take the bumps. Only Taylor was willing to take a charge.

I will give Dixon credit for giving Patterson minutes. He really played well — gave me some hope he can be a contributor. Not many good passers on this team, but he’s a natural one and an unselfish player. It looks like he was coached much better growing up than the rest of the squad.

*Pitt’s got plenty of strengths (depth, aderence to system, experience, size come to mind), but athleticism at the guard position is a problem against teams like Prov. Woodall has some speed, but Wanamaker and Gibbs are slower guards and they didn’t have a chance to stay in front of the Friar guards.

*Brooks looks like the 2nd best player in the BE after Walker. He’s what Gilbert was supposed to be……big rangy guard/swingman who can slash, shoot, and play D.

*Still wondering about the JJ Moore situation. Once again, he hoisted up a shot seconds after getting in the game. How about a little discretion, JJ? Why didn’t they redshirt him?

Hey, I’ll take the win. And who was that courtside reporter? We need to see more of her.

Comment by hugh green 01.05.11 @ 9:51 am

Does anyone ever acknowledge here that Pitt doesn’t have every good college basketball player in America on their team? Look guys, sometimes it is the superior skill of an opponent that makes you look bad. I’ve never seen such quick hands as I’ve seen on some of the Providence players! They have been coached to believe that the ball is theirs (how many turnovers came from them essentially taking the ball out of our hands?) and to anticipate where every pass is headed. Unfortunately, they have not been coached on how to win and close out games. They are going to be tough to beat come BE Tourney time.

Comment by Bobby 01.05.11 @ 10:02 am

This was a classic 2nd round type game. I love how our players stepped up and closed this game like a veteran team.

Where’s the love for Gary? Big rebounds when he came back in the game in the second half, key bucket down low to set up the woodall there, and damn… two clutch FTS to seal the game… Nothing but net btw, from a 47% FT shooter!

Comment by pauly p 01.05.11 @ 11:51 am

Jason — i think you’re right, may have had something to do with Skerry and it definitely looked like Jamie caught someone crop-dusting in the handshake line.

Re Wannamaker – I’m more with Omar than the detractors, though Wanny has a few significant shortcomings that get exposed against quick opposing front courts. Teams with quick guards that play tight defense tend to lock up our slower (esp. Gibbs) back court and too much of our offense is reliant on the guards, especially Gibbs. When Gibbs is locked up, Brad has too much responsibility to make plays and when he’s pressing his ball-handling is really poor. Its mostly because of the offensive game plan – I think Dixon needs to run the offense a little more through the bigs, especially if Taylor is in the game. Pitt’s a bit limited though if Gil is off (and he seems off more than he is on) as swing man.

RE the match-up. Providence is simply a team that always plays Pitt well. Providence is to Pitt what Pitt is to Syracuse. Its just the match up. Can’t get too upset about not wiping these guys out at their own gym. Even with the atrocious turn-overs, we play so efficiently they didn’t kill us. Its actually kind of amazing how solid we are, both in terms of efficiency and also depth/versatility. Really high ceiling to develop over this year – we’re even using a zone defense occasionally!

On McGhee – I rail on McGhee all the time but he just out muscled guys on a few big plays and deserves some credit here.

On Woodall – Woodall is way more valuable than a lot of people think, mostly because he’s a true point guard (speed, floor vision, decent shooter) that knows how to win and has been clutch for us before (ex WVU last year). I think Dixon can afford to switch Gibbs out for Woodall way more often than he does. I’m a huge Gibbs fan, but Dixon leans on him too much and needs to lessen his minutes by from about 38 to 32 a game, using Woodall as his sub as often as he is Wanny’s sub.

Re Brown – i’m really curious what he’s like in practice. Dixon doesn’t seem to trust him for some reason and it seems to play on his mind. Brown makes many dumb mistakes, but i wonder if its because he’s so worried about how short a leash dixon has him on. Sort of weird that most (all?) of his points came on jump shots when there was opportunity for him to dribble-drive and he did none of that. Also weird how he went completely silent in the 2nd half. He has the physical gifts to be our best player…well, everyone knows the story of how frustrating an enigma Brown is.

all in all a solid win if for no other reason than, despite the fact we played like garbage against the press and the MAJOR foul trouble, we still won because of our efficiency, versatility and depth.

Comment by PantherP 01.05.11 @ 1:25 pm

The long view: The Friars have a rich tradition and there was a time when Pitt basketball was half a light year from their level. Ernie D, Marvin Barnes, Jimmy Walker, great players, great teams. As a very long time Pitt basketball freak it is gratifying that we have become a dominant BE force and on a cold, miserable night we can beat the Friars in their place with our B game.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.05.11 @ 1:47 pm

hugh:

nice write-up. quick question: what did you specifically think coach dixon could have done? that was an interesting comment. i would love to hear your thoughts.

regarding woodall’s big shot, he was asked about it and said, “…scared money don’t make money.” these are the types of players that you want. not afraid to make plays at crunch time. coach dixon, when pitt was down 2, said, “…guys, it’s time.” i think dixon recruits and makes sure the kids aren’t afraid to make mistakes at the end of the game.

this is the exact opposite of our former football coach. the differing results speak for themselves.

finally, this team needs a LOT of improvement on the defensive end. some of our players are awful defending the three, especially at the end of the shot clock (i am talking to you, gilbert brown). defense is what is going to hold this team back. get on it coach dixon.

Comment by Omar 01.05.11 @ 2:39 pm

I thought Dixon didn’t play the chess game very well last night.

He should have used Gibbs on the baseline and not out front — the Friar zone had plenty of holes and Gibbs could have gotten shots off, but using him out front just exposed his ballhandling and quickness shortcomings.

He should have brought Woodall back in much earlier in the 2nd half and told him to push it against the pressure. Pitt would have gotten easy buckets because Providence’s good players were at the front of the press not the back.

Maybe he tried (we’ll never know), but he was unable to help the players understand that the game was being called way too closely. That was clear early and Pitt never reacted to the officiating.

I did appreciate his use of Patterson. Nice contribution.

On another topic — it certainly seems like Zanna and Moore are close to leaving the rotation, which makes you wonder why Moore was ever in it. (Pet peeve of mine, as you can tell.)

Dixon’s a good coach. I can live without the game adjustments; sideline strategy doesn’t happen to be one of his strengths, but his long list of other attributes make up for it.

Comment by hugh green 01.05.11 @ 4:44 pm

Hugh, on coaching against the officiating, it seemed like they’re were lots of calls that could have gone either way – that is, against either the offensive or defensive player in any given instance. Examples – late-ish in the game, Gibbs got called for putting a shoulder into a Prov guard that was all over him during the press break. On at least one play just a few plays before and one a few plays later, almost the same kind of contact, but the foul went against the Providence player. Same thing on the charges/blocking fouls. I’m thinking foul calling is much less an issue to Dixon because the bench is so good/deep than it is for someone like Keeno who won’t have the same bench depth. I don’t think that was a weakly coached game in that regard.

I do have a few issues with how Dixon works the rotation, but honestly with so many players to juggle, game rhythms to manage, etc, I don’t know exactly what would be ideal. I’d like to see more Taylor and see Woodall spell Gibbs a little more. I’m really not sure what to do about Moore, Patterson, and Zanna. I think we can/should give some space during the season to let Dixon continue to experiment with the rotation. I really don’t think anyone knows exactly what we have and how to optimize it yet. Too many different skill sets. Not a bad problem to have I suppose.

Comment by PantherP 01.05.11 @ 5:21 pm

I don’t think you can make a habit of redshirting top-50 guys like Moore. Ready or not, they want to play.

Comment by Omar 01.05.11 @ 9:35 pm

Agreed, that’s a tough conversation to have with top recruits in today’s world of “I want it now”. But I hope some frank conversations happen after a player joins a program and it becomes clear that they may not be able to contribute their first year.

My thought on the officiating was that those refs were determined to play an out-sized role in that game, so you tell your players to look for opportunities to give the officials a chance to make a call.

Juggling the rotation is tough, no doubt. I think Dixon knows what he has; he’s just not always adept at assessing the need during a game. I think he’s had to work Taylor in slow because of the liability on defense and I agree that Woodall deserves more time in for Gibbs. There are also going to game situations when he needs size and will have to play Zanna more than he wants to.

Comment by hugh green 01.06.11 @ 7:59 am

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