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December 14, 2010

I don’t know what to think about anything regarding the coaching search at the moment. I know even less about the whole deal with Dana Holgorsen, WVU, Oliver Luck and Bill Stewart.

Was Pitt looking at and trying to get Dana Holgorsen? Yeah. I do think that. At the very least, there was strong interest in him and Pitt had discussed things with him. That’s about as far as I’m willing to go with it. I don’t think contract was even close to being worked out, and I’m not even sure the job was actually offered to him. But I’m reasonably sure they talked.

On the West Virginia side of things, there was plenty of dissatisfaction with Bill Stewart that rivaled the Pitt fans dissatisfaction with Wannstedt. Remember that before the Backyard Brawl, there was less than a tongue-in-cheek suggestion that the losing coach could find himself out of a job. Heck, even after winning, a “rumor” suddenly was circulating that Stewart would retire after this season.

In fact, it was just as obvious to their new AD Oliver Luck, that there was a growing issue with a reported 10,000 plus no-show for the season finale against Rutgers. A very unnerving sight.

It has been very obvious that Luck was not enamored with Stewart. It now appears that Dana Holgorsen has been in Luck’s mind for some time. The two go back to Luck’s time in Houston. He had gotten to know Holgorsen when Holgorsen was the OC at Texas Tech and Houston.  And as details are now emerging, clearly he had been getting ready to get Holgorsen sooner.

Holgorsen, 39, and WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck worked out the arrangement last week after an initial meeting between the two was canceled earlier this month. The two sides are said to be working toward a formal contract.

So if there had been talk with Holgorsen and Pitt, it could have been as much Holgorsen trying to force WVU’s hand and up the money.

And that appears to have worked..

Holgorsen reportedly has agreed to a six-year deal with WVU, the final five of those seasons as head coach.

According to the website OStateIllustrated.com, Holgorsen has agreed to a $750,000 deal at WVU for 2011, and then around $2 million annually once he becomes head coach in 2012.

If those numbers are accurate, that is a lot to pay for an assistant to become the HC. Of course part of it is to deal with being put in what is clearly an awkward situation — one that seems more likely to create some hard feelings.

Still that money jumps out. Oliver Luck is taking a big risk that this works. Spencer Hall at EDSBS wrote a great piece on Florida’s choice of hiring Will Muschamp. His thoughts on how the Florida AD was looking to find the equivalent of 1999 Florida DC Bob Stoops in 2010. But still it is a gamble.

The truth is that there are no guarantees, but the next truth is that Muschamp is even less of a guarantee than any of these because he has never been a head coach at any level before, and that thought alone should make Florida fans shit anvils this morning. Ours was magnificent: a weighty rhino’s head of finely hewn iron, it’s in the backyard lurking like the head of a great black Bullet Bill caught in mid-air. You’ll feel clean as well-maintained natural gas pipeline once you pass it.

The same was true of [NAME REDACTED,] and of Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. It was also true of Stoops when he took over at Oklahoma. To say you have any idea how this will turn out is insane, and enough wagering’s been done here. Let’s just leave it at what is known: he’s potentially brilliant, young enough to happily give the pound of flesh the job takes out of you, and is not demonstrably dumb like some people you’ve hired in the past. What is also known: this hire, unlike Foley’s last, is a massive roll of the dice on an unknown quantity, a naked skydive into a raging forest fire armed with a car-sized fire extinguisher compared to the easy nod to Urban Meyer in 2005. This simulation features live fire, bears, and the worst beast of all, real live existential dread of the unknown. That won’t pass for quite some time, we’re afraid.

Bruce Feldman at ESPN.com also has a piece on the hit and miss of coordinators and even elevating mid-major head coaches (Insider subs).

When athletic directors and college administrators interview coaching prospects they try and determine whether they have the right guy and a good fit by seeing if the candidate has a vision and a plan, but while much of that stuff sounds great in theory until they’re actually doing the job — making the decisions, dealing with the headaches — you don’t truly know what you have.

In the past decade or so, it’s such a mixed bag of high-profile former coordinators who have thrived or flopped as head coaches, you can’t say with much clarity who will succeed and who won’t.

Among the ones who hit: Mark Dantonio, Kyle Whittingham, Chip Kelly, Dan Mullen, Bret Bielema, Skip Holtz, Bo Pelini, Bobby Petrino and Gene Chizik.

Among the ones who missed: Greg Robinson, Chuck Long, Mike Sanford, Mark Snyder, JD Brookhart, Ted Roof, Nick Holt and Randy Shannon.

The jury is still out: Mike Stoops, Jimbo Fisher, Charlie Strong, Mike Locksley, Lane Kiffin, Sonny Dykes, DeWayne Walker, Steve Sarkisian and a few others.

Part of the reason is the change in the way you have to do things. But also it concerns how you decide on the staff.

From my observations, the most critical part of taking over as a first-time head coach is your staff and who you surround yourself with. I’ve seen firsthand what can happen when staff chemistry goes awry. You get the job and the guys you plan on hiring, whose names you jotted down on the notebook paper before you interviewed with the college brass that was thinking of hiring you, well, those coaches aren’t actually coming to work for you. A few might. A few get cold feet. Their families don’t want to move. Others who are also on the staff you’re coming from see the opportunity they may have with you leaving. Or the coaches who you worked with 15 years ago, when you were both grad assistants, recall what you were like back then and decide you might not be such a good boss.

Instead, you get the guys who you can get. Maybe you bring some grad assistants with you and promote them up for their first time as full-time assistants coaching a position, running their own positional meetings and being out on the road recruiting on their own.

You’re learning on the job. Your assistants are learning on the job. Mistakes happen. You feel like you can’t trust some of the guys you have on staff, so you bring in other guys later on who you know, older guys who need a break. You know them. You feel like you can trust them. Problem is, they don’t run the stuff scheme-wise that you want to run, so you have them clinic with other staffs or a consultant for a two-day cram session. Now, you’ve got a 25-year assistant whose whole world has been built around running The Power and he’s trying to grasp zone blocking or to figure out the nuances of a 3-3 stack defense. More mistakes happen. Big mistakes.

You’re frazzled. You don’t react to players the way you did as an assistant.

Meanwhile, the administration is getting jittery. They’re meddling. Promises aren’t kept. It starts getting real tense. Coaches’ families see it. The players see it. Soon, it’s toxic.

Welcome to the worst case scenario.





@Tom
It was witty enough for that witty premise(if that’s what you want to call that drivel). And I could care less what blog trolls like you think about Pitt, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and America as a whole.

Comment by Lynchahoopieelectrocuteanitter 12.14.10 @ 8:03 pm

link to sports.espn.go.com
Yeah class act program up at PSU. “Since 2002, 46 Penn State football players have faced 163 criminal charges, according to an ESPN analysis of Pennsylvania court records and reports. Twenty-seven players have been convicted of or have pleaded guilty to a combined 45 counts.”
Do your homework before posting Tom. Thanks.

Comment by druc 12.14.10 @ 8:15 pm

lloyd carr is 65 years old … not happening

Comment by Emissions 12.14.10 @ 8:24 pm

45 counts in 9 years? How many of those were underage drinking or public urination? I bet at least 40 of them. Yeah, stuff like that never goes on at a place like Pitt.

Comment by Tom 12.14.10 @ 8:26 pm

link to dailymail.com

Great shot of Luck.

And some of you call Pederson Smiley!

Comment by Beat the hoopies 12.14.10 @ 8:27 pm

2010-2002=8

Congrats on that math degree.

Comment by Beat the hoopies 12.14.10 @ 8:31 pm

Teryl Austin is no longer available. The University of Texas just took him off the board by offering him the DC position.

Another quality candidate we missed out on…. What makes it worse is that he is a PITT Guy and would have taken the job for sure.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.14.10 @ 8:33 pm

3 good coaches off the board. I heard one of the News outlets saying Gattuso was in the running. I can’t beleive someone actually wrote that without laughing.

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.14.10 @ 8:42 pm

lol @Beat the hoopies.

Looks like dental hygiene even exists in WVa. with their AD and rhodes scholar candidates. God.. look at the moss on those tusks

Laughing at the billies always brightens my day.
That and Poopie Pants Joe.

Comment by B 12.14.10 @ 8:43 pm

this keeps getting better. WVU pays Stew 900k a year. They will now pay his future replacement 2mil a year once he takes over the job. Super job. Stew must feel pretty good tonight about how WVU feels about him.

link to current-movie-reviews.com

Comment by IUP 12.14.10 @ 8:43 pm

lol @Beat the hoopies.

Looks like dental hygiene DOESN’T even exist in WVa. with their AD and rhodes scholar candidates. God.. look at the moss on those tusks

Laughing at the billies always brightens my day.
That and Poopie Pants Joe.
Comment by B 12.14.10 @ 8:43 pm

My bad

Comment by B 12.14.10 @ 8:45 pm

Gattuso gets the job, we move down to Division II and finally admit we’re solely a basketball school.

Comment by steve 12.14.10 @ 9:06 pm

not so surprisingly, Tennesssee Volunteers lose tonight at home vs Oakland 89-82 … Scottie Hopson who couldn’t miss on Saturday (27 pts) went 1 for 7 from the field tonight

Comment by wbb 12.14.10 @ 9:11 pm

Interesting, wbb. Comes with Top 10 territory: You don’t win if you play not to lose.

Comment by steve 12.14.10 @ 9:18 pm

link to dailymail.com

Luck can’t help how he looks, but here is a story from a West Virginia sportswriter about a search making the school/program look bad. Read the whole thing and feel a little better about Pitt and Pederson.

Comment by Beat the hoopies 12.14.10 @ 9:19 pm

with all the ridiculousness thats been going on I’m not quite sure how I feel about this, but apparently Temple is entertaining the idea of Cignetti as a possible candidate

Comment by HAIL2PITT 12.14.10 @ 9:23 pm

B 12.14.10, you make all of us pitt fans look like childish jerks. how about we keep the intelligence level above 1st grade. wait, did you actually go to pitt? if you did…i’m going to worry…because you make me ashamed to have gone there too. let’s stick to football and not negatively stereotyping an entire state. if this wasn’t an anonymous message board and you made those remarks to someone’s face…i hope someone has mercy on your soul. geez.

Comment by pittman11 12.14.10 @ 9:23 pm

Bill Stewart will be available.

Think about the possibilities.

Comment by steve 12.14.10 @ 9:28 pm

Oakland lost to Michigan St by 1 point the same day we lost to Tennessee. They might be pretty good.

Comment by maguro 12.14.10 @ 9:44 pm

@ pittman11

it seems a lot of people on this board are concerned with the “pitt image”. no offense, but do we have one? we haven’t been relevant in football for decades. let’s pick a guy that wins, period. i don’t care if he has a southern drawl or wears a mullet. whatever. if he has the drive and the football mind to win games the rest takes a backseat. are people across the country worried when alabama hires nick saban (from west virginia by the way) and he has an accent and a team-hopping attitude? no, he wins championships…end of story. pitt needs someone that wins….regardless if they are from new england or the deep south. lastly, this whole “pitt image” thing and pitt needing a classy coach to fit the image…some of you posters need to re-read the definition of classiness with your less than classy stereotypes of west virginians. i live in pittsburgh and those comments are like the pot calling the kettle black. yinzers vs hillbillies…not so different then we would like to think.
Comment by pittman11 12.14.10 @ 3:45 pm

Let me get this straight, you can compare yinzers to hillbillies but I can’t make fun of Oliver Luck’s dental hygiene.

Give me a break tool

Comment by B 12.14.10 @ 10:20 pm

@ B: i’m not comparing us and them to make fun of anyone “yinzers vs hillbillies”. my point was to say – look in the mirror. you make fun of them (not just saying, “you suck at football”…but unfairly saying “dental hygiene” crap or worse) because it helps you to feel superior and place a social distance between a group of people that you feel you can be superior to…and consequently look down upon.

i hate to break the news to you though: we’re all in appalachia and all share common beliefs/attitudes/blah, blah, blah. just because you cross an imaginary boundary that separates wv from pa….things don’t change dramatically…if at all.

sure pittsburgh is the biggest city in the region, has the pro sports teams, the best mueseums, the best universities, etc….but at the end of the day…we are still the “paris of appalachia”. i embrace this commonality while you try to ideologically fragment our region to perhaps bolster your own self worth.

see:
link to parisofappalachia.com

sorry for getting off track…now back to football.

Comment by pittman11 12.14.10 @ 11:06 pm

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 12.14.10 @ 11:49 pm

So let me get this straight Miami takes our number one choose for coach Al Golden. and WVU took our number two Holgorsen and we are now saying Bradley looks good when last week all most nobody wanted him. yes sure we are doeing real good WVU just kicked our ass. sounds like something i remember oh yea Nebraska.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.14.10 @ 11:54 pm

I don’t see Leach coming here although it would be fun to watch him drive SP and Nordy crazy with his *&^% you attitude.

I still think that chris Pederson is the best choice. It’s going to take some $$$$, but I don’t think it’s impossible.

Nordy needs to quit the Jack Benny impersonation (Old cheapskate reference) and open up the purse strings. Pay the big time money for a big time coach, or drop down to Div II.

Comment by WH 12.15.10 @ 12:07 am

How many current coaches at BCS schools have less than 5 years of experience under their belt?

Answer: 40 out of 65. 40 BCS schools have lost, fired or retired their coaches withing the past 4 years. Almost 2 out of 3.

We tend to wish for an instant fix to our football woes with a quick hire of the next great coach who will love the job and stay forever. But the reality is that most coaching choices are mistakes.

THe best we can expect is a good search process that yields a viable candidate who can re-excite the fan base. Chances are we’ll be back here in a few years to do it again, but maybe we’ll get lucky.

Majors I was a lucky choice (lucky that he brought Jimmy Johnson and Jackie Sherrill with him). Sherrill was a lucky choice too.

So much depends on unmeasurable factors. Can he build a staff? Can he relate to kids with big egos? Will he get along with the admin? The alumni? Can he make decisions under pressure? Etc., etc. For the most part, you just don’t know.

We all need to chill a bit and hope for the best. The stats indicate that most of the guys that looked like hot prospects but have already been hired elsewhere will be gone within 4 years anyway.

Comment by Dock71 12.15.10 @ 12:16 am

Bradley has been with the old man since 1979…THAT IS 1979 a time before things such as Cell phones and the Internet were in use by the general public. He has stayed there because he has been afraid to leave. He was worried that he could do no better.

If he had confidence in himself and his abilities he would have walked years ago like so many have done during his tenure. It’s called the conservative approach and playing not to lose we have had enough of that on the football field over the last six years.

Bradley has made his bed now he needs to lay in it.

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 12.15.10 @ 12:24 am

This sounds about right to me about Baldwin

link to sportingnews.com

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 12.15.10 @ 12:59 am

Here’s nothing new …Pitt meeting with

Mike Haywood (you blow me)

No disrespect but it was to easy and I have been saying it every time I hear his name mentioned.

link to pittsburgh.scout.com

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 12.15.10 @ 1:02 am

Steve “Sausage king of Pittsburgh ” Peterpuffer is a stupid ass and should be fired,put up the money or retire from Pitt athletics…. If pitt would pay the going rate of around 2 million and the Pitt Alumni would rally together to come up with the other 1 milion why cant it get done to bring in a big time coach like chris petersen? Make the initial investment and do a sliding scale after attendance is increased. 3 million to coach in a AQ league is way far better than playing for nothing every year in my opinion. buy part of the shithole shenley park and have a on campus football stadium. Pitt has not made a decent effort to build a football environment kids get shuttled to the stadium who wants to do that when u are a poor college student that can barely afford tuition! I am fed up as a former season ticket holder. Honestly the only thing that i can take pride in nowadays is pitt basketball.

The Most Disgusting Shit I’ve Ever seen,never will pitt suceed in forming a powerhouse program with is bozo of a clown running the show! How much is a average price for a ticket for heinze field, times that by 66,000.

Comment by POLE 12.15.10 @ 1:14 am

[…] presumably moved to Dana Holgorsen as the next target. It turned out, however, that WVU’s AD had already been seeking out Holgorsen. Trying to meet and interview with the guy back in the beginning of  December, and started working […]


Druc – we really have no leg to stand on lately when it comes to arrests – PITT had a banner year for that in 2009-2010. Matter of fact two of our (ex) players showed up in the news today… one who is being bound over for trial in a drunken hit & run.

No, best let that subject die out….

Comment by Reed 12.15.10 @ 3:55 am

You got to luv Zeise’s comment in his blog

http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/pitt-redshirt-diaries/23836–a-look-at-michael-haywood

“If nothing else think of this as a good sign for Pitt fans if Haywood is indeed being hired today — Pitt picked a head coach on the same day that Neil Diamond has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!!!”

Hail to PITT!

Comment by PITT fan in Atlanta 12.15.10 @ 3:39 pm

Now this is what I am talking about. A passionate coach with energy!!! Hire him now!!

link to youtube.com

Comment by PITT fan in Atlanta 12.15.10 @ 3:43 pm

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