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June 24, 2010

Summer League 2010, Day 2

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 11:07 am

The value of summer league games always comes up for debate. To some it is little more than a bunch of glorified pick-up games. To others it is deep insights into the players and team.

Will it be as important to the team as the trip to Ireland and the 10 practices as a team under the watchful eyes of the coaches this summer? Not a chance.

From the perspective of continuing to generate fan interest and build team chemistry, I think the summer league is a fantastic thing. Extra bonus this year is the fact that former players like Levance Fields and Aaron Gray are showing up.

More than any other time in Pitt’s basketball history, there is sustained excellence, continuity and a connection between the past players and the present  just not seen before.

I do find it amusing/odd/annoying that there is more easily available (i.e., free) and consumable material on the summer league via the Pitt News, Pitt Script and Pantherlair.com than there was over football spring practice — even with beat writers supposedly covering that.

So, here are the Wednesday reports from Bryan at Pitt Script and Pantherlair.

Things I am taking from the reports to this point.

Zanna appears to be making real progress and may well turn out to have the value recruiting sites put on him despite being a project.

Ashton Gibbs appears to be even more confident in himself. Not in an egotistical way, but knowing he can make shots and score.

There will be inconsistent play, but the best thing to see is which players are consistent with their performance and effort each night.





I’m in the glorified pickup game camp. I can’t believe that there are people who actually take it so seriously. It’s really only a very small group of internet posters, though. Most Pitt fans probably doesn’t even know it exists, or cares. WVU thought so little of it that they don’t even participate in it anymore.

Comment by Mark 06.24.10 @ 11:43 am

I respectfully disagree. You can at least tell if someone has added something to their game or if they have changed their body type.

I can say last year that I watched Gary McGhee in the Pro Am and thought he looked great. He was chiseled, confident, going strong, and making free throws. He carried that right into the season.

Likewise with Wanamaker. He looked confident and was very active in the pick up games, including as a leader. He too carried that into the season.

Further, Taylor looked awful in the summer league. Likewise in the early part of the season. I think it is a good indicator, albeit imperfect.

Comment by Joe 06.24.10 @ 12:39 pm

I’m kind of inbetween. The main thing is that its good that this league exists and the guys get to stay on campus in the summer and still play ball against solid competition.

More importantly the BE hoops matchups have been announced. We get USF, WVU and Nova as our home and homes this year.

link to bigeast.org

Comment by Pabs 06.24.10 @ 12:49 pm

McGhee and Wanamaker would have improved anyway. They are at Pitt. Everybody improves. Did we really need the Pro-Am to tell us that? I’m sure it’s fun to watch but I think the reason the real media doesn’t report on it, except for one article at the beginning, is that it’s not really a big deal. There’s probably a hundred fans (mostly the nuts on the Rivals and Scout boards) who make a big deal about it and nobody else cares.

Comment by Mark 06.24.10 @ 1:27 pm

If you enjoy Pitt basketball, it’s a great way to see the team play in the off-season. I like seeing how the new freshmen fit in, and I like the up-close feeling of the venue (although as a result it gets awfully crowded at times).

Unless you are an “Internet nut” like me, it’s free, so you cannot complain about the price. (I believe in the league, so I contribute a bit. I also know that Jamie Dixon values these games.)

As for WVU, I think the issue is that for them the Greentree league involves a serious commitment to driving several hours each way a couple of nights each week.

Comment by Hollow Panther 06.24.10 @ 1:47 pm

Agree with Joe. You can absolutely learn something from watching these guys play basketball. Is what you see in Green Tree 100% transferrable to what you’ll see at the Pete in February? Of course not.

Can you, with a little bit of basketball knowledge and some imagination, make some projections about what you are likely to see next year? ABSOLUTELY.

Besides, it gives us hoops junkies something to talk about in June and July. Certainly beats talking about the Pirates.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 06.24.10 @ 3:05 pm

Joe, Hollow and Boubacar are correct. At season’s end of McGhee’s sophomore year, I figured Pitt made a mistake on McGhee and that he may be asked to transfer (ala Casson Diggs and Dwight Miller). Also, I thought that our McDonald’s All-American (Dante Taylor) could be a one-and-done. After reading the blurbs last year on the games at the league, I knew that McGhee was going to be a competent BE player and that Dante wasn’t going to “the next level” for awhile. The league has value and provides insights.

Comment by BigGuy 06.24.10 @ 3:32 pm

Have to agree with the majority that it’s more than just glorified pick-up basketball. In addition to the pluses already mentioned, the main difference is that it’s a LEAGUE with set teams, standings, playoffs and a champion. That separates it from simple pick-up games.

Being competitors most if not all of these guys likely want to be league champs, so they focus on the things that will get them there – teamwork, defense, passing, etc. You wouldn’t get that in unorganized pick-up games. You’d get ballhog, dunkfest, no-defense play instead. That has to make a difference when they’re playing together again for real.

Comment by TampaT 06.25.10 @ 2:29 pm

I think just about anyone who saw Zanna in the summer league last year recognized that although raw and lacking upper body strength, he was going to be a good one. Although getting a big guy is a priority for the final recruit for ‘011, I don’t think Pitt would be hurting with JJ and Talib at the 5.

Comment by wbb 06.25.10 @ 6:52 pm

Haven’t been this year yet (vacation last week) but there is no doubt that important things can be gleaned from the summer league. The Taylor and McGhee examples are obvious ones, as is Zanna. Diggs’ shortcomings were also easily identified. And getting to see the newcomers, and just all of the team, so up close and personal is a huge bonus for the true junkies, the number of which keep growing every year.

Comment by Carmen 06.29.10 @ 9:21 am

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