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June 14, 2010

Maybe the Big 12/10 Survives?

Filed under: Big XII,Conference,Money — Chas @ 1:59 pm

Yeesh. Push out an expansion round-up. Head out to do some things with the kids (summer vacation in full swing). Get back and find out that nearly as soon as I posted, that the Big 12 may yet survive.

Orangebloods.com: According to sources, Texas will announce as early as today that UT will commit to a 10-member Big 12.

Or not:

One source said commissioner Dan Beebe’s last-minute plan to save the conference has “zero” chance to succeed. Another source said it is “very unlikely” to succeed.

Who knows at this point. Maybe Texas told the other members that they would stay if everyone agreed to stay and make a contractually binding agreement — filled with punitive penalties, costs to make it extremely prohibitive to leave and an extended unwinding. I would imagine Missouri would balk, and there would have been a good chance at Texas A&M also hesitating.

Here’s the thing. Texas has the position of strength that it can make, say a 5-year commitment to the Big 12/10. They will still be a sought after program by other conferences in five years.

Texas A&M and especially Mizzou cannot be that sure of things. If they make a commitment and then the Big Something does go to 16, they are stuck. They could find themselves missing their chance at the Big Something, the SEC could be set at that point,  and then still see Texas leave them in the remains of the Big 12/10.

I guess, it just seems are too far gone for Texas (and even Texas A&M) to do a 180 and save the Big 12/10.





Chas, absolutely correct. Texas and ND will always have an open door down the road and they will both command preferential treatment for their commitment. It really leaves all the lesser conference teams very vulnerable. I see this as a ploy to blame A&M, along with Nebraska for the breakup of the Big 12 before they head off to the PAC 10.

Comment by TMGPanther 06.14.10 @ 2:09 pm

Latest news, and maybe why Larry Scott turned his plane around:

“Based on a TV deal in the works that could pay them upwards of $25 million per year, Texas is leaning toward staying in a 10-team Big 12 for the foreseeable future, Orangebloods.com has reported, citing sources familiar with negotiations.

Texas was meeting Monday with the other remaining nine schools in the Big 12 about a TV deal included in a plan put together by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe that would keep the league intact with its current programs, according to multiple reports.

link to sports.espn.go.com

Comment by Steve 06.14.10 @ 4:16 pm

If the Big 12(10) somehow manages to stay together it hurts the Big East in having little in the way of quality programs to add to our depleted 8 team conference. No Kansas, No Mizzou
or KState means that the Fedx chairman’s offer of $10million to the conference that adds mighty Memphis will start to look good. I still believe that Pitt is in a very poor position. RU/Syracuse will be used to bring the NY market to some conference for TV. WVU is a very strong team in terms of fanbase (small TV market)that
has developed into a national power in basketball and football (perfect for the SEC).
UConn is a natural addition to the ACC because it further extends the footprint of the league in New England. Pitt had better be seriously thinking of finding a way to bail out of The Big East by selling our story to the ACC or The Big 10(12). We have no way to control what NDU will do because they are in the drivers seat with the huge NBC multiyear contract. Pittsburgh will not support a Panther team that is playing ECU, Memphis, UCF, Temple and Buffalo!!!

Comment by Isnore 06.14.10 @ 4:44 pm

Yep, Isnore we gotta be proactive. We gotta flee.

Comment by Steve 06.14.10 @ 4:47 pm

Just saw a breakdown of amount of money to each school from the conferences…
Big 10 $21Million
sec $17MM
Pac 10 $11MM
Big 12 $11MM
Big LEAst $7MM

This is all about money. Nothing else.

Comment by Dan 72 06.14.10 @ 5:15 pm

Lots of numbers floating around. here is what ESPN indicated is the current take for TV revenue. Evidently Big 12 feels that can substantialy improve their number to $160 million. If that’s true, why didn’t they already do that?

BCS conference Amount of contract

Big Ten $242 million
SEC $205 million
Big 12 $78 million
ACC $67 million
Pacific-10 $58 million
Big East $33 million

Comment by TMGPanther 06.14.10 @ 5:35 pm

For the time being, it would be better if the Big XII stayed together, provided Texas can keep A&M from jumping to the SEC. This is where everything now hinges.

Should Beebe keep the Big XII together, then the Pac 11 takes Utah and goes to 12. Eventually, TCU and Houston get invites to the Big XII. Note that the University of Houston is raising a substantial sum of money to refurbish an arena and rebuild their football stadium, and Houston is a huge market. In the meantime, the Big Can’t Count stays at 12 and so does the SEC. Notre Dame stays as an independent.

This gives Pitt, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, Syracuse and USF some breathing room. The football schools must separate from the basketball schools and add who they can. If it means adding Temple, ECU and UCF, then that is what has to happen.
The BE FB schools have enough trouble filling their open dates as it is.

If aTm does to to the SEC, then Texas, Texas Tech, OU and OSU jump to the Pac 11 and they take one more school, be it Kansas or Utah to get to 16.

The SEC will then go after three ACC schools (Georgia Tech, Florida State and Clemson) to get to 16.

The Big Can’t Count goes after Rutgers and Syracuse, leans harder on Notre Dame and tries to lure Maryland. If Maryland says no, the they ask Pitt – or, they invite Pitt to lure Notre Dame. They will end up at 16.

In the end, the remaining ACC schools, the remaining BE FB schools and the remaining Big XII football schools come together. They will have to or they will all lose their BCS bid to the Mountain West.

it’s all up to the Texas A&M Aggies now.

Comment by Penguins Fan 06.14.10 @ 5:42 pm

it seems confirmed now that Texas is staying and the B12 may stay at 10. I assume that part of the agreement will be that no team can leave for a minimum period of time (5 years?) Note, however, that Mizzou can make much more if it got a B10 invite … but A&M comes out smelling like a (yellow) rose.

As I have been saying for 2 months now …. no use getting worked up since everyone is reacting to one speculative report after another .. most of them have been incorrect. Who knows what and when is nect.

Comment by wbb 06.14.10 @ 8:28 pm

Yeah. For sheer entertainment value alone, I was hoping for the big shakeup. But as the weekend went on, and I read a few more articles, it began to look like UT could work some deal with an ND-style TV contract in exchange for not breaking up the old gang.

This will clearly be more lucrative for UT than sharing TV money, and they still get to rule the roost.

I think realignment will still happen in some form, but will be long and slow now.

For now, I guess, the BE stays together. Maybe this will wake them up enough to solidify the conference.

Comment by Spanky 06.14.10 @ 8:32 pm

The answer to Pitt’s future rests in how well the team does in the next few years. It is quite possible that expansion efforts will slow down for the time being (unless Notre Dame suddenly decides that it does not want to stand alone). If Pitt continues to recruit well and Wanny is able to start winning the “must have” games we will have a very bright future. Can Pitt win the Big Least Championship? Can Pitt reach a BCS BOWL and win? Can Pitt avoid losing to inferior teams like NC State? If we can play well enough to be ranked in the top 10 for the next 2-3 years the doors will open for Pitt when expansion time rolls around again. I hate to say it, however, my confidence in our fearless leader is somewhat shakey. The basketball team has not reached the top of the heap despite strong effort…can our football team with a somewhat lesser coach achieve true national recognition as a real national powerhouse?

Comment by Isnore 06.14.10 @ 9:21 pm

Dreams of road trips to Ann Arbor, Madison and Champaign, or, possibly, Raleigh, Talahasse or Charlottesville, down the drain…….Now, back to Thursday night games against USF, and the River City Rivalry. Wow, they have the trophy, I hope we get it back!!!!

Comment by Dan 06.15.10 @ 9:00 am

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