Being an alum of a Big East school watching the Big 12 on the verge of absolute destruction is kind of like watching a bomb explode. It’s kind of cool to see the carnage, but you aren’t protected like all those assholes safely in the bunkers (Big 11, SEC, Pac-10 and ACC).
Nebraska seems poised to tell the Big 12 to get bent, but is lacking one key thing.
The source said the school is leaning toward the Big Ten, but an invitation hadn’t yet been extended, and there was no indication when that would occur. The consensus within the athletic department is that Nebraska wouldn’t separate itself from the Big 12 without some assurance that a Big Ten invitation would come, the source said. The Big Ten has set no date for any announcement in the coming weeks, leaving open the possibility that Nebraska could be left in limbo.
Sources at two other Big 12 schools told the Omaha World-Herald that their athletic directors have instructed them to be ready by week’s end for a briefing on probable Big 12 changes.
It’s the fact that more than one school has athletic directors bracing for upheaval as early as the end of the week that has this with a certain sense of inevitability. They just need to know they have a golden ticket.
With Nebraska the apparent pin to the grenade for expansion carnage, it is time to give a golf clap to Texas for doing its best to make sure it does not look like the reason for Big 12 destruction.
Texas is not the villain here.
If anybody, it’s Nebraska and Missouri, because they’ve openly flirted with the Big Ten and made it clear they’d leave the Big 12 in an instant. Texas has steadfastly made it known it wants to preserve the status quo, and why shouldn’t it, when it rules the roost?
Maybe Texas could show good faith in the all-for-one department by agreeing to more equitable revenue sharing, but as one Big 12 athletic director told me, the other 11 schools agreed to this formula at the league’s inception, and it takes nine votes to change it.
Make no mistake, there is a bit of gamesmanship and PR stuff going on. The one thing that was taken away from ACC expansion in 2003, was the ham-handed way it was handled by the ACC and Miami. Their failure to be upfront about things early and not laying any groundwork for the reasons. From meeting with sympathetic media to explain their position, to letting the Big East be the ones to call them out. They let themselves be portrayed as greedy raiders intent on harming a conference and all those schools.
It made hash out of what could have been explained as simply as finding a good geographic and academic fit that provided more stability for their conference and more money to compete in the college sports landscape.
So you will have Nebraska partisans taking pains to paint Nebraska not as the one to destroy the Big 12 for any petty disputes with Texas, but because they have to do what is best for Nebraska in the long-term. Even if it means the end of the Big 12.
You wonder what goes through Osborne’s mind in the late stages of the current “game.” I’m guessing he’s not entirely comfortable with the whole dadgum money-driven situation. After all, this game’s about big-boy money. It’s about billion-dollar television contracts, one of the two major revenue streams left in college sports. Kill or be killed. Yep, that serious.
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Meanwhile, Texas and its media chums hope to make Osborne the villain in this game, as the man whose next move could break up the Big 12 and set off the dominos. If looking out for your school’s best interests in an unstable climate makes you a villain, then put a black cowboy hat on Osborne and point the horse due east, because the Big Ten clearly represents the best destination for Nebraska.
At least one person sees plenty of blame to go around.
Jon Sundvold – former Missouri basketball star and NBA player, uber-respected TV commentator and financial wizard – got my vote as a stand-up guy Tuesday morning when he became one of the few folk in Columbia, Mo., to return a telephone call.
Sundvold knew the subject was college athletic expansion and that I wanted his thoughts on Missouri’s role in all of that. And he gave them. As an interested bystander, for sure, and not one of the decision makers.
But on that level I considered them worth sharing here:
“I don’t know what’s going to happen,” Sundvold said. “Most of the people in Columbia have no idea. But it is the only thing they are talking about.
“If it blows up – if the Big 12 blows up – it should go on all their resumes. The presidents and the chancellors, if it doesn’t survive.
“It will be a phenominal failure on the parts of chancellors and presidents.”
You know there will be a lot of hindsight and revisionism about how this was inevitable for the Big 12’s break-up. I’m not sure I buy it. Unlike the Big East which has inherent conflicts between half the schools by the nature of their athletic emphasis or private versus public. Except for Baylor, the conference was all large, state universities
Yes, there were conflicts and issues integrating the remains of the SWC and Big 8, but nobody every made an effort on either side. Instead it was each side trying to exercise their power and control. Nebraska leading early, then Texas. Oklahoma played the middle to whichever side had power. No one worked to really make it better. And just as importantly, because the schools like Texas and Nebraska took turns trying to rule, both ended up working together to keep the conference leadership structure weaker. Weak leadership hurt on TV negotiations and dealing with egos.
That said, if you don’t think this break-up will get ugly and messy, then remember, an entire state is about to be eliminated from the BCS.
“This matters athletically,” [U.S. Rep. Jerry] Moran said, “but if there is a change in conference affiliation, that also has consequences to the universities — enrollment, prestige, those kinds of things. It matters to me a lot.”
U.S. Sens. Pat Roberts and Sam Brownback, both K-State graduates, expressed similar sentiments in a joint statement Tuesday. Brownback, a Topeka Republican, is considered the odds-on favorite in the November governor’s race.
“We believe as charter members of the former Big Eight Conference and as current members of the Big 12 Conference, it is important Kansas State University, the University of Kansas and the University of Nebraska continue to partner with the Big 12 Conference,” the statement read. “We remain hopeful the Nebraska Board of Regents will come to the same conclusion as the Kansas Board of Regents, that member institutions should join efforts to sustain and advance the Big 12.”
The outpouring of political support can be traced to fears that a Big 12 breakup would leave the state’s two flagship universities without a major-conference home.
The benefits of BCS affiliation are most evident in the world of athletics, but they extend to other areas of the university. K-State’s status in the Big 12 helped the university land the $650 million National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility, and Big 12 affiliations contributed to the creation of the Kansas City Animal Health Corridor between Manhattan and Columbia, Mo.
“My impression is that the prestige brings fans and alumni together,” Moran said. “It brings private financial support from Kansans to our universities. It brings students who have an interest in watching athletics. From an academic side, it seems like (Big 12 schools) have a lot in common in terms of who our students are, what degrees they pursue.”
For those reasons, KU and K-State have a vested interest in preserving the Big 12. Moran said he spoke to K-State president Kirk Schulz and KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little earlier this week and pledged any support he could provide.
And don’t think Missouri politicians might not get involved if they suddenly find themselves in trouble — and they might. They seem like lesser players for the Big 11 now. Especially with yet more reports that ND and the Big 11 are talking.
Missouri has just assumed they were in for Big 11 expansion — whether 14 or 16. I admit, I thought as much myself. But with so many reports that ND might finally break, and Nebraska emerging as more desirable for the Big 11 they have a fear if the Big 11 stops at 14.
…given that supposedly the Big 12 is quickly kaput if Nebraska leaves, then Mizzou is also one step away from the Great Plains Division of the Mountain West Conference if the Big Ten decides we are not worthy of inclusion. And in some ways, that’s not the end of the world. We’d still be in a wonderful position for basketball — we’d likely be in a division with KU, KSU and Baylor at the very least — we’d be in position to win the Great Plains Division rather often, and … as I joked to The Beef on e-mail yesterday, wouldn’t it be so much more relaxing to be separated from Texas?
Of course, that was a joke. In a world without a Big 12, clearly the Mountain West (which, in a BCS world, would likely qualify as a BCS conference, whatever it’s actually called) would be able to find a decent TV deal for football … but we’re talking lots of 11:30 Fox kickoffs, games on Versus, and untelevised road games. Granted, that wouldn’t be much of a step down from the current situation … but it would absolutely be a step down. And while Mizzou could continue to recruit the state of Texas … a) Texas is Pac-16 country now, and b) nobody’s really going to care about the Mountain West … at least not as much as the Pac-16, Big Ten and SEC. Recruiting would likely suffer.
If ND does actually break, then I have to assume that the Big 11 will go to 14 and grab Rutgers to do everything to make sure it can claim NY/NJ when combined with ND.
For the best case scenario (for Pitt and Mizzou to get in the Big Something) it requires ND to spurn the conference affiliation once more. With the Pac-16 looming, the Big 11 makes the bold move to make up the changes with volume — both in terms of inventory for games and members — and goes all the way to 16 with Nebraska, Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt. That’s a big assumption, however.
In a way, if the Big 11 really wants to get Notre Dame, they have to commit to Nebraska. Delany has to make sure that he has the conference presidents ready to support Nebraska’s membership no matter what, so he can at privately guarantee Nebraska’s admission.
The Cornhuskers aren’t going to join the Big 11 this weekend, but if they are assured of admittance in the coming months, they could well announce that they will be “applying” for membership in the Big 11.
I still feel like we’re going to be in good shape when the dust settles. I’m feeling like it’s going to be the ACC, however, as ND is going to pull the trigger. They’re going to blink….beautiful orchestration by the Big Ten.
The beginning and end of the Notre Dame hold out is identity. Being independent is who they are, they play who they want, and they get to act special because of it. It’s not money, they make less than if they were to join tomorrow and the amount they earn will continue to decrease in relation to what the Big Ten will be pulling it. It’s all about being a “national brand,” or at least feeling like one.
In the end, even if joining is the only choice for Notre Dame, the students and alums will hate the man who makes the move, which is another reason why getting into the conference is such a difficult task. The backlash will be severe.
And I agree, great job of staying on expansion at PB.
As for Pitt, I would much rather them with the ACC or relevant ACC teams join the Big East.
What do you think PB?
I think in the end, Pitts’ athletic programs and academics are too strong to be left out in the cold. The one thing I dont like is that , as usual, Pitt has to sit around and wait for everyone else to decide where they go.
“All signs are pointing to a Nebraska move to the Big Ten.
A source close to the Nebraska program told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that athletic director Tom Osborne informed athletic staff members within the past 24 hours that the Cornhuskers were going to make the move to the Big Ten conference.
A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com the regents met informally Wednesday and have agreed to move to the Big Ten and that a formal announcement Nebraska is leaving will come Friday — the deadline set by the Big 12 for Nebraska and Missouri to state whether they intend to leave the conference.”
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PITTSBURGH-The University of Pittsburgh has been ranked in the very top cluster of the nation’s public research universities in the recently released 2009 edition of “The Top American Research Universities.” This is the fourth consecutive year that Pitt has earned the highest ranking. Only six other universities were placed in the very top group of public research universities this year-the University of California at Berkeley, the University of California at Los Angeles, the University of Illinois, the University of Michigan, the University of North Carolina, and the University of Wisconsin.
I’ve thought about that, too. Adding Kansas, Kansas State or Iowa State and giving Depaul the boot probably wouldn’t be a bad idea, but the tough part would be getting the other basketball-only schools to agree to it. I think they like the balance of there being eight of them and eight of us (basketball+football schools), and they’d prefer not to upset that.
The Big10 is prepared to destroy its identity for a chance at New York metro cable money, and it’s ours for the taking right now – and ND and our b-ball schools give it to us.
Now, however, with the winds blowing toward a complete realignment across the country, I don’t think it’s viable. Even if the BE doesn’t get raided, in a world of two or more superconferences, I think the BE football schools are going to have to look for greener pastures, or be left behind as well.
@CoachDitka – With ND, I really think being independent is mostly about the money. I don’t think there would be a huge alumni backlash, since, the last time we did “ND to the Big 10”, it was only the ND Trustees who turned it down. Everyone else at ND was for it, up to that point.
ND wanted to be a Big10 member, but was kept out because it is a Catholic school. Nowadays, there are probably millions of Catholic alumni of the 11 Big10 schools, but back then they were Protestant bastions, with most US Catholics being working class and not college educated – ND and their mighty football team was a beacon of hope to millions of US Catholics , and a way to stick it to the WASP overlords.
It seems a bit quaint now, but Catholics are no different than other Americans – we have “oppresssion envy” and long for the days when we were kept down by “The Man” (see FoxNews, CBN, et al and their pathetic crusade to claim there is a “War on Christmas” and the general subjugation the endangered species that is the “White Male”, etc, etc.).
ND alumni, the vast majority of which now are upper middle class and beyond, are a particularly annoying sub group of this type, and still bask in the glory of Knute Rockne leading the ND football team out to the campus gates in the 1920s and confronting the KKK, the latter having just marched up to the campus en masse with torches and all their regalia.
It isn’t just their money and independence that they value at ND, it’s their Catholic identity. The Big East b-ball only schools are all Catholic schools, and ND feels very comfortable in that conference. By allowing them their unique status, the BE has built up a great deal of goodwill with ND, and it might just pay off. Let’s home Tagliabue doesn’t have his head up his ass and can pull this off.
What a coup that would be – the big winners in the Big10 power-money grab being the PAC-10 and the Big East? Fantastic!
The first one was that Pitt received an invitation to apply to the Big Ten.
The second was that Nebraska, Missouri, Rutgers and Notre Dame received invitations to apply.
What I think is going on now is that the Big Ten received four affirmations from all save ND. Notre Dame is not thrilled to be with Rutgers in a conference and that is why they have been holding out on this (and thus it was reported earlier this week that Syracuse was the hold up= ND wants Syracuse instead of Rutgers and those negotiations are on-going.
This whole Pac 10 expansion thing is coming because I am presuming that the PAC 10 Commish briefed his members about all of this getting ready to happen and so they gave him the authority to do what is best for the conference.
Thoughts?