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June 7, 2010

Notre Dame Is A Piece Not a Linchpin

Filed under: Conference,Money — Chas @ 10:27 pm

Before the Pac-10/16 stuff started, there was a theory among many writers and bloggers that Notre Dame was the key to expansion. Now, this has been ebbing and flowing for months. At times there were theories that the Big 11 expansion was as much an elaborate ploy to finally force the Irish into the Big Something.

In recent weeks, the theory went that if the Irish were sufficiently concerned about the changing landscape of college athletics, they would not want to be left behind and thus would join the Big 11/12/14/16. The Big Whatever would stop at 12 without any further expansion.

They would have no need because they got one of the big prizes and no other expansion candidate could deliver the return anywhere close to what ND offered. Then all would be settled down, and most of the conferences would remain unchanged. That theory is still out there. If anything, it seems to be picking up steam once more. Even if nothing is happening.

I don’t believe this applies any longer. This has nothing to do with Notre Dame and issues of their name recognition, diminishment of brand, whatever. This has to do with the issue of expansion now being far more than merely the Big 11 and the Big Ten Network.

It seems almost laughable in a way. The Big 11 and Commish Mike Delany are portrayed as crazed animals with bloodlust for expansion that must be satisfied. Somehow getting ND would satiate that lust. They would be so gorged on their big get, than they would with 3-5 “lesser” pelts.

ND is no longer a key to expansion. They are a piece of it. A valuable piece and desirable, but they are merely a piece now. They only have one conference that wants them and they would consider — The Big 11. They would never fit or go to the SEC. The ACC would be awkward geographically (and there is no way they would be happy to see BC as a full conference partner). They won’t do the Big East all the way. It leaves only the Big 11.

Yes, the Big 11 wants ND. Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez doesn’t seem to have a filter to stop from speaking, and confirming what everyone knew. God bless him for it. I’ve been entertained and informed.

The only way for ND to go by all accounts, is when it is sure that the situation is radical enough that it has no choice. In other words, when it is politically safe for the ND leadership to tell the alums and fake alum of ND that they have no choice. The Pac10/16 probably has done more to further this possibility than any Big 11 expansion.

The Pac-10/16 officially takes Texas off the table for all Big Something speculation. Not because there wasn’t interest on both sides. But because of the Texas politics would force the swallowing of Texas Tech as well. And that just won’t happen in the Big Something.

The Pac-10/16 may end up boxing in the SEC more than it expected. For all the talk SEC Commish Mike Slive had of waiting and seeing about expansion — and being one to finish things, they stand to miss big. If the Pac-16 expansion happens it means that the SEC cannot claim new markets west as it probably expected. It can only opt to further consolidate the Southeast (Florida St., Miami, Clemson, GT) or try to peel off the Virginia schools (which I doubt seriously appeals to either side) from the the ACC.

I don’t believe that Dennis Dodd has inside info, but this scenario makes more sense than the Irish joining the Big 11 and the conference stopping at 12.

The latest scuttlebutt Monday morning has to do with Syracuse being the key to prying Notre Dame loose for the Big Ten.

If Missouri and Nebraska say yes to the Big Ten, I’m hearing that then either Pittsburgh or Rutgers would be paired with Syracuse to form an expanded eastern boundary of the new league. The key, apparently, is taking The ‘Cuse into the Big Ten. The fit already looks good. Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor is a former chancellor at Illinois and provost at Michigan.

In this scenario, the addition of Syracuse collapses the Big East and potentially forces Notre Dame to find a conference home for its minor sports. Not to mention a conference home for football.

Syracuse or not, losing 2 of the 3 members whether Rutgers and Syracuse, Rutgers and Pitt or even Syracuse and Pitt will be enough to break the Big East. That was already a given. Other than that, the scenario — when coupled with the Pac-16 possibility would seem to be that final blow.

But if ND still resisted, the situation would be too risky for the Big 11 to just stop at 14. The idea of waiting a little longer for ND — and then bringing someone else in with them carries too much risk.

They risk an ACC expansion/replenishment that would snatch the more desirable eastern teams. The latest ACC contract, and the idea of far less conference competition for TV deals raises the chance of the money gap — the biggest asset to the Big 11 in attracting new members — being narrowed by the time they ND is ready.

The Big 11 wants ND, but expansion won’t wait for the Irish. But it also means the Big 11 has to dismantle the Big 12 and the Big East no matter what. ND increases advertising dollars and the conference’s brand.

Doing that, though forces the ACC and SEC to do something. The Big 11 did start all of this. Whether they realize it or not at this point, they can’t take a half-step now. They have to finish expansion. They still need new subscribers at a higher price. That comes with expansion into new states.

The keys in this are all in the Big 12 at this point. It is what those members do that determines the course of expansion in 2010. Not Notre Dame and the Big 11.

Is Texas and the other Big 12 schools really serious about the ultimatum? Or is this a case like VT and the Big East where the affirmations are sincere until that offer is actually made, because there is no way to really enforce it?

Are Missouri and especially Nebraska ready to slam the door on the Big 12? If the reports are true, they have until Friday to renounce their lust for Big 11 money and reaffirm their commitment to the Big 12. If they do not, then Texas and most of the Big 12 South are done with the conference and it is off to the Pac-16

At that point, Nebraska and Missouri would absolutely have to prostitute themselves to the Big 11 — and possibly send ninjas to kill the Notre Dame AD and president. Because otherwise, they and the other four left behinders of the Big 12 might as well change their name to Big East, Western Division (Semi-serious there. Move Louisville to that side and you have two 7-team divisions and a decent 14-team conference that has a hell of a basketballs side to it: Louisville, Kansas, K-State, Mizzou, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Baylor).

Notre Dame plays a significant role in expansion, but they do not control it. In many ways, neither does the Big 11 at this stage.





Wow a 14 league or possibly 16 league Big East….that is more than I could have dreamed of…add TCU / BYU / Utah / Boise St. in the western division and one eastern university and you have the Super Big East….why not, everything else is in play why not a really super big conference Big East?

Comment by Marco 06.07.10 @ 10:55 pm

If I were a football player currently busting my hump and risking injury for a BCS school, I’d be more than curious about the dollar signs being flung around out there.

In fact I’d probably want a piece of the action myself.

Comment by Steve 06.08.10 @ 7:17 am

Forget about The Big East…………if this plays out the name of the conference would have to be changed to make some sort of media sense.
The left out basketball schools, Marquette, Providence, Georgetown, etc. can form their own league or join the A10+.

Comment by Isnore 06.08.10 @ 7:28 am

Chas, great article. I know you don’t like talking expansion all the time, but, hey, it’s interesting and very important stuff for Pitt. If you’ve ever seen my posts, you know I’m for the Big Ten or ACC, just don’t want to be left with tickets to Memphis and Temple at Heinz. Lots of variables, many things can happen, but, excellent reading!!!

Comment by Dan 06.08.10 @ 9:03 am

Comment by Larry Hedgecorth 06.08.10 @ 9:59 am

I think the Pac 10 is doing Pitt a huge favor with it’s talk of expansion. As In understand it, ND, if forced to go the the B11, would prefer to be the only team to do so. But it won’t move to the B11 as long as the BE remains viable. The P10 expansion is forcing Nebraska and Mizzou to declare intents immediately. If they decline, and the B11 still wants to expand, you figure it has to raid the BE to get to 15 teams leaving a spot open for ND. Pitt would be one of the first 4 chosen. If Nebraska and Mizzou jump to the B10, then the P10 becomes the P16, leaving the other 4 teams to possibly join the BE teams in a merged conference. Or, maybe the SEC decides it needs to expand, poaching a few of the southern ACC teams, which would force the ACC to expand, or even make it vulnerable to a BE poach. (Imagine BE basketball adding Duke, North Carolina, Maryland, NC State!….just dreaming…but they could effectively make the BE tournament the Eastern Bracket of the NCAA tourney). In any scenario, I think P10 expansion leaves Pitt in one of the Major conferences. The only downside would be if the P10 expands and the remaining B12 teams join the MWC, taking away the BCS bid from the BE.

Comment by Dan 06.08.10 @ 10:13 am

Good post “other” Dan. I have a gut “hope” feeling, that, allthough it’s about $$$$, the Big Ten would still like Pitt for the Academics and to get a team that is doing well in football and basketball to counter Rutgers NYC market, and mediocre at best (recent success excluded) football, and absolutely awful basketball. Someone has got to be saying at those meetings, “hey I know we need cable subscribers, but, look, we need to bring in a couple good teams too”. Maybe just wishful thinking. I would love the ACC too, great road trips, much better football than the Big East, would feel like a conference, not a league, have some commradery (sp?), even trade basketball!!! Gettin’ old, but I’ll say it again, I just hope in a couple years I’m not sitting at Heinz watching E.Carolina, Buffalo and Temple. I’ll be a sad Pitt fan!!! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dan 06.08.10 @ 12:36 pm

If Pitt and Syracuse joined the Big Ten I would think that Notre Dame would almost have to join also in order to stay relevant in all sports.

Comment by Tony Cancilla 06.08.10 @ 1:51 pm

you would have to split the BE into BB only and FB swchools.

FB: Louisville, Kansas, K-State, Mizzou, WVU, Pitt, UConn, Cincy, USF and Baylor plus Syracuse or Rutgers. One or 2 more teams, there would be a conference championship.

Comment by wbb 06.08.10 @ 8:06 pm

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