Let’s face it. This topic is going to dominate college sports for a while.
I have been predicting the Big East’s demise for years. It has lasted longer than I expected (and far exceeded my dire predictions of irrelevance), but it is coming.
Jake Crouthamel, Syracuse’s former athletic director, articulated in a telephone interview Sunday night a dire future for the Big East. Crouthamel, who helped form the Big East as Syracuse’s athletic director from 1978 to 2005, said he did not see the conference’s surviving.
He predicted that Syracuse would be in a different conference within five years and that there would be “utter turmoil” in college sports.
“I’ve been thinking about this for quite a while,” Crouthamel said. “I don’t see a whole lot of alternatives for anyone. You only control what your conference has. You don’t control what the Big Ten or the Pac-10 or the SEC does. What do you do? I don’t know what you do.”
The best chance for the Big East to survive, he said, would be if the Big Ten, with 11 teams, adds only Notre Dame.
That just isn’t going to happen. No matter what your feelings are on ND. No matter if you feel they are being delusional, arrogant, insane. Whatever. It isn’t happening. The students, alum and all forces outside the school are so firmly against it.
The school president, athletic director and even their board could very well know that it has to happen, but that is a long-term issue. If they even tried to make the move it is more likely that they would face such opposition that they would lose their jobs and positions.
Realistically, the problems would hit ND years later. After the present people in power are dead, retired or moved on to another place. So, they have little incentive to commit career suicide at ND for a future they won’t be a part of.
Maybe the Big East survives with football for a while. Maybe it becomes a slightly better C-USA. But if the Big East was considered the weakest of the BCS conferences before the expansion talk, this isn’t going to be an upgrade.
Now I agree with Sean at TNIAMM to the point that the Big East has done nothing to plan for what everyone knew would eventually happen — that the Big East would be raided once more. To some degree I get what he writes and somewhat agree that BE Commish Marinatto as part of that Providence mafia has been protecting the Friars and other b-ball only schools.
What I will say, is that there was no choice once the Big East stuck with the hideously unwieldly hybrid conference. That created two distinct classes of schools with very different goals and visions. At that point the die was cast and the Big East’s end was already in motion. It has merely been a little slower and different than envisioned.
It is one thing for a conference to exist with “haves” and “have-nots” in football — say a Duke and a Clemson from the ACC. But, they all share in the revenue from football and benefit. Duke may not really care about football, but they support it in the ACC. They see the benefits and actually receive them. It is why they actually had an incentive to try to improve. The same goes for Vandy in the SEC, Baylor in the Big 12, Indiana in the Big 10, and so on.
In the Big East, though, Seton Hall, Georgetown and others get nothing from Rutgers, Syracuse or Pitt improving football and getting bowl and TV money. What do they get from it?
In fact, it works against those school’s individual, competitive interests. The additional and substantial revenue stream gives the football school more money to put into all facilities and the overall athletic department budget.
Both sides (and especially the fans) have increasingly viewed the Big East conference offices as favoring the other side to the detriment of their interests. That perception only fuels the distrust.
So, the fact that the Big East now seems paralyzed, unable and unwilling to do things to move forward is a result of its present 50-50 composition and the decisions made in 2003.
So, no. The Big East can’t and won’t kick out Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall, St. John’s, et al. It can’t make Villanova make the leap to 1-A. It won’t bring back Temple and add UCF, Memphis and ECU in a proactive manner. (As opposed to the predictable reactive manner after the Big 10 comes.)
> Schools potentially in the Big 10: Pitt, RU, Syracuse
> Schools potentially scurrying for a new conference: UCONN, WVU, SFU, L’ville, Cincy
> School in NeverNeverland: ND
> Schools in St. NeverNeverland: Seton Hall, G’town, etc.
And The Championship game of the BE hoops tourney will feature Judy Collins singing:
Spot on analysis. The demise of the BE was set in place the very day it was created. It is and always was a basketball conference.
Everything else it did was a reactionary. There was never a plan in place, just damage control.
The sad thing is, I believe with some vision and planning even after the ACC raid there was a chance to not only survive but thrive as well.
When I reminisce about the BE, I will miss it for the basketball. It never had the feel of a football conference–in the end the epitaph for the BE:
Here lies the Big East–a mighty basketball conference
that played some football as well
May it rest in peace
🙁
DaveD
VT, BC, Miami…
This morning Colin Cowherd (ESPN) was carrying on about how strong the rumors are about The Big 11+ adding only one team, UConn.
He was praising UConn because it is in the NE and would help increase the reach of The Big 11+’s potential TV audience. I can see UConn in the ACC
to add some balance to BC’s stand alone position as the only school north of the Mason-Dixon Line.
PITT, Rutgers and Syracuse to The Big 11+ and WVU to the SEC. Pitt can still schedule WVU as an out of conference game prior to the Big 11+ season!!
There’s nothing the BE can do except sit tight and hope that the Big 10 only takes one team.
the basketball only schools get what they want…a basketball only conference.
As mcuh as I like the sability and money associated with joinging the Big 10, however I don’t like being lumped in with Iowa.
The Big 10 is really a tierd conference. UM and OSU are 1st class, PSU Iowa, Wisconsin and MSU make up the 2nd class, so on…
The point is, at best we’ll be 2nd tier, along with PSU and Iowa. With our relatively low attendence and overall perception we could be on the 3rd level.
In contrast, I see no one team that rules the ACC. FSU has in the past, but they are a little down. Pitt is on par with VPI, Miami, UNC, etc.
So if I had my choice, I think being in the ACC might be a better fit. That said, if the Big 10 comes calling we CAN NOT turn them down.
This will be a big boost for football and once Jamie sees how the basketball program will have more dough as a result of the increased revenues genrated through football, he will be onboard.
When this talk all started, I hated the idea, now I would hate not to be included in the expansion!