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March 14, 2010

Selection Sunday Open Thread

Filed under: Basketball,Media,NCAA Tourney — Chas @ 2:34 pm

Just so you know, I’ll be running the liveblog over on Fanhouse this evening to discuss the bubble, seeding and Selection Sunday. The fun will be starting around 5:30 and will probably go 90 minutes or so. Stop on by.

I’ll be posting later on what happens with Pitt and seeding and match-up.

There will be a Pitt Blather Tournament Pool. Complete with a top prize. I am looking for a volunteer to be the bracket manager — and by that I mean choosing which automated major sports site tournament pool, setting up the private group and doing summaries of the leaderboard to post. If you feel like you want to do that shoot me an e-mail at pittblather-at-gmail-dot-com





We are no better than a 4, you heard it here first. Ken Pomeroy is online and easily accessible.

Comment by steve 03.14.10 @ 4:45 pm

I like our chances of reaching another Sweet 16. Just stick to the plan.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.10 @ 6:22 pm

I like the 3 in the West. Oakland should be tough though

Comment by The O-coordinator 03.14.10 @ 6:24 pm

Possible Xavier rematch would be fun. Decent draw with K State as our 2 seed. Elite 8 run is definitely in play.

Comment by Chris S 03.14.10 @ 6:24 pm

3 seed baby! Gotta love getting rewarded for the hard work all year.

Comment by CB 03.14.10 @ 6:25 pm

Steve, You can eat crow anytime now!

Comment by TMGPanther 03.14.10 @ 6:25 pm

West Eastern State really did play amazing this season. I’m glad we didn’t draw the Most Western Conference Champions.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.10 @ 6:35 pm

Couldn’t be more pleased with our draw. No excuses. I even like the matchup with K State. Syracuse will not make it out of the region but I would love to see Pitt face them for the final 4.
Good reward for hard work!+

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.10 @ 6:37 pm

As we speak my wife is serving me raw crow, sashimi style, with feathers unplucked.

Comment by steve 03.14.10 @ 6:44 pm

From Pitt’s perspective, can’t complain too much at all. I think the first two games are winnable and from there, who knows?

Weird bracket overall – WVU fans have to be ticked off. Based on s-curve, Nova was actually seeded higher than WVU. That doesn’t make any sense. Temple was seeded low as well. South is by far the weakest division.

Comment by Mac 03.14.10 @ 6:46 pm

Unreal draw! KSU is the weakest #2 seed. I’d rather be where we are than UK, who has TX 2nd round and then possibly Wisc. Sweet Sixteen seems like legit chance and I wouldn’t be surprised if we went to Elite 8 or beyond.

Comment by Roman 03.14.10 @ 6:56 pm

I have to say they have a very favorable path to the sweet 16, with a little luck maybe a bit further.

One word of warning, K State is a very good team!

Remember a week or so before they were a possible number 1 seed but they stumbled.

Comment by The Oakland Jew 03.14.10 @ 7:10 pm

You should be eating a turkey-sized crow, steve.

Pitt at a 3-seed is right. Their body of work trumps all the 4s. No one on the FanHouse LiveBlog seemed shocked by it.

The Midwest is a BEAST of a bracket, and the East is almost as tough. Duke seems to be getting a pass to the Final Four, but someone will upset them along the way.

Pitt’s bracket is interesting. Potentially facing Xavier, again. Assuming we survive, Pitt vs. K State will be a war! Jamie and Frank Martin sweating, yelling and pacing the sideline. Two tough teams with intense coaches. I hope we get to see that one.

Comment by TampaT 03.14.10 @ 7:12 pm

BYU could actually upset K State before we get the chance to. BYU is 7th compared to K State’s 9th according to KenPom and 9th compared to K State’s 6th in Sagarin’s rankings.

Xavier is a bit scary, they’re higher than us in both KenPom and Sagarin. I have to digest some of the other rankings still though.

Comment by Patric 03.14.10 @ 7:18 pm

Whatever disrespect Pitt may have received in the past, we can’t complain this year. Having a 3 seed sets up much more favorably for Pitt than a 4 seed. That being said…

K-State may be the “worst” of the #2 seeds, but they are still a very good team. They are led by 2 very good, very tough guards. If both Pitt and KSU get to the third round, I think it would be a very interesting game.

Comment by Pantherman13 03.14.10 @ 7:18 pm

Ohh, BYU also beat their conference by a staggering +0.22 points per possession, better than Kansas, Kentucky, Duke or Syracuse.

Comment by Patric 03.14.10 @ 7:20 pm

I very much like our bracket. We will be playing an interesting Oakland team (that we have played within the past 3 years at the Pete, BTW). I have a feeling Xavier will be upset by Minnesota, which makes up a good matchup for Pitt (grind it out/half court). And with a short flight to Milwaukee, I’m bullish on a S16 birth!

Comment by Pauly P 03.14.10 @ 7:23 pm

After digesting my yummy dinner I have this question: Don’t you think we lucked out? C’mon, we won too many nail-biters, even had to fight and scrap against nobodies. Are we among the top 12 teams in the country? Hard to believe. Our seeding isn’t a bad thing, but I think we’ve received Duke-like panache that we maybe don’t deserve this year.

Comment by steve 03.14.10 @ 7:29 pm

ctually no, I don’t think we lucked out. Our body of work needs to be compared to others in a position for the 3 seed. it wouldn’t have been a high crime for us to have gotten a 4, but 3 always seemed correct to me. Nova being seeded higher on the 2 line than WVU is not right , IMO. I thought they were no better than a 3 and could slip to 4.

Comment by TMGPanther 03.14.10 @ 7:35 pm

Oakland got killed by every major team they played so there’s no excuse to not beat them handily. Xavier is always tough, though, and that’s probably an even matchup.

Comment by Mark 03.14.10 @ 7:45 pm

I also like the fact that we haven’t received that much praise. We need to play with a chip on our shoulder. The kick in the pants should have been watching WVU winning the BET.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.10 @ 8:12 pm

Dumb question because I am the Big East football guru and I don’t know squat about mid-major college b-ball: Is this Oakland, Maryland or Oakland, California?

Comment by AJ 03.14.10 @ 8:18 pm

It’s actually Oakland University of Oakland county Michigan AJ.

Comment by Patric 03.14.10 @ 8:22 pm

Thank you Patric. Michigan would have been my last guess.

Comment by AJ 03.14.10 @ 8:23 pm

Oakland is in Rochester, MI and the campus is only 6 1/2 hr drive to Milwaukee.

Comment by TMGPanther 03.14.10 @ 8:26 pm

Pitt has a hard working team, I think they can get to the sweet 16, not big enough, and offensive skills are sorely lacking.Please somebody recruit at least 2-3- big guys with moderate offensive skills

Comment by tip shipp 03.14.10 @ 8:42 pm

Xavier may be a bad matchu[ because of their height … they have a tall, talented at the 4 .. but overall, great seed!!

Comment by wbb 03.14.10 @ 8:48 pm

Oakland Grizzlies led by a 6-11 redshirt junior,and a coach with, 26 yrs of experience. Lets take them one at a time.

Comment by alcofan 03.14.10 @ 9:54 pm

If we play BYU in the Sweet Sixteen in Salt Lake City, it will be a home game for them.

Comment by howard 03.14.10 @ 10:34 pm

Alcofan’s warning is wise advice. Every team to reach the “Big Dance” has the potential to upset its given opponent on a given day. Pitt should win Friday handily, BUT—. In addition to the 6 Ft. 11 Junior mentioned earlier, Oakland has a 7 Ft. soph wating in the wings. Pitt’s rebounders better be ready. I note as well that the Grizzlies have 7 guards listed among their 12 roster players. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if one or two of them was not a 3 pt, marksman. Perhaps the Panthers ought to reaquaint themselves with the David-Goliath engagement. One opponent at a time, gentlemen and the Elite Eight goal can be achieved. George from Columbus

Comment by rev. george mehaffey 03.14.10 @ 11:04 pm

When I saw that Pitt was placed in the West, I just rolled my eyes. This is the fourth time in the last six years Pitt has been in the West Region — which, with few exceptions, means the Panthers have to play several hundred miles from home. It seems the selection committee goes out of its way to put Pitt as far away from its home and familiar courts as possible. There are exceptions, though. Let’s run down Pitt’s first round and regional locations in the Howland/Dixon era (with seeds in parentheses) …

2002 South Region (#3): Pittsburgh’s Civic Arena, then Louisville
2003 Midwest Region (#2): Boston, then Albany
2004 East Region (#3): Milwaukee (where we had to play Wisconsin in 2nd round), then East Rutherford, N.J.
2005 West Region (#9): Boise (lost to Pacific in 1st round)
2006 West Region (#5): Detroit, lost to Bradley in 2nd round
2007 West Region (#3): Buffalo, then San Jose, Calif.
2008 South Region (#4): Denver, lost in 2nd round
2009 East Region (#1): Dayton, then Boston
2010: West Region (#3): Milwaukee, then Salt Lake City if Pitt makes the Sweet Sixteen

With the exceptions of 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2009, Pitt has had (or would have had to) travel to another time zone for its games in either the first and second rounds. That’s almost two-thirds of the time in the last 9 years. I realize that Pitt’s in the Big East, and with so many teams making the tourney, they can’t put all the conference members close to home. But even when Pitt’s been a top three seed, it’s had to do a lot of traveling — often to places where people don’t know that “Pitt” is how you say it … not “Pittsburgh.”

That all said, I LOVE the draw Pitt got in this year’s bracket. Of course, I said that the years they had to face Bradley and Kent State, too … and we know how that turned out. But I like our second-round match-up against Xavier — which isn’t as dangerous without Pitt grad Sean Miller coaching them — and Kansas State has the whiff of an over-seed to me. Yes, they are good. But they haven’t tasted serious NCAA competition much in recent years. The Wildcats’ appearance in the tourney in 2008 was their first in 12 years, and they didn’t make the dance last year. I liken them to South Carolina, which came out of nowhere to get a #2 seed in 1997 and got bounced in the first round (to Coppin State in Pittsburgh’s Civic Arena, of all places).

Comment by Jim Lakely 03.14.10 @ 11:19 pm

Thought I was the only guy here who spelled his name without a “K”
Patric

Comment by Palm Beach Pat 03.14.10 @ 11:29 pm

Again with the West! Echoing Jim’s comments, why are we always getting launched out west?! Somebody(s) on the decision committee went to PSU and is sticking it to us with regularity.

Comment by Matt N. 03.15.10 @ 12:01 am

Thanks for having my back, Matt N. It’s telling that only once has Pitt as a strong seed has been put in the East. I don’t think it’s a PSU conspiracy — Joe Pa has no pull for the hoops tourney — but it’s still a glaring sight. Duke almost never travels far when it is as a high seed as Pitt has been.

Pitt’s been a consistent basketball power for a decade now. How about a little respect.

Comment by Jim Lakely 03.15.10 @ 2:12 am

It’s easy to look through Blue and Gold glasses and say it’s a conspiracy or lack of respect for Pitt in where we get sent, but IMHO there are a couple of factors you need to consider.

First, you are correct that the number of BE teams making it sometimes works against Pitt, plus there’s an effort to favor the higher seeded team within the conference. I think that’s what happened this year. Pitt was likely the #5 BE team in terms of seeding, and in the end, I’d rather be in our bracket than where G’town ended up.

Second, when it comes to placing Big East teams in Round 1-2 games, Pitt is considered a “Midwest” BE team. That’s why we end up in places like Milwaukee, Detroit, Dayton, etc. Those cities are a lot closer to the Burgh than they are to Storrs, D.C, Syracuse, Philly, etc.

Lastly, as far as your contention that Duke gets favortism when ranked as high as Pitt: I’m no Duke fan by any means, but in the past decade, they were a #1 seed 6 of the 10 years. We were that once and they were the #2 in our region.
In their “off years” it looked like this:
2003 – #3 West Region – Rd. 1 Salt Lake City
2007 – #6 West Region – Rd. 1 Buffalo (with Pitt)
2008 – #2 West Region – Rd. 1 D.C
2009 – #2 East Region with Pitt as #1

Have I felt we were screwed once or twice? Sure, but most teams could make that case, even Duke. No sense in complaining about it. If anyone has a complaint, it’s Kansas being the overall #1 and being put in what most think is the toughest bracket. But Bill Self isn’t complaining. He’s excited about their chances. I’m excited about Pitt’s.

Comment by TampaT 03.15.10 @ 9:53 am

TampaT,

Milwaukee is much farther away from Pburgh than DC or Philly, by a long shot. Also, its not just about raw mileage, its about where the center of your fan base is and where they’d likely travel — more Pitt Alums in DC/Philly/NYC than Wisconsin or Dayton…finally, if we win, we have to travel way out west for our toughest games — a distinct disadvantage to sticking east or south.

I think we can do well, but it never hurts to have more of your fans at the game…I’d have preferred a 4-5 seed in the east and taken my chances…we have no fear but fear itself!

Comment by Matt N. 03.15.10 @ 11:48 am

Matt N.: I think you missed my point. I’m saying that Milwaukee is closer to Pittsburgh than it is to cities where other Big East teams are located. Milwaukee is not closer to Georgetown, Villanova or Syracuse than it is to Pitt. Again, with respect to those teams, Pitt is considered a “Midwest” Big East team.

Also, the committee has a hard enough time considering fair locals based on where a school is physically located let alone where their fanbase is located. You’re asking for the impossible if you expect them to consider that. How would they even measure that on a team by team basis?

Comment by TampaT 03.15.10 @ 12:30 pm

I think you missed my point too. It’s not that hard for the committee, really — not many Pitt fans in Wisconsin or Salt Lake City, but plenty in DC,Philly, NYC…if you’re from Florida, you wouldn’t know this (unless you moved from Pittsburgh area)…but we do. Also, who cares what Milwaukee is closer to…the point is its Pitt I’m talking about. Milwaukee is 10-11 hours from Pitt, where DC is 4 and NYC only 7 — and the Big East fan base would root for Pitt as one of its own versus another conference team (except WVU fans)..and those are Big East cities, not Milwaukee or Salt Lake. Unless you lived in the northeast, you wouldn’t pick this up.

Comment by Matt N. 03.15.10 @ 3:36 pm

OK, Matt. Don’t be a knucklehead looking for an arguement, and take off the Blue and Gold colored glasses.

Comment by TampaT 03.15.10 @ 4:04 pm

Accidently hit the submit button before finishing the thought…

My comments aren’t about what is BEST FOR PITT. They’re about the reasons that Pitt goes to the regions and host cities they are sent to. The committee has to try to be fair to the majority of the 64 teams and not just ours. My comments are in response to some thinking that there’s some sort of bias against Pitt from the committee.

Also, since there are no games in D.C. or NYC or Philly, what tourney are we playing in – the NIT? Buffalo and Providence each have two BE teams playing there already and all are higher seeded than Pitt. That leaves Milwaukee as the closest Round 1 locale.

Finally, I grew up in Pittsburgh and am a Pitt alum and longtime Panther Club member. I know plenty about the Pitt fanbase and the Northeast.

Again, look at this with some logic instead of through Pitt-biased eyes. Sure I’d like them to always play close to home. I’d also like someone to hand me a million bucks. Neither is realistic.

Comment by TampaT 03.15.10 @ 4:22 pm

Don’t call me a knucklehead, you pompous do#che bag. And don’t misrepresent my argument — my original comment, echoing Jim’s, was ‘why the west so often’, not just this year — of course any year you could wind up anywhere, the point is it was notable to me, and apparently others, that we head out west often (the PSU line was a joke, which you clearly didn’t get). And for the record, my comment was the original one, which you chose to respond to negatively — not the other way around. I know you desperately want the last word, so go ahead and have it…I won’t respond anymore.

Comment by Matt N. 03.15.10 @ 10:42 pm

Matt: Since you basically baited me into responding, I’m sure you’re anxiously awaiting a reply. So I will, mainly because you are totally twisting things.

First off, my initial response was to JIM’S two comments. I was attempting to explain possible reasons for Pitt’s assignments and also show that Duke was not getting favoritism as he asserted, since they were in the West as much as Pitt when seeded accordingly. Those were all points made by JIM. It had nothing to do with your “joke” and had nothing to do with YOU.

Then you jumped in giving me geography lessons about the distance between Pittsburgh vs. Milwaukee and other cities I noted (BE team locales), when my point was about the distance between Milwaukee and other Big East team cities.

I nicely attempted to clarify myself in case there was a misunderstanding. You responded with some rant about Pitt’s fanbase and how since I live in Florida, I know nothing about that or the Northeast. It had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any of my points and was downright disrespectful, hence the knucklehead comment from me.

Again, my original comment was to JIM in an attempt to offer a different point of view and reasons for that point of view to Jim’s. I even agreed that I occasionally had the same perception as JIM. It had nothing to do with YOU.

So who’s being the “pompous do#che bag” here?

Comment by TampaT 03.16.10 @ 8:30 am

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