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March 1, 2010

Figure this argument will just heat up further over the next week.

Forget on the national level, the Big East is tough enough. The debate seems to be between Jamie Dixon and Jim Boeheim, with some darkhorse momentum for Buzz Williams. All three have their teams significantly overachieving from expectations. All three saw talent departing for the NBA, NBDL or Europe.

Syracuse was picked to finish 6th and will finish with the Big East regular season title outright and untied unless they blow their final 2 and Nova recovers.

Pitt was picked for 9th and could finish tied for 3d or take it outright (it’s possible Pitt could end up in 2d, but that would take a Villanova collapse and Pitt sweeping).

For those who want to make it a simple math problem based on projections to finish and Pitt finishing 6 spots higher trumps finishing 5 spots higher by Syracuse. Don’t. Then you have to acknowledge that Marquette if they finish 5th beat their 12th place projection by 7.

Is it talent? I know we are used to presuming that Syracuse has the talent. If you look in their rotation, though, they don’t have a true blue-chipper. No 5-star players.

Player  — Rivals.com — Scout.com

Syracuse

Jackson —-4 ————— 4

Jardine —- 4 ————— 4

Onuaku —-3 ————— 3

Joseph —- 3 ————— 4

Triche —– 3 ————– 3

Rautins —- NR ———– 1

Johnson — 2 ————– 2

Pitt

Brown ——- 4 ———– 4

Wanamaker — 4 ———- 4

McGhee —— 3 ———- 3

Gibbs ——— 3 ———- 3

Robinson —- 3 ———- 3

Woodall —— 3 ———- 3

Dixon ——— NR ——- 2

Taylor ——– 5 ———- 5

Obviously Rautins has developed and may have been overlooked in Canada. Wesley Johnson was another clear miss from being missed in Texas and transferring out of Iowa State. But it is still 3- and 4-star guys that make up their team. Just like Pitt. Heck if you just look at the “stars” without context, it looks like Pitt has the better overall squad.

Syracuse plays 2 seniors, 2 juniors 2 sophomores and 1 freshman.

Pitt plays 1 senior, 3 juniors, 2 sophomores and 2 freshman.

Pitt had to play early without senior Jermaine Dixon and even had him out for a game later in the Big East season. Plus, Pitt played the non-con without junior Gilbert Brown. Naturally Pitt had more struggles. Pitt had a spell of losing 4 of 5.

Syracuse hasn’t had significant injuries, but they have been excellent all season. Only 2 losses. They have big wins out of conference — to further buttress the argument of how good they have been from the start (LeMoyne may still be funny, but it was exhibition and doesn’t count).

Sean at Nunes has no answer to the issue, because he doesn’t know how to define the question.

Does Coach Dixon get the nod because he took a team that was going to be a bubble team and have them in contention for a #4 or #3 seed? Is it Boeheim with a squad expected to make the tournament, but maybe in the 6-8 seed range and instead has them locked for a #1 seed?

A tie almost seems like the right call, but I have to say the more I look at this, the more I won’t get too worked up if Boeheim or Dixon gets it.

It seems to me that either one has a legitimate claim to the honor. I really can’t that bent out of shape if Coach Dixon doesn’t get it this time.

If you feel strongly one way or another make the case. Just spare me the issue of whether Boeheim has underachieved with more talent in the past. That has nothing to do with a Coach of the Year award.  It is a single season snapshot. Not rewards or penalties for the past.





Pitt could easily end up in 2nd by winning its final two games at home and Nova losing 1 of 2 to good teams. I don’t consider that a Nova collapse? We own the tie breaker against Nova.

Boeheim or Dixon. I could make a case for either one. Both are deserving. It will be a tough call but I suspect that winning the season outright and in position for a #1 seed and possible being #1 in the country will give it to Boeheim.

Comment by TMGPanther 03.01.10 @ 12:59 pm

Assuming they cruise to the end here, winning the BE outright and finishing the season with only two loses ranked #1 are very compelling reasons to give both conf and national COY awards to Boeheim. Those are significant accomplishments- more so than merely jumping pre-season expectations. But the fact that they were picked lower makes it things more significant…I’d give POY to John Wall. Turner maybe. Definitely not Johnson, who is though, still a great player who had a great year.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.01.10 @ 1:36 pm

Cuse has been consistently good and is current No. 1. It is one thing to take an expected above average team to a Top 20 team, but yet another take an expected good team to the elite area … I’m afraid my vote goes to Boeheim based on what has transpired thus far.

Comment by wbb 03.01.10 @ 2:11 pm

simple solution….who won head to head? There’s my vote.

Comment by PITTapotamus 03.01.10 @ 2:22 pm

John Wall isn’t even the player of the year on his own team. DeMarcus Cousins is the most dominant player on Kentucky. Wall is a spectacular athlete, but he is not player of the year. I think Evan Turner should be player of the year. He does everything for Ohio State.

I love how Jay Bilas said Pitt shot lights out against Syracuse and that is why they won the game. Jay you are a smart guy, but that is flat-out wrong. The offensive efficiency for Pitt in that game was 1.09 points per shot. That isn’t that impressive and is below the Pitt’s season average of 1.12 points per shot. Pitt has had plenty of games where the offense was more efficient.

Pitt won that game because of defense and rebounding. Pitt kept Syracuse from getting offensive rebounds, which is where Nova got killed on Saturday, and held the Orange to .95 points per shot. Syracuse averages 1.16 points per shot. Bilas is usually pretty solid, but in this case he was dead wrong.

Comment by Omar 03.01.10 @ 2:35 pm

It’s good point about Cousins. He’s played great. But Wall has literally won (closed) several games for them both on offense and defense. His block in OT against Vandy the other day was great. I somehow can’t get over Cousin’s poutiness at times. But yeah, he’s POY candidate for sure.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.01.10 @ 2:51 pm

Cousin’s is extremely immature. However, he is the most dominant big man in the country. I can’t believe he is a freshman. I wonder how old he is.

Comment by Omar 03.01.10 @ 2:53 pm

I think I read somewhere that Dante Taylor dropped 40 points on Cousins. This might be more of a mystery than Levon Kendall’s 40 point game.

Comment by Omar 03.01.10 @ 2:54 pm

Not sure how old, but he acts like he’s 12. Any team that plays UK in the tournament should send their dirtiest player in to provoke him. You could get that kid kicked out of a game in no time.

Comment by PITTapotamus 03.01.10 @ 2:57 pm

Since Boeheim has not received the National Coach of the year award in his 34 years of coaching he’ll probably recieve it this year for his cumulative contribution. I’m not saying it is right, just likely.

Comment by shadyforpresident 03.01.10 @ 3:00 pm

I watched the game in-person the other day- did I or did I not see Dante make a nifty lefty finger roll from the right baseline in the first half? I thought I did. Is this one of his award winning skills competition type moves he’s been holding out on us?

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.01.10 @ 3:27 pm

Dante is looking less Sleepy every game.

I enjoyed the game in person as well, Silver…until the guy behind me poured a beer down my back.

Sitting close to the Johnnie’s radio color man, I asked him if he thought the refs were calling the game fairly. I thought it was a hoot that, before responding, he asked if I was a Pitt or SJU fan. He then responded, “yes.” He added that since Pitt was taking it to the hoop they were earning their free throws.

Comment by steve 03.01.10 @ 4:28 pm

Watching a lot of Ohio State games this year, it’s hard for me to not see Turner as POY. He is a game changer, clutch shooter, and quite frankly wills that team to wins each and every game. Oh, and he broke his freakin’ back and returned within the same year.

Comment by Pauly P 03.01.10 @ 4:55 pm

I’m leaning toward Boeheim, because Pitt has possibly made a bigger move from their projected finish, but at some point you have to look at 2 losses versus 7 losses for two teams picked to finish middle of the pack. And Syracuse has zero bad losses, and they were ready out of the gate.

We lost to Indiana and to Seton Hall and South Florida and at Notre Dame without Harangody. I’m not too upset that we lost those games, but I do think it takes Dixon out of serious contention with Boeheim for the award.

By the way – being second best in that category is NOT something to be ashamed of.

Comment by ben 03.01.10 @ 6:42 pm

Don’t really feel strong about it either way…Both coaches absolutely deserve Coach of Year. I will say it was annoying to hear the announcers the other night gush over how Boeheim has done it this season with no top 50 players on his roster — guess they haven’t noticed what Pitt does year in and year out. But I guess that’s the beauty of where Pitt is as a program that their way of winning is almost old hat and is easily forgotten. Oddly enough, Boeheim will probably win Coach of Year for doing what Jamie Dixon has to do year in and out, which is win with less than top-shelf recruits.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 03.01.10 @ 6:45 pm

Jamie Dixon deserves coach of the year…there I said it…so I can give praise to without criticism!

Comment by Jeremey 03.01.10 @ 7:39 pm

I agree with Jeremey – did I really say that? 🙂 – that Jamie deserves coach of the year. Even though the players’ HS credentials are about the same, the ‘Cuse guys were more developed and more experienced at the start of the season. Onuaku, Rautins and Jackson were all returning starters, and Johnson had been a starter at Iowa St before transferring. However, I think Boeheim will get it because of the points made by both Shady and Ben.

My POY vote goes to Turner. He’s the whole package on both ends, he can play multiple positions, and like Pauly said, he returned after serious injury to lead his team to a likely conference title. Wall is great, but Turner means much more to his team’s success.

Comment by TampaT 03.01.10 @ 9:17 pm

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