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January 24, 2010

LiveBlog: Pitt-Seton Hall

Filed under: Basketball,liveblog — Chas @ 12:31 pm

2pm start. The game is on FoxSports Pittsburgh, MASN, MSG+ and the ESPN FullCourt package. For those on a computer and the right provider, it is on ESPN360.com.

Another road game, and Pitt puts its perfect conference road record at stake. Nice bit on Wanamaker adjusting his game as needed in the Big East.

The 6-foot-4 junior has gone from Pitt’s second-leading scorer to its leader in rebounds (6.6) and assists (4.1) since the return of senior Jermaine Dixon and junior Gilbert Brown to the lineup.

“It’s a sign of improvement for him,” Pitt coach Jamie Dixon said. “I’m really happy with what he’s doing offensively. He’s getting other guys shots, and he creates a problem for some teams to match up with him because of his ability to go off the dribble as the third guard for us.”

Part of the reason Wanamaker’s scoring average has slipped is a result of his field-goal percentage dropping from 48 percent to 33 percent — he was 4 of 12 from the field against the Hoyas — but he also has more assists (39) and less turnovers (19) in the past seven games than he did through the first 11, when he had 34 assists and 30 turnovers.

“He’s a great penetrator and a great passer,” Dixon said. “Just getting him to have a little more patience offensively has helped him increase his assists and cut down his turnovers.”

Facing a Hall team with a ‘Quip boy (sort of) who other than major foul problems is thriving in Gonzo ball. To the point where he’s running his mouth just a bit.

“I get to show everybody in the City of Pittsburgh what they missed out on,” Aliquippa, Pa. native Herb Pope said. The Seton Hall redshirt sophomore forward verbally committed to Pitt as a high school sophomore, but eventually re-opened his recruitment.

Pope eventually went to New Mexico State for one year before transferring to Seton Hall. He thought about Pittsburgh that time, too. Although the Panthers might not have wanted to deal with all the drama that has followed Pope the previous 3-4 years.

“It was an option for me,” Pope said after Seton Hall’s 80-77 victory against Louisville Thursday night. “I just never wanted to sit down and meet with Coach (Jamie) Dixon and put a game plan together.”

Now, Pope said he couldn’t see himself playing Pitt’s more deliberate style.

“I can’t hold the ball for 32 seconds,” he said with a smile.

Some of that much talked about new-found maturity it seems. Coach Dixon, to no surprise, sticks to the high road. The Seton Hall frontcourt has size, but no one seems to be seeing the girth.

Despite receiving his formal charges for his wrong-way on the highway incident, Keon Lawrence is expected to play.

LiveBlog around 2 pm. If you need to break it out, Click Here.





a pathetic shooting exhibition … too may missed layups and wiide open shots … apparently based on the last 2 games, the best defense against Gibbs is just give him all the room

Comment by wbb 01.24.10 @ 3:56 pm

Another tough loss – too many turnovers in the first half and just poor shooting overall. 35% and 23% from three is not going to win you too many games. The other number that worries me is 110 – that’s the number of minutes played by Ashton, Brad, and Jermaine today (probably would have been higher if JD didn’t injure his finger). I would guess there is a connection between the poor shooting of the past two games and the minutes played by those three kids.

Bottom-line is that I don’t know how they keep winning without getting more of a contribution from their bench, even with a great coach like Jamie. The lack of performance from Woodall, Taylor, and even Gil (maddeningly inconsistent) is not something he can do a lot about – what else is on the bench. That’s my biggest worry right now – Woodall and Taylor in particular have regressed tremendously in my opinion, so much so that Jamie went with Chase and j.j. instead at two points in this game.

Comment by Mac 01.24.10 @ 4:21 pm

This may be the real Pitt team we saw today. Not enough help off the bench to maintain the pace that was set in the first 4 games. A rebuilding year after all?
On the other hand, this Seton Hall team is better than their record. All their losses appear to be close against tough competition.

Comment by Dock71 01.24.10 @ 4:23 pm

these 2 games exposed our weakness, no inside game whatsoever. when we cant make jump shots we have nothing else to go to

Comment by Tony Cancilla 01.24.10 @ 4:33 pm

Got beat by a good team on their home court.Still a long time till March.

Comment by alcofan 01.24.10 @ 6:00 pm

Good point Tony….no inside game it is. Dixon has to work furiously on McGhee and Taylor scorining inside. I think he might even try to move Brown inside. We cannot match up guard vs guard vs Seton Hall, GT and especially Nova.

Coach Dixon will come up with something. I assure you we will not lose to the Hall in a rematch.

Really disappointed in Woodall. He could have really helped today.

Comment by Dan 72 01.24.10 @ 6:15 pm

Like several above have stated, Coach Dixon and the team will make adjustments. They had to in order to get them rolling after a slow start this season, and how they just have to reassess and do it again–let’s not forget this is a team that is almost completely foreign to having a target on their backs. How will Gibbs respond to all of the sudden being the opponents’ No.1 target to shut down? How will Gil respond to realizing (hopefully) that the team can’t have his inconsistent play that he has contributed the past two years?

With this staff and group of hard-working players, I’m excited to find out the answers.

Comment by jason 01.24.10 @ 6:27 pm

Very frustrating loss…SH played their asses off and for the second game in a row, the team that won looked like they wanted it more…Is it just me, or do we do a great job of running all 35 seconds off the shot clock when we are losing by 8 to nine points with 4 or so minutes left in the game? Does it seem that numerous players pass up open shots only to see the shot clock go under 5 and then have to take a wild, bad shot? I said it after the last game and it holds true for this game…the problems are situational rather than systemic. The turonvers and missed layups killed us.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.24.10 @ 6:34 pm

Very frustrating to see the amount of time Gilbert Brown is on the bench when we see the things he can do. When shots are needed to be hit, Gibbs is cold, we need someone who can hit some shots. Robinson just isn’t that type of guy. he plays his butt off and gets lots of garbage points, evidenced by the ville game, but we still need more Brown. He adds another dimension to the offense.

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 01.24.10 @ 10:02 pm

bottom line is you can not let our man to man defense get beat off the dribble and give up all those points in the paint….this team is unable to play the man to man defense jamie wants…he must quit being so stubborn and find some defense to play when we are overmatched with quickness or size…(i.e good guards, and big post players) i believe if we would have stayed in the 2-3 zone all second half, we win the game,,,,also can not just jack up jump shots and allow fast break points the other way…he preaches good shots i know, but he needs to regain control of this team…this one was on our coach….you must put your players in the best spot to succeed….and he has not done that lately starting with the loisville game….we were fortunate they could not make their foul shots and close…would love to hear others remarks…

Comment by drgags 01.24.10 @ 11:16 pm

I was at the game. Seton Hall looked much the better team even with Hazell on the bench…getting easy looks and forcing our bad ones.

The rest of the league has finally learned about Gibbs and he played way too many minutes to make a difference at the end.

I was amazed to read that Gibbs said they were confused by a play Jamie called during a timeout. Is anarchy brewing? If so Terry Dunn is waiting in the wings.

Comment by steve 01.25.10 @ 6:54 am

Gilbert Brown was definitely on the bench too much in the second half. That needs to be corrected. I just don’t understand what has happened to this team defensively. They have taken two steps back. That needs to be corrected immediately. I think Hazell being on the bench actually helped Seton Hall. Harvey ended up playing more and he can get to the hole and is a better defender. Hazell takes terrible shots as well. The turnovers were mind boggling yesterday, especially in the second half. Lot of games left, it shouldn’t be too hard to get back to basics. Gibbs really doesn’t need to take 15 shots either. That is pushing it.

Comment by Omar 01.25.10 @ 9:03 am

drgags I disagree that this team cannot play m2m and that the loss was on the Coach. Jermaine Dixon was our best on the ball defender last season, and at times this season has given people fits. Yet he is getting beat to the hole, you can’t tell me he doesn’t have the talent to play m2m D, because he does. The D was much better in earlier games, even against the likes of Texas, who is far more talented than most every team we’ve played since. Whats with ragging on Coach Dixon, in almost everyone’s mind he was midseason coach of the year and now you think he needs the team under control. They are young, they are learning, their will be steps backwards at times, but in the end he’s building a good team.

Comment by PITTapotamus 01.25.10 @ 9:34 am

After more thought, the Hazell foul situation was a blessing in disguise for Seton Hall. The Pitt game plan defensively was directed at stopping him. When he left the game, Pitt wasn’t sure on whom to key. Seton Hall started feeding the post and driving and dishing for open mid-range jumpers. Plus the added defensive intensity led to turnovers and easy baskets. Pitt gave up way too many easy baskets yesterday. Hazell takes bad shots, if he makes them we lose. Bad loss, but not inexplicable given that it was on the road with Pitt coming off a hard fought loss and Seton Hall coming off a big win. On to the next game.

Comment by Omar 01.25.10 @ 10:07 am

Here comes the Doomsday Expresss…

Funny how some of us were waiting for this time.

Big thing for me is GB needs to be in the starting lineup. Period. We need a legitimate 2nd scoring offense on the floor for most of the game. I understand why Jamie stuck with Nasir (“iff it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”)…but with these last two games, I think he can save face and bench Nasir. Nasir, although a great kid, is no Jaron Brown and never will be. Stop the comparisons. He is a great 10-12 minute a game kid that will have the type of lasting impression that Tyrell Biggs (not Jaron Brown).

Let’s all take a collective breath here before we fire up the Doomsday Express….

Comment by Pauly P 01.25.10 @ 10:54 am

Steve, the Alumni Association did a great job in organizing the brunch before the game. It was the highlight of the day. Then the game started… (I understand that the game was beyond the control of the brunch committee.)

Comment by BigGuy 01.25.10 @ 10:58 am

Again, being there, I humbly sense our players are frustrated right now. Given the choice, they’d rather be playing summer league at Ruckers.

Think back to the ‘cuse game. Slashing and crashing, just having fun.

Comment by steve 01.25.10 @ 11:08 am

BigGuy, the NJ Alumni Club leadership is aces. Many quality events during the year…golf tourney, incoming freshmen picnic, game events like Sunday’s. They deserve recognition as the best Alumni Club among all.

Comment by steve 01.25.10 @ 11:15 am

Our fan base is so ridiculous. they lost two straight close games in the big east. they are 5-2 with some astounding wins. if they bounce back with 2 wins they go to 7-2. lets just relax. if they lose to st. johns and south florida. then worry…

Comment by steelcty86 01.25.10 @ 12:18 pm

Agree. Need to calm down. As poorly as they played, they nearly won. Still some concerns, though, as others have noted.

Dixon’s D: getting beat a lot, and seems like it’s because he’s not fighting through picks, but rather trying to skirt around them.

And I really like Wannamaker at times, but his insistence on trying to dribble through 3 people makes me CRAZY. Will he ever understand how to take better care of the ball?

I, too, don’t understand why Brown wasn’t on the floor more (ask my wife, who probably got sick of me saying “Put Gilbert back in!”). Or, for that matter, why we don’t try to feed the post. McGhee actually made a nice move and scored after being fed in the post, and maybe giving Taylor some opportunities in the blocks, even if he misses, might give him some confidence. He is there at times, if the guards will just look for it.

Generally, the attempt to establish some sort of interior game has to be made. Otherwise, every team is going to sit on the perimeter and give Gibbs fits. Hopefully we’ll start to see a little of that.

Things are tough right now. You knew these days were going to come. The next game, in particular, is important. Need a good all-around performance and a W.

Comment by Carmen 01.25.10 @ 12:51 pm

Brown played 24 minutes, 6 more than Robinson, and had the same number of rebounds and only two more points. They both had 3 turnovers. I agree that I like having him in there too, but he played enough. He’s getting a lot of minutes already. A few more aren’t going to put us over the edge into the realm of his individual greatness.

I really don’t have any problem with our offense. It is what it is with this level of talent. Maybe some better play calling can be made and passing can be a bit more crisper, but these guys aren’t going to score more than 60p very often.

Now on D, I don’t know if it is working through picks or around picks or what, but there seems to be a critical problem with switching or moving on when guards are penetrating. Both GT and SH have now exposed this. What happens is a guard moves off a pick, beats the man (or men), and gets the basket. After this happens a few times, Pitt then overcommits and inevitably will leave a man open underneath for an easy bucket. It’s like a vicious little cycle. Whatever the root cause, it’s poor defensive execution. They gotta turn that around. We haven’t even played Scottie Reynolds yet and he’s a penetrating nightmare.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.25.10 @ 1:22 pm

Carmen, outstanding comments, I agree with you totally.

Comment by ltl49 01.25.10 @ 1:35 pm

24 minutes for a 4th year junior coming off a huge game is simply not enough. Gilbert Brown didn’t get into the game until there was 14 minutes left in the second half. What are we saving him for? Brown plays better when he gets involved early. Against Georgetown Nasir got into early foul trouble in the second half and Gil came in and began to dominate. This has nothing to do with Nasir, who I like as a player. Brown can make a difference offensively and we waited too long to get him in the game.

Gibbs is over-dribbling right now and the offense is getting bogged down on the perimeter. We are turning it over passing back and forth along the three point line. I know Coach Dixon wants to make the other team play defense for 30 seconds, but maybe getting into the set early or running a few plays backdoor will make the defense think twice about being so aggressive that far away from the basket. Definitely need to go inside a few times a half even if it doesn’t lead to points. Carmen is exactly right, that will open things up on the perimeter even if they don’t make the play.

Lot to work on for this team. Losing a game or two is a great way to get the team’s attention. It’s tough to get through to college kids when they are winning every game. If Pitt can get back on track, then this little “losing streak” can be a benefit.

Comment by Omar 01.25.10 @ 2:24 pm

SilverPanther, a few more minutes may have made the difference between a W and L. It was a 3 pt. game. When he is in it is another dimension that Robinson cannot bring, period. It is an additional shooter, and someone who can shot fake put the ball on the floor or flat out beat someone. Also, he is one of the best athletes in the league and can ignite his time with a quick slam. I agree with Omar, 24 minutes is not enough. I would like to see about a 30/10 minute split…maybe Robinson’s minutes can even be higher with Gil seeing some extra time at the 3spot. This isn’t a bash on Nasir, it is just that Gil needs to see more time because of what he brings to the table.

Comment by PITTapotamus 01.25.10 @ 2:30 pm

Agree with you guys on GB. His time has come. He has been in the program four years. Make your mark!

FWIW– I was blessed with some close seats for the GU game, and when GB was on the court in the second half, he passed the eye test as the best athlete on the court in my opinion. I know eye tests don’t mean much, but he just looks like a game changer at times and is often the best athlete on the court. Got me thinking, why not run some sets down low to GB to expose slower and less athletic forwards?

Comment by Pauly P 01.25.10 @ 3:25 pm

Sorry, I just think there’s a little too much handwringing on his playing time. He played and scored plenty against Georgetown and we still lost. And his minutes were measured during those first 5 BE games that we won. So I find it hard to believe that a few more minutes thrown his way will make that much of a difference. He shot 2-7 from the field yesterday and looked stumped most of the time he tried to drive. But I will certainly concede, that I would like to see what we can do with him starting and playing 30+ a game. I was screaming to bring him in as well for offense. Jamie’s m.o. is to always start the starters in the 2nd half and then sub at the 6 minute mark unless there’s foul trouble. He’s pretty fixed in that and he’s been sucessful- the same way he’s been successful with Robinson starting up until this point. BTW, it seems that Woodall has really gone over the edge. That kid is a bit lost these days. Call it the Keith Benjamin syndrome or whatever, but I hope he can pull it together.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.25.10 @ 3:42 pm

pittopotamus….in the ‘ville game we could not stop samuels, in previous games we can not stop penetration…in the hall game they had most of their points in the paint….as a coach, i want to protect the paint first. you can not have the other gaurds getting to the rim….it has happened much this season. easy for jermaine to guard when you have blair in the middle protecting the rim, no one there right now…our rotations are late…we cant stop the high pick and roll, the big men are not recovering from the hedge….and you think we can play m2m defense….what part of man to man defense can we do….we dont help, our man blows by us, we dont rotate, we dont get through picks, we are too slow to hedge, switches are late and slow….you tell me…..what do we do right? dixon sees it, says it in his press conferences, but does not want to make the change….we were winning becuase we shot better, dixon knows that we need to win with defense, but this team is not playing the defense we need, so we must look for other solutions on bad shooting nights, the 2-3 zone against the hall and previously against duquesne i believe has helped us…i think we need to use more of it.

Comment by DRGAGS 01.25.10 @ 4:16 pm

a few notes: The reason McGhee and Robinson gets as much time as they do is due to their defense which is a Dixon priority .. and apparently Robinson’s defense at the 4 is better than GB’s. Also note that there are times when GB plays the 3 where he defends really well, (and when Wannamaker plays the 2) … thus there are a few times when both GB and Nasir are playing the same time.

Comment by wbb 01.25.10 @ 5:19 pm

I’m telling you the defense wasn’t the issue yesterday. TURNOVERS, TURNOVERS, TURNOVERS. This led to easy baskets in transition. The 46% field goal percentage is inflated because of this fact. Seton Hall got 26 points off turnovers with many of them being layups. Pitt turned the ball over on a mind numbing 42% of their offensive possessions in the first half and 30% for the game, and still almost won the game. Cut down on the turnovers and Pitt wins going away. Keep talking about the zone if you want, but it really is irrelevant.

Comment by Omar 01.25.10 @ 5:20 pm

Finally, Jermaine Dixon went out with a finger injury and Pitt had to go with Chase Adams in the first half. Travon Woodall was a walking, talking turnover on Sunday. Seton Hall built a lot of their first half lead with Chase in there.

I am sorry for the fans that are upset about Jermaine’s shooting, but he is the engine that makes the team go. He is a smart basketball player and just knows the game. It is noticeable when he is not on the court. Perhaps he should be a little more discerning with his shot selection, but Pitt is simply not as good when he isn’t on the floor.

Comment by Omar 01.25.10 @ 5:27 pm

I thought Dixon waited way too long before going zone. Seton Hall isn’t exactly a team known for good shot selection and packing it in and forcing an undisciplined team to take their time is a great way to beat them. Especially when your M2M isn’t sharp.

I’m not too worried. they’ve got SJU twice, Rutgers, Providence and S.Fla and ND left on the schedule. Even if they really struggle against Nova and WVU, they’re still way ahead of where I thought they’d be.

Comment by hugh green 01.25.10 @ 5:35 pm

Paint defense is my concern, Omar. I winced every time the ball got there knowing it was a sure deuce when it did.

Comment by steve 01.25.10 @ 5:41 pm

They seemed to defend Greg Monroe pretty well. I wouldn’t worry to much about it. Tough day at the office. Like hugh said, the rest of the schedule is manageable. Have to get the wins against the bottom tier. Need a win on Thursday and Sunday. 7-2 would be awfully nice heading in to the 2 games in 9 day stretch against WVU.

Comment by Omar 01.25.10 @ 5:46 pm

Jonathan Baldwin will be suiting up to defend Kennedy. Victory assured.

Comment by steve 01.25.10 @ 6:12 pm

Talk about horrible timing to ever fragile Pitt fan psyche…

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Comment by Pauly P 01.25.10 @ 6:58 pm

Speaking of the eye ball test, maybe Dixon’s shooting is a little off, and he is getting screened on defense, but…From watching the game, particularly in second half, it seemed to me as if Dixon was the only player on that floor for Pitt that was playing with same level of energy and sense of urgency that seemingly every SH player displayed on both ends of the floor. For what its worth, I also think the Brown should be starting.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.26.10 @ 12:45 pm

I agree with Omar. Our issue at SH was turnovers. Many made in the half court offense due to lazy passes and ill advised passes. Easily correctable. Yes, we could play better defense and we had some lapses, but the primary issue was turnovers. I also belive that we would be better if we could give Gibbs 5 more minutes rest so his leag are fresher at the end of the game. if you watch him off the ball he is working really hard at getting open and expending a lot of energy. Let’s win the next 2 and get back on track.

Comment by TmgPanther 01.26.10 @ 1:12 pm

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