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December 5, 2009

The River City Rivalry might actually take on full-fledged meaning after today. Especially when you factor in how good the Cinci basketball team is looking.  That, however, is something for another day. This is about beating the Bearcats today.

Hopefully the open thread will be light because so many people are at the game. Those of you stuck outside of the ‘Burgh can carry the load.

I’ll be tweeting during the game as usual.






The fact that Pitt lost their last two games, which just happened to be the only two good teams they played, and people still aren’t mad, is all you need to know why Pitt never reaches the next level. They don’t reach the next level because too many fans think losing three or four games a season despite having the best talent is good enough. What a shame.

Comment by Mark 12.06.09 @ 2:08 pm

Zeise reports that Pitt is headed to Charlotte. An official announcement is expected within an hour.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.06.09 @ 2:54 pm

Would a team be able to turn down a bowl invite for another? Say PITT doesn’t like the fact that it would basically be a UNC home game and would rather play South Carolina in the Papa Johns

Comment by Foursnow 12.06.09 @ 3:05 pm

I know Charlotte is a better city than Birmingham, but I would have preferred the jan 2nd date to Dec 26th date. Weather is about the same in both places. Also, I don’t like playing NC in NC. We already played NCS this year and one NC team is enough for me.

Comment by TMGPanther 12.06.09 @ 3:14 pm

TMGPanther, I agree. Not only would it be a largely UNC crowd because of the stadium location, the fact that its the day after Christmas more UNC fans can take a gameday morning drive an hour or two to the game rather than PITT fans either having to travel a long distance that same day or cutting into Christmas day

Comment by Foursnow 12.06.09 @ 3:17 pm

#17 University of Pittsburgh Accepts Bid to 2009 Meineke Car Care Bowl
Will Face ACC Team on Dec. 26 in Charlotte

Comment by Bossdaws 12.06.09 @ 3:52 pm

Yep, I’ll have to start working on the wife for a gameday 7+ hour drive. Family considerations mean that there is no way we can leave on Christmas Day.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.06.09 @ 3:54 pm

December 26th is the primary reason why many fans wouldn’t/couldn’t even consider traveling for the game. There are a lot of fans who are too old to pile into a car at the last minute for a road trip and leave the insanity of a family Christmas behind (although sometimes I’d like to…). I don’t travel to games anymore for reasons stated earlier in the post, but I have good friends who travel every chance they get. Each of them lamented the possibility of the December 26th game because none of them can cut it that close to Xmas. It’s only 4-5 guys, but there are probably hundreds more in the same boat. They’d likely make the sacrifice for big game, but not for the Car Care bowl. Shame they couldn’t have found a better date/time for that game.

From a big picture perspective, I don’t know that Pitt will ever travel well. At the very least, it would require a run of great years and a return to national prominence. The fan base here is so diluted with the Steelers and Penguins fanatics that its hard to convince people there is an alternative unless the team is near the top. They want a consistent winner and if they can’t get it with Pitt football, they’ll find it somewhere else. Pitt basketball has been a beneficiary of this mentality lately.

There’s a lot of apathy in the fan base, too. Granted, I’m one of them, but for reasons stemming more from frustration and bitterness than anything else – I just had to get away from it. I would offer that much of the apathy stems from the fact that Pitt is (like most city campuses) a commuter school. There are a LOT of students that attend Pitt that leave campus as soon as their last class is over. They don’t take part in anything extra-curricular and many have never been to a game a Heinz Field. Pitt has just never had that close knit, campus feeling; it’s gotten better over the last ten years, but I’m not sure it will ever be able to compete with the smaller, campus-centric schools in terms of game attendance.

Lastly, there’s not a ton of money in Pittsburgh. Sure, there’s some wealth, but the upper-middle class is smaller here than schools near other, larger/growing/trendy places. It’s still a working-class town mentality, and its hard to get people here to travel to visit family, let alone for a college football game. Steelers fans are the obvious exception to this, but beyond that, people don’t even like to cross rivers around town for a night out.

Sucks, but that’s the way it is. If Pitt would have won the last two games, I might have been tempted myself to head to New Orleans or Miami, because I would have had them time and could have made the schedule work. Both cities are a blast, win or loose. The Car Care bowl is logistically impossible.

Comment by Figures... 12.06.09 @ 4:10 pm

We would have a lot of Steeler fans if we were going to a good bowl.

Comment by alcofan 12.06.09 @ 4:14 pm

After today, fans exclusive to the Steelers might want to switch over.

Comment by pittjd 12.06.09 @ 4:23 pm

The lack of fan support for the program is pathetic. Everyone (including myself) is complaining about the loss, the crap bowl, the day of the bowl, etc. Until the team wins on the field no one nationally will respect the program. Being in a weak conference is no help. Are any BE teams any better off then Boise State or TCU? I would argue no. cincy is not playing for a title, neither would Pitt if they were undefeated.

Bottom line is that 10 teams play for the national title every year – and ANY BE team will NOT be among them unless all 10 of them falter and the BE team goes undefeated. By evaluating success by national championship is unrealistic.

Did Pitt make money this season overall from football? That is what the Golden Panthers and the Administration are looking at. If so, the program is successful. That is what college football for 100+ programs in division 1 are all about anymore.

Comment by greg 12.06.09 @ 6:13 pm

Ok I am somewhat over my frustration from yesterday. Going to get my Panther-Heels tickets!

Comment by BCE 12.06.09 @ 6:28 pm

“The fact that Pitt lost their last two games, which just happened to be the only two good teams they played, and people still aren’t mad, is all you need to know why Pitt never reaches the next level. They don’t reach the next level because too many fans think losing three or four games a season despite having the best talent is good enough. What a shame.”

Having the best talent? Are you serious. Pitt obviously has some great skill position players but did you watch the secondary all season? And Pitt wasn’t even in the top 25 going into the regular season.

Pitt lost to a below average NC state team. The losses to Cincy and WVU sting and are both games that could have been won, but you still can’t complain about ending up 17th in the country after the regular season.

Comment by AB 12.06.09 @ 7:21 pm

I believe there are 34 college bowl games, so sixty-eight of the one-hundred twenty FBS teams get to play in some “bowl game”. There are only a handful of bowl games that actually matter, and Pitt squandered a 21 point lead, at home, to miss-out on one of those, so I can’t see traveling to a meaningless post-season exhibition game against an unranked, 8-4 ACC team. At this point, I don’t even envision watching it on television. On the other hand, if Pitt wins, it will mean more great recruits and a certain inside-track on next year’s national championship game! Woohoo! It’s nice to be so much better off than when Walt Harris was Pitt’s head coach.

Comment by Forbes Avenue 12.06.09 @ 7:27 pm

It’s also hard to complain considering our initial expectations for the year with concerns about the RB spot and Stull. Gotta say I’m also looking forward to another year with Lewis and Baldwin.

Comment by pittjd 12.06.09 @ 7:31 pm

these DEFINITELY will sell out FAST…
go grab ’em gentlemen.

link to shoppittpanthers.com

Comment by BradPitt 12.06.09 @ 7:53 pm

I just booked my room in Charlotte and will be ordering my tickets tomorrow afternoon.

Comment by Bryan 12.06.09 @ 8:05 pm

Uconn beats Harvard by only 6. I guess we aren’t doomed in the Big East.

Comment by alcofan 12.06.09 @ 8:20 pm

ForbesAvenue. Please stay home. Please don’t watch on tv. I only want true Pitt fans coming to Charlotte where we will have a good time. My son is a diehard UNC fan so its going to be fin for me. To other Pitt fans we will enjoy seeing u here in Charlotte.

Comment by BCE 12.06.09 @ 9:36 pm

Yes, a day after Christmas is a tough time to get away to a bowl game. But this shapes up to be a heck of a game. I give an edge to us because we have more playmakers on offense than UNC has. It will be fun to watch our offensive line against a strong, veteran UNC defensive front. I look forward to Lewis hanging 100+ yards on these guys.

I will be there rooting on the Panthers. It will be fun to shut up all of the Tarhole fans(and The local newspaper here).
Iam excited about the future and proud to be a Pitt Fan and Alum.

Comment by JW in Raleigh 12.06.09 @ 10:21 pm

Let’s see Pitt win 10!

Might go to Charlotte–definitely wouldn’t go to Alabama.

Comment by Silv 12.06.09 @ 11:20 pm

Everyone, we lost yesterday. It’s over.

Mark, I was mad, but I’m not going to remain mad and be a jerk about it forever because, at the end of the day, it’s a game and being a fan of it is fun.

We’re in the Car Care Bowl. Yes, it’s not the Sugar Bowl we’d hoped for. But I don’t care what any of you say, it’s better than the effing Papa John’s Bowl.

What happened the last two weeks is behind us now, nothing we can do about it.

Let’s make the most of what we have, and root our boys on as they try to get a 10 win season. There’s a lot of teams that would love to be playing for a 10th win right now, and I’m gonna have fun cheering for the Pitt Panthers in their attempt to do so.

If you want to keep bitching and bemoaning the state of the program over stuff that’s over, that’s fine I guess. I’m for one am going to enjoy our last game as fans with this group and leave it at that.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.06.09 @ 11:41 pm

From what I saw post-game, our fans showed a lot of class while Bearcat fans were celebrating.

Maybe that’s why RU didn’t get the Charlotte Bowl…their fans are utterly classless and boorish.

Buck up, all…Hail to Pitt!

PS. I thought Jarred Holley played a heck of a game. He had to be so many places at one time he couldn’t be at all places at one time. And his absence on special teams hurt the special teams coverage. Let’s not forget he’s a redshirt freshman and will be anchoring the defensive backfield for 3 more years.

Comment by steve 12.07.09 @ 7:41 am

Back in 1981 I threw a chair through a wall during Pitt’s total collapse against Penn State in a 14-48 lost after Pitt being up 14-0. Pitt was undefeated up till then! Last game of the season! National Championship implications! Lost to PENN STATE!!! Just kill me now. I’m much more reflective and mild mannered now. Know what, sun came up again the next day after that loss. Listen, if all you heartbroken Pitt fans WERE NOT Pitt fans and just watched this game casually on TV (since it was the warm up game to the SEC Championship, a REAL championship game), you know what you would of thought about the Pitt-Cinny game at the end? “Best damn college football game I ever watched” that’s what. Yea Pitt lost. Man that hurts! But you know what, Pike and the Bearcats did to us what an undefeated championship team does, it wins! Get over it. This was a fantastic game! A classic. This Pitt team saw up close and personal how you win a championship. Now it will be up to the leaders of next year’s squad to figure out how to use that emotional baggage to inspire the team in the future. You know, there was not one mention of playing for the “River City Rivalry” trophy during the game. Why, because up to this point there has been no “rivalry” with Cinny. That might change a little bit starting next year. That’s what games like this create. This year’s Pitt team was an unknown just 4 months ago. We had no proven running back, the QB situation was a mystery, nobody predicted better than a 9-3 season, but then we were predicted to compete for the Big East title anyhow in a “weak conference”. Well, it kinda worked out that way with some BIG surprizes along the way. One surprize was kicking the sh*t out of the Bearcats for an entire 1st half to get us in the position to lose a 21 point lead in the last minute of the game in the first place! Who predicted that pregame? All I know is that the “Big Least” is not the weakest conference around and plays some exciting football games. Anybody remember the UCONN comeback. How about the whipping we put on USF? And the Refs overturning Clausen’s incomplete pass to a fumble on review to keep us from having that SOB from pulling victory out from the jaws of defeat again was a change for once. This has been a really fun season to watch Pitt football. Come on it’s only a game. A soap opera for guys, drama, emotional ups and downs, yea and HEARTACHE. Where the hell was the secondary on that TD to Binns??? Now we get to watch the next episode, although anticlimatic. Hopefully Pitt taking their frustration out on UNC in a lopsided win to end a disappointing season that could have been. I’ll be there cheering them on because I’m a Pitt alumni and fan. Always have been, always will be. Bleed blue and Gold, lost a lot of blood over the weekend but still here. Beat UNC, Hail to PITT.

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