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December 4, 2009

I’m sure there has been lots of arguing, angsting and general discontent between bowls, schools and conferences. But it sure seems that this yar it is a lot more public.

The Big 12 is trying to help Mizzou which has finished 8-4. Apparently the Tigers don’t have the best reputation for traveling in the conference (gee, that seems familiar). So that means the Tigers appear poised to fall to the Texas Bowl and being skipped by the Independence and Insight Bowls for 6-6 Texas A&M and Iowa State.

“This isn’t over,” Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe said Wednesday afternoon in a telephone interview with The Kansas City Star.

“I know (Missouri athletic director) Mike Alden and the Missouri folks have made a tremendous case to all the bowls they might be selected to,” Beebe said. “I don’t know that Missouri could do a better job than they are doing.”

And, Beebe added, he shares the concern of MU officials that the Tigers might be passed over for the Insight Bowl bid by a 6-6 Iowa State team.

“I am concerned about a bowl that would select a team that has two less wins and was beaten by that team head to head.”

Unfortunately, that is just the scenario Missouri officials have come to fear.

Of course, that is nothing compared to the boiled over frustration between the Gator Bowl and the ACC. We all know that this is the last year for the Gator Bowl and the Big East and ACC. The Gator has been stymied in multiple years at landing Notre Dame. Now they want FSU for Bowden’s last game. This in no small part because FSU went around the ACC offices and contacted the Gator directly about it. The ACC would rather send FSU to Orlando for the Champs Bowl.

Here’s where it gets problematic. Like most conferences the ACC has the pecking order where bowls can’t take a team that is more than 2 wins better than a higher team in the conference records. The Gator gets 3d pick. The Orange Bowl obviously takes the winner of the ACC Championship. The Chik-Fil-A picks next and likely will take Virginia Tech (6-2). So, for the Gator to take FSU (4-4), it would appear that they need GT (7-1) to beat Clemson (6-2) to be able to snag FSU. Otherwise GT would have to be taken.

Except that the Gator Bowl claims they have a different contract that allows them more flexibility to skip taking the loser of the ACC Championship. And since the Gator doesn’t have to play nice any longer they are threatening legal action.

“We have sat back so many times and taken it from the ACC,” [Gator Bowl executive director Rick] Catlett said, ” To have [ACC Commissioner John Swofford] trying to go around a contract is unacceptable.”

Of course, Swofford has to answer to the rest of the ACC and considering how many times he’s bent over in so many positions to take it from FSU for football, the rest of the members are probably not going to let him waive the rules to accommodate the Bowden farewell (and give FSU more money and exposure) at other members’ expenses.

Not sure who I want to fail more. The ACC of course, raided the Big East in no small part to benefit FSU. The ACC commish is a duplicitous dick so seeing him and his schools screwed once more would be nice.

On the other hand, the Gator Bowl people suck. They have acted like being associated with the Big East is a chore from the beginning, and made no secret that they would have screwed the conference this year to take a 7-5 ND team — if the Irish had won 1 of their final 2 games. They seem determined to take WVU regardless of tomorrow’s games. And Pitt could very well end up going to Birmingham.

Add in the sense of entitlement from FSU and Bowden, and it almost tips things in favor of the ACC.

I don’t know. I guess I’m hoping that it ends up in a lawsuit and costs both some extra money, time, and bad publicity.





The bowl system should be scrapped altogether in favor of a 16-team, four-week playoff. The current situation is a free-for all cash-grab with no hierarchical rhyme or reason.
On a related note, if you want to see some funny stuff, check out @INSIDEtheBCS on Twitter. The brain-child of former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer’s PR firm is taking a brutal beating from the Twitter community. It’s comical to see them stoically soldier on in the face of reason. Most misguided use of Twitter I’ve seen. Reminds me of Timothy Treadwill, the bear activist, who was mauled to death by the very beasts with which he was trying to connect.

link to twitter.com
link to twitter.com

Comment by Dave in Orlando 12.04.09 @ 12:15 pm

link to weather.com

Cold, but thankfully not a lot of wind…

Comment by Pauly P 12.04.09 @ 12:42 pm

i was wishing it would be very windy and cold. it would not be fun for us to sit there, but the would crush cincy’s passing attack…Dion can still run the ball and we could have used that to our advantage.

Comment by mike 12.04.09 @ 1:12 pm

I’m a recent transplant from Pittsburgh living in Jacksonville. Would have LOVED to see the Panthers come to the Gator Bowl if they don’t beat Cinnci. Yet another reason to be frustrated by that loss to WVU. Ugh!

Comment by mutley 12.04.09 @ 1:52 pm

Sugar Bowl or Bust for Pitt. I’m very excited for this weekend, Pitt has the chance to bury all the bad feelings from getting derailed by WVU last week while really putting itself back on the football map again. Its time for the Panthers to play inspired football and win the biggest game for the University in the last 3 decades. LETS GO PITT!!

Comment by Dr Tom 12.04.09 @ 1:55 pm

Can I just ask if anybody outside of 200 miles of Birmingham would go to the PapaJohns.com bowl? Honestly, I’m a huge Pitt fan and I’ve had season tickets since 1999, but I have no desire to go to Alabama. If we’re going to fall that far if we lose, why not go to the International Bowl, where at least it’s easy for the bulk of our fanbase to get to.

But we probably shouldn’t dwell on that. Sugar or Orange Bowl here we come! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Russ 93 12.04.09 @ 2:05 pm

It’s sounding more and more like Pitt would not have gone to the Gator Bowl over WVU even if we had won last week. They want WVU; they don’t really care about pissing off the Big East since the relationship ends after this year.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 2:33 pm

mutley,

Given the recent goings on with FSU, and their wish to play WVU in the Gator Bowl, plus the Gator Bowl’s willingness to pass over teams that were actually GOOD (and get into a legal mess) to put FSU into their bowl game this year, I don’t think it would’ve made a difference if we beat WVU.

Look, you can argue about nostalgia for Bowden, or that a 6-6 team should NOT be playing on New Year’s day (I agree btw), but here’s where things get REALLY shady from a purely ethical standpoint.

Not only does FSU stand to get what they feel is a proper sendoff for Bowden by being in the Gator Bowl (almost can’t blame them), but the payoff for the Gator Bowl is substantially larger than for the other bowls.

So is it about a little bit more than just sending Bowden off proper?

I think there should be an agreement that if FSU goes, VERY undeservedly, to the Gator Bowl, that they should have to give a large cut of that money to one or more of the ACC schools that actually deserved to be there.

It’s the only semi-solution to this shady situation.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.04.09 @ 2:41 pm

It’s really gotten to the point with the bowls that if a team doesn’t go the a BCS bowl does it really matter what other bowl they end up at? They all seem to be the same anymore..none better or worse than any other (with exception to the bowl in Boise.)

Does anyone know how the Big East splits up it’s bowl money…I heard at one time it was split evenly but is that really true? How much of a hit does the AD department take if Pitt misses out on the BCS game and say ends up in Toronto..though my guess would be right now it is either Sugar or Birmingham…which from a travel standpoint is good …Jan 1st or 2nd…most people are already off those days….The NC bowl is day after Xmas..who wants to be a bowl on Xmas day or get up the day after Xmas to travel.

Comment by milo bloom 12.04.09 @ 3:36 pm

I believe the Big East divides up the BCS money on a prorated basis with BE champion receiving the largest share and so on down the line.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.04.09 @ 4:36 pm

Hbg – do you know if the proration is based on order of finish, or actual bowl game attended? Just curious since I don’t know the answer.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 4:49 pm

Surprisingly low energy considering it’s the night before the biggest game Pitt has played in for quite some time… I hope our guys come out with a little more fire/enthusiasm than there seems to be in the media about tomorrow.

Comment by Greg in New Orleans 12.04.09 @ 5:07 pm

The BE does divy up ist bowl earning but don’t know the formula.

Bowl bids to the undeserved is not a recent or BCS phenomenom. Heck, pitt was was robbed of a probable national title in 1980 when the Sugar Bowl gave the bid to a lower rated Notre Dame to play No. 1 Georgia. Speaking of ND, I remember 3 times this decade when they were embarrassed in bowl games that they did not deserve to be in.

Comment by wbb 12.04.09 @ 6:48 pm

Just got to the Pete and it looks like Jermaine Dixon is in uniform. I wouldn’t expect him to play but it is a good sign of progress.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 7:07 pm

According to my computer, this game is a total embarrassment for Pitt.

Comment by BigGuy 12.04.09 @ 7:20 pm

Not much to report. Neither team can score.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 7:26 pm

My computer is not much better. 7 – 6 UHN with 7:52 left in the half

Comment by wbb 12.04.09 @ 7:27 pm

It’s ugly. Pitt is on a run, though. Up 9-7. Wow…

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 7:35 pm

They are making an effort to get it inside. Unfortunately McGhee has fumbled at least 3 out of bounds.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 7:41 pm

cinci fans are very optimistic…. I like it though. If I remember correctly west virginia was in the same position not too long ago….then we shocked them with a big win….costing them not only a national championship bid but also their coach…either way, I’d really like nothing more for Pitt to do than just play their game and get this program back to an elite status

Comment by MoE 12.04.09 @ 7:48 pm

15-7 at the half. WTF

Comment by alcofan 12.04.09 @ 7:50 pm

Only good news at the Pete-Jermaine Dixon is in uniform and in the layup line. Not playing but must be getting close.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.04.09 @ 7:55 pm

Well, thank goodness that this is Jamie Dixon’s best recruiting class – ever. Picture what the score would be if this class was not so special.

Comment by BigGuy 12.04.09 @ 8:01 pm

47-32 Pitt. Maybe the score tomorrow.

Comment by alcofan 12.04.09 @ 8:44 pm

Gibbs 23 Wannamaker 19 accounting for 42 of 47 points .. only other FG made by D Taylor

UNH shot 12 for 51 from field … hope that we are just playing down to the competition

Comment by wbb 12.04.09 @ 9:32 pm

15-7 half time score. Set a record for fewest pts scored in half since shot clock.

Comment by alcofan 12.04.09 @ 9:42 pm

Pitt recruit,Khaynin Mosley-Smith carried off field,in first half. Woody High looses to State College.

Comment by alcofan 12.04.09 @ 9:47 pm

Ok, so we have problems on offense.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.04.09 @ 9:48 pm

didn’t artest tell the kids to wait until at least halftime to drink the hennessey?

i always look at the box score before i read the recap, and that box score blew my mind. i thought it must not have been updated since the half or something…

Comment by Greg in New Orleans 12.04.09 @ 10:11 pm

Here’s an idea.

Tell FSU to invite WVU down to Doak Campbell on January 1st to play their Bowden Bowl and let someone deserving get the Gator payout.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.04.09 @ 11:15 pm

I am up early and ready to go. I know we have been down this road many times, but this is the biggest one in years. Here’s to Wanny and the boys reaching another level. How about some smashmouth football! Let’s manhandle somebody!

Comment by gc 12.05.09 @ 7:17 am

Win one for Foge.

Comment by gc 12.05.09 @ 7:19 am

Go Pitt…No doubt today’s halftime score will be greater than last nights…That was something to watch last night…I’ve never seen a team (New Hampshire) have so many air balls as they did last night. Not much to take away from that game except the ‘W’.

Comment by milo bloom 12.05.09 @ 8:16 am

Go Pitt! Let’s flex our muscle!!!

Comment by MoE 12.05.09 @ 11:26 am

ughhh looks like the Meineke bowl awaits December 26th…..we are sure to get stomped in that one since none of the players want to be there.

Comment by Coach Ditka 12.06.09 @ 6:19 pm

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