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November 11, 2009

I thought I had mentioned this at least in passing sometime during the week, or maybe it was just in some e-mail to friends. From a storyline perspective, the oversaturation would be on the issues of the coaches. Whether it was things coming “full circle” with them meeting once more at Heinz Field at night in a prime time game — where both made their debuts as the head coaches at the respective alma maters. The other, which crystallized after the ND loss to Navy, are the programs/coaches heading in opposite directions.

Let’s start with the “full circle” stories. They are in Pittsburgh papers.

Back then, Weis was the hot-shot former NFL assistant poised to return his alma mater to national prominence, while Wannstedt was on his way to going 16-19 in his first three years at Pitt.

“We found out real quick that we had work to do,” Wannstedt said. “We were probably just a little bit ahead of ourselves.”

Both coaches have similar records at their respective schools (Weis 35-24, Wannstedt 33-24), but Weis, coming off a 23-21 loss to Navy, is under fire. Wannstedt is a candidate for numerous national coach of the year awards.

And in South Bend.

When Weis was asked to connect the dots Tuesday back to ND’s 42-21 thrashing of a 23rd-ranked Pitt teams four and a half seasons ago, he politely balked.

“I’m so predictable,” said Weis, 3-11 against the Top 25 since that debut game, including seven straight losses against ranked teams. “You already know what my answer is going to be when you ask that question. But I’m really only worrying about beating Pitt. And I’ll never change.”

Then there is national like Bruce Feldman at ESPN.com.

The Fighting Irish rolled 42-21 as the Weis bandwagon filled up fast. Wannstedt, meanwhile, has struggled to sustain any real momentum almost ever since. But now the Panthers, despite not having beaten any top-20 teams, have climbed to No. 8 in the Associated Press poll, which is the school’s highest November ranking since 1982. A BCS bowl is possible; the Panthers rank 12th in the BCS standings. They are off to their best start (8-1) since that ’82 season, when Dan Marino was their quarterback. Maybe Weis, the now-embattled Irish coach, can salvage some of his reputation that has taken so many hits after last week’s home loss to Navy. Before the season, this matchup didn’t appear to carry such juice for Weis, but now, perhaps it’s a different story.

Feldman’s bit, well, it’s not the most complimentary of Pitt’s season.

Still, Saturday’s game is almost as big for Wannstedt. If the Panthers lose the game, it’ll be just another clunker from a program that few people seem prepared to buy in on. It has inched its way up the rankings much as a non-automatic qualifying school would, as much through the attrition of everyone else as its own success. It feels as though the Panthers are up there by default: “Well, who else will we have in the top 15, three-loss Virginia Tech? Four-loss Oklahoma?!?”

To their credit, the Panthers have been outstanding on defense this season. They lead the nation in sacks (38), and given Notre Dame’s struggles to protect Jimmy Clausen, that’ll be a key matchup.

The next day, Feldman includes Coach Wannstedt in his top-10 list for Coach of the Year. So he does recognize that the coach and team are accomplishing something.

I’m not going to argue about the fact that Pitt’s rise to top-10 this year has as much to do with the volume of teams failing. Considering Pitt started the season unranked, it is the only way it happens. It is still an achievement.

I mean, god help me, I’m turning to Bob Smizik for the counterpoint on the argument of “who has Pitt beaten?”

This is not so much a knock on Cincinnati, Pitt or the Big East. We said the same thing about Penn State the other day and it applies to many, if not most, ranked programs. It’s the shame of college football. Teams, for the most play, play a ridiculously soft non-conference schedule and then amongst themselves. Who knows how good most of them are?

Consider #2 Texas. The Longhorns have only beaten one team that is currently ranked in the top-25 in Oklahoma State. Of course, since they were a preseason top-5 team, no one disputes their validity.

I must admit some mild surprise that despite Pitt manhandling Navy. Navy beating ND, being bowl eligible, and nearly upsetting Ohio State in Columbus, there is little credit by the punditry for Pitt. Vegas, however, seems to believe a little stronger.

Then there are the “opposite direction” themes. The concurrent theme seems to be patience and lack of it.

Wannstedt took over a Pittsburgh team that had 18 returning starters from a Fiesta Bowl appearance. Weis inherited a Notre Dame team that had gone 6-6, leading to the ouster of Tyrone Willingham.

The first meeting between the two was no contest, as the Irish rolled to a 35-13 halftime lead and eventual 42-21 win at Heinz Field. Weis lived up to his reputation as an offensive mastermind, while Wannstedt looked lost. Weis would go on to make BCS bowl appearances his first two seasons; Wannstedt failed to record a winning record or reach a bowl in his first three seasons as fans grew restless.

Now fast forward to today. Wannstedt’s Panthers are 8-1, ranked 12th in the BCS standings and in the Top 10 of the human polls for the first time in November since 1982. Pitt has won 18 of its last 23 games and is closing in on a potential Big East title.

Weis’s Irish, meanwhile, are unranked and unloved after last week’s loss to Navy, the second time in three years they fell to the service academy at home. Since 2007, Weis is just 16-18, and he could well be out of a job by the end of the month.

It took Wannstedt a lot longer to establish his program, but his steady climb has put the Panthers in great position going forward. Wannstedt — who, unlike Weis had head coaching experience in the NFL with Chicago and Miami — did not look for quick fixes when he arrived at Pitt.

“We took it a little bit slower than the majority of head coaches that take over a program,” Wannstedt said. “We gradually made the changes that we felt we needed to make. I think the worst thing that you can do is make bad decisions. We have a lot of kids right now that four years ago it would have been really easy to give up on, or not give an opportunity to change, and we did.”

Or perhaps when contracts and extensions were made.

With a third consecutive non-winning season weighing on him like a backpack full of anvils, Dave Wannstedt marched into a 2007 meeting regarding his future as Pittsburgh’s head coach with chancellor Mark Nordenberg.

Angst reigned. The ex-Bears coach inherited a Fiesta Bowl team and directed mediocre seasons while restocking the talent. Then, contrary to every axiom of college football, patience won out: Wannstedt pocketed an extension and immediately produced a return on investment.

“(Nordenberg) basically came out and said he’s the coach and that’s the end of it,” Wannstedt said this week. “Two days later, West Virginia was (No. 2)in the nation and we upset them, and we’ve had an unbelievable run since.”

I won’t pretend I ever believed the extension to Wannstedt was a anything close to sane when it happened — or even the following year. That said, I don’t mind being incorrect on this one.

Weis, by contrast was given a ridiculous extension 7 games into his tenure. Mainly in response to hyped rumors (that Weis’ agent wisely helped push) that NFL teams were sniffing around for Weis. And now, despite a long, long contract, Weis is forced to pretend he is oblivious to all but the Pitt game.

The rest of the week, these meme’s will just get a link and little else (unless they somehow manage to have some sort of different perspective or really good quote.





If you’ll be @ Heinz Field Saturday night, go to this site and print some of these bad boys up and take them with you:

link to thefightingwannstaches.com

(Watch the video on the page if you’re confused.)

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 11.11.09 @ 11:15 pm

Let’s be honest. It’s unknown just how good Pitt is because they have beaten up on bad teams and mediocre teams. They even lost to the only major conference team they played outside of the Big East. And a poor one at that. Nobody can deny that.

Comment by Mark 11.12.09 @ 12:02 am

We’ll find out how good Pitt really is soon. This could turn out to be a very special season for Pitt, or an end of season train wreck. Injuries could be a key, we’ve been lucky on that front up to this point. Keeping the team’s focus on the task at hand has been a priority for the coaching staff and up to this point they have been successful. This ND game is the key game of the season. If Pitt wins this one the entire nation will know that Pitt is a contender not a pretender. I think this team already has confidence. But a good ND win will spark that confidence to the heights needed to take it to the house all the way through our bowl game. Lets keep our fingers crossed that we can limit Clausen’s production through the air on Saturday. I think that will be the key to victory in an offensive battle. We’ll see.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.12.09 @ 7:49 am

1) a little off topic and lost in the excitement … I just read that Nate Byham has alreday been selected for the East-West Shrine game in late January. This is great news that the NFL scout are giving him a close look …for what may well be the unsung hero on this team.

2) back to topic … of the 18 – 5 recent record, 4 of the 5 wins were due to the exploitation of our secondary and, to a large degree, our linebackers. Clausen, Tate and Floyd are arguably the most talented passing combo in the NCAA .. if we can’t pressure Clausen, it could be a long night. Note that ND didn’t punt at all vs Navy, but just kept failing to score.

Having said all of this, I do believe Pitt to be the better ‘team’ but sometimes talent, when completely focused, can do a lot of damage.

Comment by wbb 11.12.09 @ 8:25 am

Tomorrow it will a full ten years since the end of Pitt Stadium……Nov 13, 1999 ..let’s hope that history repeats itself from that day and not Sept 3, 2005.

Comment by Milo Bloom 11.12.09 @ 8:27 am

My frined Dan says we are going to win-I don’t think so.

Comment by prof halperin 11.12.09 @ 8:59 am

Who has Florida beaten? LSU and that’s it. And LSU hasn’t beaten anyone. This year is such a down year for all of college football. Fla/Ala can’t score but have great D’s. Texas might be the most complete team. We don’t know how good Pitt is. We might not totally know after this week either. If we lose than we suck to the media. If we win then we still don’t really know. I think we are pretty good and I pray for a chance to play a top 3 team in the bowl (even though that will never happen)

Comment by BDuBB 11.12.09 @ 9:12 am

I owe a lot to Beano. He was a factor in steering me into the ministry, rather than pursuing a career as a sportswriter. I remember him as being an aggressive, opinionated Pitt News sports “journalist” while I was new to the paper and covering the Pitt frosh. He zoomed right to the top in his chosen profession and I went into seminary. What is the point of all this? Mr. Cook hasn’t changed. An example:his opinion of Notre Dame is still from the 1950’s. He is REAL OLD SCHOOL. Having said that, he may be correct about the talent level of this year’s “Weiss’ Warriors”. But, that, it would appear to me would motivate Pitt’s overachievers of 2009. The Panther gridders have a lot to prove Saturday. Win or lose, methinks Mr. Cook should join the ranks of us retirees and confine his observations to an occasional blog. George from Columbus

Comment by rev. george mehaffey 11.12.09 @ 9:26 am

Pitt is in the best position it can be – to prove how good they are on the field, not by computer rankings and voting of biased journalists and coaches. They are going to be on national TV the rest of the season in games that strongly impact the bowl season. This is their time to shine. I think they are going to do just that.

Think about it; things are set up perfectly. Momentum vs. pressure in Pitt vs. ND. A week off to prepare for an over-rated WVU team. A QB controversy for Cincinnati. The table is set.

Comment by Greg 11.12.09 @ 9:39 am

Andrew Carnegie said the secret to his success was surrounding himself with good people. DW has found excellent assistants, including Buddy Morris. Credit should be given to DW for having an eye for good assistants and for making changes.
ND always gets its pick of talent. Upsets happen when the underdog coach surprises the favored team’s coach with stuff they haven’t seen on film. Just look at the times Pitt has been upset by some very weak teams in the past few years. Always unexpected wrinkles. Charley Weiss is often surprised. That’s the key to beating them. The Navy game was a perfect example.
The downside to clever scheming is your own team won’t execute as well. Unfortunately, DW said it’s better to forgo something new at this stage of the season. So the ND game comes down to talent. Pitt has better talent than it has had in years. Time will tell if it’s enough.

Comment by 66Goat 11.12.09 @ 10:26 am

Pitt IS winning this game.

Comment by Dan 72 11.12.09 @ 10:34 am

Gents, it’s not going to be even close.

Pitt 31
Notre Shame 14

Comment by Bobby 11.12.09 @ 10:52 am

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